First time cycle, need help to evaluate my product choice

[Gerardo]

Hii, i see a lot of knowledge and expirience in this forum. So i ask for your help before i beggin

I Am 40, lifelong Marathoner and Triathlete. I want to stop and do only weight lifting for the next 4 months to gain volume.

The trainer at the Gym suggested: 5 week cycle.
Product
Sustanon 250mg Alpha Pharma 4ml. 1 a week
Anadrol 50mg Blister Landerlan 20 tab every day
Nolvadex 20mg Medline Pharma 30 tab Half tablet every day

What do you think? I Am Looking for 5-10 kgs of muscle as Target
Thanks!

 

[ephrem]

Dear Gerardo,

Sustanon has 4 different esters that release hormones over a differerent timespan. This means that 5 weeks is too short for the longer esters in Sustanon to do its magic.

So that's not good.

Anadrol is a harsh compound for a first time user, and for 5 weeks places a lot of stress on your liver. I don't see any supplements or ancillaries to protect your liver in that list, so that's not good.

Nolvadex is commonly used in case of gyno during a cycle or as part of your PCT. I don't see you mentioning anything resembling a PCT, so that's not good either.

You have a lot more research to do before you should start any kind of steroid cycle.

One other thing: by not training for a marathon or triathlon, by eating a ton of food, by sticking to a properly designed hypertrophy lifting schedule, plenty of rest and even more food you can add kilos of muscle without steroids.

It just takes a little longer, that's all. But you cut out all the risks involved with uneducated steroid-use.

Good luck!

 

[Gerardo]

Thanks a lot for the input.
But i do have a PCT plan, Clomid, 1 a day for 3 weeks.
So taking Nolvadex 1 a day during cycle as prevention is note recomended? It should then be part of the PCT plan?

What would you suggest to protect the Liver in this 5 weeks.

If my cycle does work out, i might stick to, and do more cycles.
I have done lifting for several years, so i am shaped, but due to all the running and swimming and biking i lack volume

 

[ephrem]

I'm sorry Gerardo, all you could possibly learn about proper steroid use can be found by using Google.

Do that first.

Then, when you designed your own cycle and PCT geared towards what you want to achieve, submit that cycle to critique.

Again, good luck.

 

[Voxide]

Lol at anadrol. I'd love to meet the fuckstain who recommended this to you.


Anyway it just sounds like you want to be spoonfed without doing any real research on your own.

 

[Gerardo]

This forum is part of the research...........
Look at the posts and answers.
Good for you you know so much! Probably your nuts are the size of lemon seeds. Jajaj

 

[Voxide]

Good for you you know so much! Probably your nuts are the size of lemon seeds. Jajaj

No, but yours will be if you do this retarded cycle.

Wasting bandwidth with retarded fucking questions is not any sort of research you small cunt.

 

[nolys]

I suggest this cycle its perfect for beginners

Week

1-4/5 - Dianabol 30mg per day 1 10mg tab x 3 a day
1-12 - testosterone enanthate 1ml (250mg) twice a week
14-18 nolva and clomid (or either one)

You should have an AI (aromitase inhibitor - stops estrogen being produced basically) on hand such as - armidex or letrozole in case you get estrogen side effects. You most likely will not need to use this whatsoever, though have it on hand just in case. If you do get sides, ýou can start these straight away, with a few days of nolva too (nolva works faster and will hit the gyno a lot more quickly than an ai, but when the ai starts to work you can drop the nolva and continue the ai for the rest of the cycle). Then next cycle round you can use the ai from the start.

Nolvadex should not be used throughout a whole cycle to combat estrogen sides as it can have a rebound effect (google it). Save it for pct.

Sustanon is a waste of money and just makes things more awkward for a first cycle so stick with enanthate which is cheaper and more manageable for beginners with just as good gains. Inject twice a week to maintain stable hormone levels.

You can take or leave the dianabol, I personally recomend using it because waiting 4 weeks for the test to kick in is a real pain. Though if you choose not to use it then you can extend the cycle to 15 weeks instead of 12. The reason some people leave it out first cycle is because if you experiance side effects, you won't know what's causing them because both drugs (test and dbol) are new to your body. This would mean next cycle around you don't know what measures to take to combat the side effects. Though I think that because the test takes a few weeks to kick in then if you get sides early on (week 1-4) you can guess that its the dbol and not the test and vice versa.

