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4 ACO DMT brown resin

ollie66

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Ok so i got some 4 aco dmt, 108mg of it, and its a brown color, sort of resin like.

Like its not liquid at all, and you can sort of bend it and it stays in the same shape.

So obviously its not a white powder, im assuming its ok to still use?

If i was to dissolve this in water, what would be the best way to do this?
 
ive had some like that before. the brown color and consistency means that its degraded, but its still very active. if you dissolve it in water then drink it as soon as possible to prevent further oxidation. otherwise, put it in an airtight container with something to absorb moisture, like silica gel. i dont see why it wouldnt just dissolve in water, but if it turns out you have the freebase, then add a little lemon juice to get it to dissolve, and stir.
 
ive had some like that before. the brown color and consistency means that its degraded, but its still very active. if you dissolve it in water then drink it as soon as possible to prevent further oxidation. otherwise, put it in an airtight container with something to absorb moisture, like silica gel. i dont see why it wouldnt just dissolve in water, but if it turns out you have the freebase, then add a little lemon juice to get it to dissolve, and stir.

How would i know if its freebase or not?

The doses are different depending on whether its fumerate hcl and freebase.
 
Its most likely fumarate. I've had the same consistency before it is very resin like, and with the heat from your fingers it turns more flexible the problem is with furmarate it degrades fairly quickly which will not hurt potency but can very well contain 4-HO-DMT which is psilocin and a illegal substance in most countrys so you have to be careful. Every time I did rersearch with freebase I did not have this problem because it is very stable.

Most freebase forms of 4-AcO-DMT are sandy like and have a lower molecular weight so there a little more potent than Furmarate and fairly cheap and will also help with the risk of customs obtaining your package and find traces of psilocin that can cause legal problems.

I've had 4-AcO-DMT pure fluffy white and it turn into gooey resin like consistancy after a period of time it just happens with oxidation from light/oxygen/heat I tested it, it was still very potent but also contained traces of psilocin so i threw it out, because Psilocin is a controlled substance where I am from. Good luck!
 
I've had 4-AcO-DMT pure fluffy white and it turn into gooey resin like consistancy after a period of time it just happens with oxidation from light/oxygen/heat I tested it, it was still very potent but also contained traces of psilocin so i threw it out, because Psilocin is a controlled substance where I am from. Good luck!

So... You threw out some perfectly good 4-AcO-DMT, because it had degraded into a little 4-HO-DMT? Why? Just because it's a controlled substance doesn't mean anything. Your government isnt going to come breaking down your door to bust you for having a little psilocin. Even if maybe you had it on you and they found I'm sure it would test as a tryptamine analouge, making it somewhat illegal no matter what. And it's not tested for in drug testing, even so 4aco breaks down into 4ho in the body. I just can't possibly see any logical reasoning behind doing that.
 
Ok well i put 108mg in 110ml of purified water, theres nothing in the water now, so im assuming its dissolved enough to measure out?

This was 10 mins ago.
 
Apparently. If no suspension formed or anything like that it sounds fine. Seems like you're all set...
 
Right, 4-substituted tryptamines tend to turn to slimey goo over time, a process enormously catalyzed by the presence of moisture in the air and especially condensed (regular liquid form) water. Although I heard it just doesn't affect potency, however bad it goes. I can imagine it becoming more and more repulsive?

Acetoxies are stronger, most of all in salt form. So having resin indicates improper storage at some point, could have been you or your source before you... just remember to try and prevent that kind of thing from happening - visit our Big & Dandy Storage Thread. (Find all big threads in the Psychedelic Index).
 
I really don't believe that dried mushrooms that contain alkaloids are as stable as those alkaloids in pure form. Because in mushroom tissue there is little exposure to the elements since everything is captured in desiccated organic material.
 
Every time I did rersearch with freebase I did not have this problem because it is very stable.

Just to prevent misinformation, the freebase is the least stable and more readily oxidizes than the salt forms. Of the salt forms, the fumarate is the most stable, but also the least potent by weight.
 
Sounds like what happened with my HCl 4-aco-dmt after leaving it out for a few weeks. Still potent for sure, although the trip itself seems to have changed...
 
Same here, i agree that the effects changed from the first time i used it, its harder to weight since it is not powder anymore but it still works well, i'm taking it once every week at 0,15 mg/kg and it's enough for a +2.
I'm pretty sure that with 20-25 mg of this i would be on a good +3.
 
I have my 4-AcO-DMT in a water solution too, and I threw in about 1.25 grams of absorbic acid (Vit C) to prevent oxidation. Perhaps you'd like to try that too, although be warned changing pH might just make it degrade more quickly.
 
Well mine is in the freezer in a thermos.

I took 15mg, and didnt really feel much, basically coherent throughout.

