recreational use of suboxone

[psytaco]

I recently got a couple of 2mg suboxone tablets. I was wondering if these have much recreational value?

I rarely use opiates maybe about 100mg of codeine once or twice a week which gives me a very slight buzz. I am far from addicted or even tolerant to opiates. I have used largish amounts of oxy before - say 120mg a day. but that was years ago.

I was wondering what is a good starting dose for the suboxone? My friend recommended 1mg (so half a tablet). Is this too much? The last thing I want is to spend the whole day vomiting nor do I want to OD from it.

What is the high like for people who are not addicted to opiates? Is it similiar to oxy?

 

[Alex000]

I would probably recommend 0.5 mg total TOPS, that being a quarter of a 2 mg Suboxone tablet. But, starting at 0.25 mg (an eighth of the tablet) is not the worst idea so that you can adjust up if you need to, or see if that 0.25 mg is enough. I'd suggest taking it under the tongue. The effects will not be unlike the effects of other opioids. It certainly does have recreational value, yes, esp. at low doses for anyone due to its mechanism of action and it being a partial antagonist. It should be like any other opioid, with its own flavor. It may be sedating, but often users report it being quite stimulating. This varies from person to person. Thinking back on it, I would start with only 0.25 mg under the tongue, and you can add another 0.25 mg if you feel the need after an hour or two. 0.5 mg is likely to be a fairly hefty dose for someone with no opiate tolerance, though I don't know I would say an intolerable one. Yeah, try 0.25 mg first, and add another 0.25 mg if needed after about an hour or so. That is my advice. It should be pleasant.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

We don't do "does x substance have recreational value?" or "what is the high like?" threads. You can easily find out the answers to these questions by doing a simple search. We can talk about a safe starting dose though, so I'll leave this open for now.

 

[cook]

Snorting or plugging are the way to go if you want recreational effects. Starting with 0.3-0.4 mg.taking more may result in pukefest.

 

[laCster]

make sure you only take very little! from what you say, you have very little tolerance to opiates so suboxone is going to rock your world, and yes there is a possibility you can OD if you take too much

 

[opium]

high recreational value, extreme opiate high. If your doing sub-lingual, then id do a half of a pill (1mg) If your snorting it, id do about .25 or .50
i weigh 155, and when i use subs, i get the 8mg and usually tuck half under my tongue. Favorite Route of transportation though, has to be up the nose. makes them last longer, and a stronger high. dont waste em

 

[cook]

high recreational value, extreme opiate high. If your doing sub-lingual, then id do a half of a pill (1mg) If your snorting it, id do about .25 or .50
i weigh 155, and when i use subs, i get the 8mg and usually tuck half under my tongue. Favorite Route of transportation though, has to be up the nose. makes them last longer, and a stronger high. dont waste em

Sublingual actually lasts longer, of course. Intrasanal offers faster onset and shorter duration, IV even faster but a lot shorter. Plugging is somewhere between IV an intranasal adminstration.

With no tolerance buprenorphine can be really addictive. It's a really speedy type of high and gives a lot of energy. It's a very shitty DOC because it takes longer to get dependent, and the withdrawals only show up after several days. In this way many have gotten addicted, thinking it's ok to take some days off to avoid the dependence. And the ceiling effect comes very quickly with tolerance where you are not able to get anything off the drug anymore, still having to maintain because the withdrawal is a very long process. Be careful.

 

[Effuzion]

Between 0.2 and 0.5 mg sublingual is all you need with no tolerance. Don't do it more often than every couple weeks, though. Your tolerance will skyrocket and you won't get the recreational value from it anymore.

 

[opium]

just be careful with sublingual, too much at a time will upset your stomach horribly.. first time i ever did it, i was dumb and 15..kid gave me an 8mg pill saying just to throw it under my tounge so i did... i got high but i couldnt get out of bed without projectile vomiting.. not a nice first experience

and i meant snorting them makes you use less at a time, making the actual pill last you longer, not the high

 

[Jabberwocky]

i found bupe very overwhelming in terms of euphoria when i took it for the first time. i foolishly snorted a 2mg tablet and it was too much for me to handle and i thought i had a high tolerance - i was taking about 100mg of oxy every day and that was pretty much a few days after my last dose of oxy.

considering you take 100mg of codeine i suggest you break that tablet down into 0.25 pieces, use it intranasally. you can bump more but i would not go past 0.5 to be honest safely, pushing it to 0.75. DO NOT go over 1mg.

0.25 is = to 125mg codeine ORALLY. using it snorted is more potent.

also be aware that the bupe high last a long time. if you take too much it is an agonizing amount of time to suffer. remember you can always add more but not take out.

be careful with this stuff.

 

[WayneRooney]

Used subs for the first time last weekend for purely recreational use. I had used opiates previously, but very sporadically. Never gained an addiction. And I was dosing say 80mg oxy, or 150mg for a nice hit. But like I say, never was a habit.

I found suboxone a really nice long high for me. It was overwhelming, but the euphoria was there. And there was a little nice stimulation (in terms of wanting to be social/make most of the pleasant feeling). I started low as I was scared that I was so opiate naive that too a high dose would induce nausea. So 1mg sublongual was how I started. Wasn't really doing much an hour in, so I snorted 1mg more. Then 2.5 hours later I was feeling real nice, but wanted to see if i could get more out of it, so took the remaining 2mg. This left me in a nice state for a whole day. No nausea or neg side effects at all. Anyway, I did the same the day after, but started with 2mg and redosed another 2mg an hour later. It being the day after, the effects were there, but not as pronounced.