Before you start make sure your diet and training is top notch. Your muscles need energy to grow. so 4000+ calories a day is needed and at LEAST 1g (preferably 1.5g) protein per lb of body weight you have.

Completely scrap that cycle that was suggested, it is complete and utter bullshit. Just as the cycle starts to kick into gear, its over.

EDIT - I have designed you a perfect cycle and gave you the basic info you will need to cycle. This information I have posted should be used as a start to your research, not your only source of info. Do me a favour and research in depth everything I have mentioned above and more. Steroids are NOT to be fucked with, they are serious business and if done incorrectly can leave you looking like shit (best case scenario in the case of a shit cycle) or completely fuck up your hpta (worst case scenario).
Make sure your gear is legit, pay the extra buck to be sure, I got stung with bad gear my first cycle and it fucked me up, left me smaller than when I started and completely demotivated me from training for 4 months.

 

[Genetic Freak]

Hii, i see a lot of knowledge and expirience in this forum. So i ask for your help before i beggin

I Am 40, lifelong Marathoner and Triathlete. I want to stop and do only weight lifting for the next 4 months to gain volume.

The trainer at the Gym suggested: 5 week cycle.
Product
Sustanon 250mg Alpha Pharma 4ml. 1 a week
Anadrol 50mg Blister Landerlan 20 tab every day
Nolvadex 20mg Medline Pharma 30 tab Half tablet every day

What do you think? I Am Looking for 5-10 kgs of muscle as Target
Thanks!

Rather than 5 weeks, why not 3 months with a month for PCT..?

Instead of Sustanon (which has 4 esters that release at different rates into the blood stream) this can cause fluctuating blood levels, more constant levels are what you want, ideally.... Try Testosterone on the Enanthate ester, injected twice a week, anything from 375mg-500mg total/week is enough...
Stay on for 12 weeks, two weeks after your last injection 20mg nolvadex, 50mg clomid/day for 4-6 weeks....

I don't think your dose warrants an AI (some will disagree) some aromatised test is beneficial.... don't bother with an oral on your first cycle, IMO...

Train using heavy compound lifts, eat well (you are what you eat)...

I've heard bad reports about Alpha-Pharma gear, you might want to try another brand...

My 2c.............. Regards Anadrol... what Voxide said..!!!!

 

[Serotonin101]

OP be prepared for what kind of responses this part of bluelight has. out of all the substances bluelight covers, steroids can be the most beneficial and safe when used properly with proper ancillary drugs, pct setup, diet, and education on the various aas's. they can also be the most hazardous when the uneducated use them. in essence the members here understand the seriousness of aas usage and our posts reflect that. would you trust a surgeon who "heard from a friend" how to do open heart surgery before you go into the operating room? fuck no. I wanted the surgeon who's been educated AND gotten some additional tips from other educated and more experienced collegues.

 

[-Guido-]

5 weeks of Sustanon?

Anadrol for a first timer?

Nolvadex only for PCT?

Your trainer is a fucking faggot. You will end up looking like bloofy mess and whatever mass you do gain will be nothing but water.

The cycle nolys suggested is perfect. However you need Clomid and Nolvadex for the PCT. Clomid will jump start your testicles testosterone production and Nolvadex will prevent and any gyno. Nolvadex cannot be used alone because it's a SARM, and it selectively targets receptors in the breast tissue. Clomid is a SARM as well but it targets receptors in the testes.

You also may want to keep some Anastrozole on hand just in case any itchy nipples or svere bloating develops while on cycle.

By the way Alpha-Pharma is notoriously under dosed and lately I have heard reports of people having bad reactions to the gear. The owner of Alpha-Pharma is also a piece of shit that cares only about money. Let me put it to you this way, if I was given 20 vials of Alpha-Pharma Testosterone, I wouldn't even give it to my father to oil the tools and machines in his workshop.

 

[DavidWhy]

I think for a first cycle keep it simple. Just do a Test E (or Test C) cycle alone. They are Test with long Esters so you onlu have to inject once a week and if you have never used before you will see tremendous gains from a test only cycle.

There is absolutely no need to throw anything else in on a first cycle. It's a waste. Save the combos for when you have had your fill of a test only cycle.

I would recommend 250-500mg per week of testostrone enanthate for 12 weeks (I was vague with the amount cause I don't know if you are 5'4" or 6'5".) You could maybe use a low dose of dbol for the first 2 weeks to kick start while you wait for the test to do its stuff.