Didnt have any body load though, which is nice because 25-i was terrible for that.

Of the things i have taken:

Taken 650mg of dph a few times, never felt or saw anything, so i gave up on that.
Took 750 of dxm, again felt nothing or saw anything, not even robo walk.
Took 2c-i a bunch of times, some ok visuals, never really felt any euphoria.
Took 25-i about 5 times, up to 2mg, again pretty weak visuals and never felt any euphoria.

It looks like a trend to me, that apparently i need abnormally high doses of anything to get the intended effect.

Anyone else like this? Because i'm not sure what dose of 4 aco dmt i'm going to have to take to get a good trip going.

The good thing about it is i dont get any bodyload, which 25i was very weak, but the bodyload got consistently worse as the dose went up.
 
I took about 20mgs and tripped pretty hard. Remember the dosage curve is pretty steep, so you may wanna try something like 17 or 17.5 mgs.
 
I took about 20mgs and tripped pretty hard. Remember the dosage curve is pretty steep, so you may wanna try something like 17 or 17.5 mgs.

Yeah i wanted to take a lowside dose at first.

Just not sure how much the gap is between 15 and 20.
 
It's a pretty big gap. Most people say to increment each dose by 2mgs, although that could be a bit on the overcautious side.
 
So... You threw out some perfectly good 4-AcO-DMT, because it had degraded into a little 4-HO-DMT? Why? Just because it's a controlled substance doesn't mean anything. Your government isnt going to come breaking down your door to bust you for having a little psilocin. Even if maybe you had it on you and they found I'm sure it would test as a tryptamine analouge, making it somewhat illegal no matter what. And it's not tested for in drug testing, even so 4aco breaks down into 4ho in the body. I just can't possibly see any logical reasoning behind doing that.

I'd rather not risk it.. I follow all federal laws and regulations in my country, Better safe than sorry right? At the time I had a very good supplier and that was a small sample to begin with anyways.

Just to prevent misinformation, the freebase is the least stable and more readily oxidizes than the salt forms. Of the salt forms, the fumarate is the most stable, but also the least potent by weight.

Thank you for correcting me I made a mistake I was heavily medicated when I replied to this post ;) I got them mixed up at the time.
 
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Ok so first time i took 15mg, about 5 days ago, didnt get much effect.

Had some visuals, but not much beyond that and i was basically fine mental wise.

Now yesterday at 5am i took 20mg, thinking it would be about the same experience, just a little stronger. However what happened totally took me by surprise. Long story short i basically spent 5 hours in the bathroom on the floor totally tripped out and confused to what was going on. Like i had zero memory of anything, of how i got in there and where i was. I ended up knocking the shower curtain down and spent hours looking at it in amazement like there was no way it could have actually happened.

Everything felt totally unreal, my memory only existed in the moment and was gone the next second. At times i felt like i couldnt control myself, like someone else was controlling me. A few times i got panicked at the thought that the unexplainable mental feelings i was having would never end and i couldnt get out of the bathroom. I remember i had towels wrapped around my neck, wet from water, yet have no memory of doing it. I was sweating like crazy, and my hands were shaking nonstop. I would go from feelings of panic, to feelings of this was great, saying i loved this drug.

Every time i looked at anything, it was like the first time i had ever seen it, totally confused how things were knocked down and why i was on the floor. I remember asking questions over and over like what is going on and i dont understand. I felt like i was doing the same things over and over again, the feeling of seeing something for the first time. There was also a few times i got excited and outside the room from whatever i was thinking at the time. But the majority of the time i was on the floor, thinking to myself if i dont get this shower curtain back up, i cant get out of here. And I never did manage to get it back up until 5 hours later when my sanity came back to me. A lot of time i have no memory of at all, almost like i blacked out during it.

So obviously this was so beyond what 15mg did, despite being only 5mg above, that i had no possible way of expecting something like this would happen. All the times I have taken 2c-i and 25-i, and really had no effects whatsoever, even at a 2mg of 25i. This on the other hand was so unreal, like its the first time i can say i have had a real mind trip. Though when i look back on it, im not really sure if it was a good trip or a bad one, as the panic feelings i had a few times, felt terrible, like this was never going to end, and if those had escalated, things could have ended up badly.

To note, about 6 hours prior to taking this, i had 1g of L-Arginine, 1.25g of Magnesium, and 1mg of adderall. Whether those could have made this trip so crazy, i dont know.
 
Sounds kind of odd every dose I've noticed has been a super gentle and forgiving chemical for every horrible feeling / bad trip 4-AcO-DMT gives you in the end you wont regret it because it will eventually level itself out. I have plenty of bad trips on 4-AcO-DMT and don't regret any of the experiments because the afterglow is just as amazing in the after-trip.
 
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