My question is, how long should I wait before I can enjoy this stuff again. If I was to try it again say tomorrow (3 days after last) would the effects be still there, even if a bit diminished. And when am I putting myself at risk at becoming liable to withdrawals from this stuff if I'm not a daily user?

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

If you don't have a tolerance to opiates.. bupe can really fuck you up. I've seen it many times where people take a tiny little piece and are completely rocked. Bupe is a powerful drug and can be dangerous if your body isn't used to it or other opiates.. Of course, once you do develop a tolerance to full agonist opiates.. basically all the recreational value of bupe goes out the window, but before that, it will definitely do the trick. As others have said.. start slow at .25-.5mg's and work your way up.

 

[mrflowers00]

cut it into 4ths or eighths

 

[LOGan1314]

IT had me feeling pretty good but it makes you alot sicker and nauseous than regular opiates imo

 

[WayneRooney]

All completely not read my post. I took 4mg onconsecutive days..... That's not what I'm asking. Have another loomj at my question...

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Used subs for the first time last weekend for purely recreational use. I had used opiates previously, but very sporadically. Never gained an addiction. And I was dosing say 80mg oxy, or 150mg for a nice hit. But like I say, never was a habit.

I found suboxone a really nice long high for me. It was overwhelming, but the euphoria was there. And there was a little nice stimulation (in terms of wanting to be social/make most of the pleasant feeling). I started low as I was scared that I was so opiate naive that too a high dose would induce nausea. So 1mg sublongual was how I started. Wasn't really doing much an hour in, so I snorted 1mg more. Then 2.5 hours later I was feeling real nice, but wanted to see if i could get more out of it, so took the remaining 2mg. This left me in a nice state for a whole day. No nausea or neg side effects at all. Anyway, I did the same the day after, but started with 2mg and redosed another 2mg an hour later. It being the day after, the effects were there, but not as pronounced.

My question is, how long should I wait before I can enjoy this stuff again. If I was to try it again say tomorrow (3 days after last) would the effects be still there, even if a bit diminished. And when am I putting myself at risk at becoming liable to withdrawals from this stuff if I'm not a daily user?

All completely not read my post. I took 4mg onconsecutive days..... That's not what I'm asking. Have another loomj at my question...

They are probably responding to the original post and didn't see your's. If your question is different from the OP's it's better to start a new thread. Would you like it to be made into a separate thread?

As for your questions, they are pretty difficult to answer because it's complicated and everyone is so different. If you take Suboxone too often you are putting yourself at risk for dependence, how often is "too often" and how soon that will happen can really vary. It has such a long half-life so even if you are only taking it every 2nd or 3rd day or whatever can lead to dependence. Really it's not a good idea to take it on any kind of regular basis. The half-life of bupe is usually ~20–73 hours, meaning it takes that long just for half to be out of your system (and that long again for half of the remaining half and so on). So for 87% to be gone would take ~60-220 hrs. To get full effects from it's best to wait several days since the last dose, but you should still feel something from it if it's been 3 days since you last did it. To not get dependent it is best to only use it infrequently. Specifics will vary greatly from person to person. Please be very careful!

 

[Crashing]

Suboxone feels more like opiate sedation rather than an opiate high.

 

[hangyourhead]

Suboxone, or better yet, buprenorphine is one weird partial agonist opioid to which everyone reacts differently. Some find it's highly recreational and euphoric; others find it to have strictly therapeutic effects, strictly in relation to relief of withdrawal/opioid maintenance.

Many, including myself, recommend dosing at 2mg or below for recreational effects. Bupe has a metabolite called norbuprenorphine, a full-agonist, which can provide the more classic opioid effects/euphoria. For this metabolite to be active, obviously a inactive dose of naloxone is necessary (<2mg).

 

[cook]

The half-life of bupe is usually ~20–73 hours, meaning it takes that long just for half to be out of your system (and that long again for half of the remaining half and so on). So for 87% to be gone would take ~60-220 hrs.

Actually the half life of low (recreational) bupe doses is dramatically lower than with higher doses, I don't know the reason for this though. In the prescribing information of Temgesic 0.4mg (buprenorphine) the half life is stated to be only 3-4 hours with sublingual administration.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Actually the half life of low (recreational) bupe doses is dramatically lower than with higher doses, I don't know the reason for this though. In the prescribing information of Temgesic 0.4mg (buprenorphine) the half life is stated to be only 3-4 hours with sublingual administration.

Hmm... That's interesting. Perhaps the half life may depend on how much you take, and also it seems to build up in your system if you take it frequently, but it's really weird as I've seen studies/articles stating buprenorphine's half life at anywhere from 2 - 75+ hrs. It sounds like some are stating the elimination half-life and some are stating the terminal half-life, which makes things more confusing (not sure which the Temgesic info is referring to). For example one study on opioid naive people taking between 2mg-16mg states that the terminal half-life was 9–69 hrs with a median of 26 hr, and they don't mention anything about differences due to dose. The other thing is that the active metabolite may have a different/longer half-life than bupe itself, so that's something to consider as well.

Anyway, the poster I was responding to was taking 4mg/day, not 0.4mg. But it's a good point that lower doses would actually be better for recreational use.