Then do your PCT and you will have really good results that you can probably keep most of. You don't need short esters and sustanon, save that for later. You are missing out on great gains from a relatively safe, cheap cycle if you don't do this one.

 

[crazycatman]

For your first cycle I would do the standard 500mg test e/c for 10-12 weeks + an low dose ai (increase if you get bad e2 related sides aka gyno). Should give you nice results with relatively few sides (and sides from test are usually easy to control). Add some dbol (20-50mg per day) for a few weeks (4-6) if you must. Either in the beginning before the test has kicked (if you're impatient and want fast results), while it's kicked in (the synergy is nice) or in the last weeks while you're waiting for the test to clear to begin pct (still synergy + you're not in limbo for 2 weeks waiting for the test to clear). Each will work.

Leave the drol for later, it can cause bad sides in some people (basically everyone loves dbol, while drol is more of a gamble)

If you want a short cycle, replace the sust with prop for 6-8 weeks. But be aware that for most people prop leaves the injection site quite painfull and you need to inject every other day. Dbol use remains the same. Theoretically you may be able to run dbol the whole 8 weeks, but since this is harm reduction forum, I'm not going to recommend it.

Also, be aware of three things - don't drink while taking orals (harm reduction and all), have all your pct ready before beginning and steroids do work but aren't magic - you still need to lift and eat to get good results.

Oh yeah, do a blood test before, after, after pct and a few months after pct (standard blood test + lipids/cholesterol/hdl/ldl + testosterone + e2 + lh and fsh + liver values if you do the orals). Most people don't do it, but it's a good idea and will give you more insight into what happens to your body on cycle + makes helping with recovery problems much easier (shouldn't be any with a normal cycle but still better safe than sorry).

ps
There is no thing as 'my only' cycle, you're going to want to do another one soner or later...

 

[DavidWhy]

For your first cycle I would do the standard 500mg test e/c for 10-12 weeks + an low dose ai (increase if you get bad e2 related sides aka gyno). Should give you nice results with relatively few sides

EXACTLY. On a first cycle there is just no need to stack other things. Your receptors are virgin fresh and are going to make the most of what you give them. Give them 500mg of testosterone per week instead of the 47mg (approx) that your body produces naturally and you are going to be a hulk. Sabve money and save your receptors. Use then when you need them. Stick to simple.

Also, be aware of three things - don't drink while taking orals (harm reduction and all), have all your pct ready before beginning and steroids do work but aren't magic - you still need to lift and eat to get good results.

Again, EXACTLY, the man spaketh the truth unto the shepherd. Don't styart your course when your PCT is in the post or when you are ordering it. Anything can go wrong and it could end with you wearing your mum's bra to the gym. One of the most valuable things someone told me when we started training together (and he came second in Mr World this year) was

"Why would I waste all this money taking the huge step buying and injecting chemicals into my body, just so I can cut corners in the gym and with my diet? It's not happening. I gave 100% before I took them and I give 100% now".

And basically what he was saying is, steroids aren't a magic formula. Your results come from:

40%Diet/40%Training/20%Steroids

Cause you can take all the steroids in the world. You can have Ronnie Coleman putting your cycles together for you, and if you are lazy in the gym and eating a sloppy diet. You aren't going to look good, you are going to be sloppy like the burgers you re eating, or like Tank Abbott. Bodybuilders are dedicated BEFORE they take steroids and they work their arses off. So when they take the leap of using, there focus and dedication if increased also. Don't rely on steroids to get you through, rely on you.

Oh yeah, do a blood test before, after, after pct and a few months after pct (standard blood test + lipids/cholesterol/hdl/ldl + testosterone + e2 + lh and fsh + liver values if you do the orals). Most people don't do it, but it's a good idea and will give you more insight into what happens to your body on cycle + makes helping with recovery problems much easier

Hahaha, I am a hypocrite if I say EXACTLY cause I am one of those who never gets blood work done. I can't be arsed. You should do though. Anyway, now I have finished dissecting your post and agreeing with it all I am going to go to bed.

 

[crazycatman]

Hahaha, I am a hypocrite if I say EXACTLY cause I am one of those who never gets blood work done. I can't be arsed. You should do though. Anyway, now I have finished dissecting your post and agreeing with it all I am going to go to bed.

I'm a bit lazy with the tests too, but if there is one thing I regret is not getting my hormones measured before my first cycle. Now I'll never know if it affected them. All post pct test were fine but still, what if I was above normal before taking anything? Unlikely, but possible. And now I'll never know.