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^ I think any country that has cocaine, also has crack cocaine. It's available here in Belgrade anyway.
 
yep, where theres coke theres crack.

its a good question op, i have often wondered why pcp seems so isolated to usa.
 
I live in the midwest usa where meth use is an "epidemic" and I have never seen it ( have tried a very large variety of drugs) or even hear of anyone around me use it.

So yeah I'm sure its over there its just about who you hang around with. Meth is an insane money maker and the cartels are making that shit faster than ever and there is still demand!
 
Heroic said:
^ I think any country that has cocaine, also has crack cocaine. It's available here in Belgrade anyway.
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I've never stumbled upon crack in Northern Europe although we have cocaine here, but maybe we're an exception. Crack is nowhere near as popular in Europe as in the US though.

Adderall is also almost unheard of in most of Europe.
 
I think here in RSA is the only place to get Methaqualone (Mandrax) though i hear it is in a form that can only be smoked thus I have not tried it yet (i wont smoke any drugs except cigs, just a way to help keep addiction at bay).

Oh and we have epic dirt cheap high quality meth.
Even the poorest of the poor can afford daily smoking habits.
Awesome and dangerous.
 
Cyanoide said:
I forgot crack. Is it available in any European country? Certainly not in Northern and Central Europe.
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Here in the Netherlands it seems - at least from the open street market - to be more prominent than powder cocaine. Asking the ghetto dudes hanging around corners for powder will sometimes entail them having to go to one of their friends, but almost all of them carry tiny bags (0.1-0.2g) of crack for sale. There's definitely a crackhead scene here.

When I lived in Finland nobody'd ever tried it (none of my friends had tested it on their travels, either). Cocaine there is ridiculously impure and expensive, so I'd assume the yield one would get from freebasing one's powder would be very disappointing, but I've still never heard of anyone having it for sale, or anyone cooking their own cocaine into freebase. Strange, because after I first smoked it, I went and found out how to cook it, and nowadays I only sniff HCl if offered a line - any cocaine of my own is getting the ammonia treatment. Easy for anyone to do, yet nobody up there even thinks of doing it.
 
Methamphetamine is probably the only drug I can think of that reaches possibly higher purity and popularity here than anything else in the world.
 
I think if you had Redneck Knowledge and could set up a meth factory in the UK you could easily make hundreds of thousands of pounds in the space of a few months. I know people who sell crack on the streets and if they switched crack for meth, gave it away cheap for about 4 days, if it is as addictive as people say it is then the crack heads would be fiending for it in less than a week. The little hustlers on the streets shotting bags would buy it from you in ounces every day and within about 3 weeks you would be selling ounces and ounces a day for whatever price you decided to charge for it because nobody else would be making it and the demand would be huge.

If you knew how to cook it up in kilos you would be a rich man off a drug that nobody in England has hardly even tried. You'd literally be like the first person to bring crack to England. A total scumbag who was destroying his community and ruining hundreds and eventually thousands of lives, but you would be very very rich in a very short time. I am surprised nobody has done it yet.

I have a social conscience but I am not even going to pretend that if I knew how to do it I wouldn't be sorely tempted. I am not saying I would, but I would definitely be tempted to do it. Thankfully I can't even soft boil an egg and make soldiers without causing the smoke alarm to go off, my toast to burn and the pan to overflow all over the cooker. If I tried to build a meth lab I would have a face like Freddy Krueger and my back would be on fire in the space of about 11 seconds.
 
DavidWhy said:
I think if you had Redneck Knowledge and could set up a meth factory in the UK you could easily make hundreds of thousands of pounds in the space of a few months. I know people who sell crack on the streets and if they switched crack for meth, gave it away cheap for about 4 days, if it is as addictive as people say it is then the crack heads would be fiending for it in less than a week. The little hustlers on the streets shotting bags would buy it from you in ounces every day and within about 3 weeks you would be selling ounces and ounces a day for whatever price you decided to charge for it because nobody else would be making it and the demand would be huge.

If you knew how to cook it up in kilos you would be a rich man off a drug that nobody in England has hardly even tried. You'd literally be like the first person to bring crack to England. A total scumbag who was destroying his community and ruining hundreds and eventually thousands of lives, but you would be very very rich in a very short time. I am surprised nobody has done it yet.

I have a social conscience but I am not even going to pretend that if I knew how to do it I wouldn't be sorely tempted. I am not saying I would, but I would definitely be tempted to do it. Thankfully I can't even soft boil an egg and make soldiers without causing the smoke alarm to go off, my toast to burn and the pan to overflow all over the cooker. If I tried to build a meth lab I would have a face like Freddy Krueger and my back would be on fire in the space of about 11 seconds.
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Don't spread meth. Please let it die and be replaced by better alternatives.
 
No need for abusive and degrading statements.

Renz Envy said:
Don't spread meth. Please let it die and be replaced by better alternatives.
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Noo, I have no desire to see my mum mugged and stabbed by a meth head. In fact I don't want it to happen to me, nevermind my old dear. I was just saying I am surprised it hasn't happened when it would be such a cheap and easy way of becoming the next drug kingpin.

Cyanoide said:
I've never stumbled upon crack in Northern Europe although we have cocaine here, but maybe we're an exception. Crack is nowhere near as popular in Europe as in the US though.
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Crack is a big deal in the UK. There are almost as many crackheads as there are smackheads. The two go hand in hand. I could go out today and score crack in town, not evena major city, just in a medium sized town in barely anytime at all. I don't know where anyone would get the idea that crack isn't in Europe.
 
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I know of dealers in London that supply meth, it is available here, it just hasn't taken off on a large scale yet. The UK is still in the crack business/cocaine. When people start to realise that meth is better, it will become more prevalent. Time is of the essence really before it all starts. The ingredients to cook meth are also harder to find and obtain in the UK from what I've seen too.

As for the opiates, we might not have some, but we have the holy grail, diconals.

That being said I haven't tried hydromorphone, oxymorphone etc. so I can't compare and wish I could. They sound amazing. It's a bit like how oxycodone hasn't really kicked off in the UK yet either. Docs are very liberal with the weaker opiates and prescribing over here (dihydrocodeine, tramadol, codeine) but are fucking strict with oramorph and oxy. It's hard to come across good reliable pill sellers that meet in person too. If there were more opiates in the mid to lower range to prescribe, we'd have an epidemic here regarding pain pills. I could walk into any surgery - get 200 pills of DHC for two weeks and pay 7 pounds for the script, simply by complaining of back ache with no MRI or x rays with conclusive evidence.

I've only experienced prometh syrup, adderall and desoxyn that was smuggled from the US to here once. And fuck me was it expensive. Wish the Uk was more liberal with regards to having more opiates to prescribe.
 
Psychonauticunt said:
One that bugs me a lot is the absence of hydrocodone from drug prescribing formularies almost everywhere (I think Luxembourg or some other country might be the only one in Europe, for example, that has it). As a result, there's a HUGE gap in analgesic potency, the niche which hydrocodone fills in the United States - a moderately strong opioid analgesic.

In most other countries, the analgesic scale goes NSAID -> Codeine/Tramadol -> Morphine/Oxycodone/etc.
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just needed to interject with my theory as to why the US and Canada are the main two countries which have hydrocodone inclusive. america loves over-prescribing opioids of all classes and strengths and there is huge profits to be made.

truth be told is that hydrocodone is equipotent in analgesia with morphine when dosed orally, even if hydro is usually in combination with apap unless compounded by a private pharmacy. it just seems a little redundant to me, personally. now if only the world was a little more liberal with their morphine scripting we'd see a lot less people on harder shit, overdosing on Norco's, etc, etc, blablabla.
 
Cyanoide said:
Meth is rare in Europe, but certainly not unheard of. I've had some a few times. PCP on the other hand I've never heard about being sold in Europe. Ketamine is most certainly much harder to get here than in the US too.
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Where are you from in Europe? In Belgium it's not hard to find at all and (from what I've heard) very cheap compared to the US price.

Getting pure ketanest bottles isn't that hard either.

And yeah, I've also never seen or heard of meth around these parts. Not that I really mind it as stims aren't my thing anymore, but if it was around I'd probably give it a try. I don't think there is any chance of me becoming addicted to any kind of upper ever again. Even if I have a huge amount of good cocaine (which is a rare occurence because I hardly buy coke, and only when it's really good) I get sick of it after one day and sell the rest or trade it. And coke is IMO the most 'sustainable' upper that puts the least strain on the body. Correct my if I'm wrong here, I'm not sure.

Psychonauticunt said:
One that bugs me a lot is the absence of hydrocodone from drug prescribing formularies almost everywhere (I think Luxembourg or some other country might be the only one in Europe, for example, that has it). As a result, there's a HUGE gap in analgesic potency, the niche which hydrocodone fills in the United States - a moderately strong opioid analgesic.

In most other countries, the analgesic scale goes NSAID -> Codeine/Tramadol -> Morphine/Oxycodone/etc.

I myself have often been in a situation where tramadol simply does not cut it but there's approximately zero chance of getting prescribed morphine or oxycodone by most doctors. Last time I had an accident (last week) I was very lucky to get prescribed a minimal amount of morphine after being released from the ER.
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I definitely agree that hydrocodone leaves a gap with the analgesics. But I have to say there's also (atleast in Belgium) Pentazocine and tilidine which are both more potent than tramadol and less potent than oxycodone. The pentazocine is pretty strong actually (Talwin/Fortal - It's without naloxone here). The tilidine is pretty potent too (to a lesser degree), but it has naloxone in it to prevent taking 'very' high doses. (It's still possible to get high from it, but only to a certain degree.)
 
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I don't think I've ever heard anyone ever mention methylaminorex even existing. I've asked about it and people look at me like I'm dumb.

Ketamine and GHB are very rare in the states. Most people do not know what either is.

Usually people associate GHB with "The Date rape drug" and think you're going to use it to rape people. Eiher that or their organs are going to melt, because its derived from GBL(PAINT THINNER) I guess people think it's like acetone or something. Great propaganda on that one, stopped a generation of kids from using it. [Editted because GHB is not safe in conjunction with driving or other drugs. In a private setting, GHB overdoses are incredibly rare.]

As for ketamine, people don't seek it out, because it's "Horse tranquilizer".

Kids literally belittle each other for using substances that make them seem "desperate to get high". When in reality the closest two "popular substances" to Ketamine and GHB are PCP and alcohol.

Pretty sure Ketamine and GHB are better alternatives. Wish I could go to a bar and order a drink containing .5 or 1g of ghb rather than ethanol.
 
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DavidWhy said:
Crack is a big deal in the UK. There are almost as many crackheads as there are smackheads. The two go hand in hand. I could go out today and score crack in town, not evena major city, just in a medium sized town in barely anytime at all. I don't know where anyone would get the idea that crack isn't in Europe.
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Yea, I definitely recall a lot of posts in EADD where people talk about picking up some 'stones' (we call them rocks here in the US, so I guess that's the UK equivalent for the slang word for crack) so I know it's definitely there.
 
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