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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

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The responses, especially yours and laCster's, are good enough. I feel bad for the person, like my 2 cents thrown on top would be the straw that broke the camel's poor fragile ego. Yikes.

I can't imagine being that fucked when it comes to the state of one's opiate receptors.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
The responses, especially yours and laCster's, are good enough. I feel bad for the person, like my 2 cents thrown on top would be the straw that broke the camel's poor fragile ego. Yikes.

I can't imagine being that fucked when it comes to the state of one's opiate receptors.
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Yeah tell me about it. I really don't think, despite what he claims, that he has any conceptualization of just how much 16mg's of bupe IV really is.. Hah. Crazy.
 
scriptwriter said:
Happy Thanxgiving everyone. I have a question that someone may be able to help me out with. Been on subs for 3yrs. Havent done ANY other opiate since. I get the 8mg film and the past couple days have been IVing them. No more than 2mg at a time. I've done my homework before hand as I have never IV'd anything. My question is how many units of water do i need for a 1mg piece? I've read ppl on here saying as much as 90 units which i think is way too much. I only have a 50 unit rig and dont like having to fill the entire thing because i have no room for drawing back. I would like to hear from captain h but any responses would be appreciated.
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Buprenorphine's solubility in water is something like 17mg/mL, so you can definately dissolve 1mg in 1 unit (or .1mL). However, I have to ask, why, after three years of sticking to buprenorphine and not touching another opiate, did you decide to start injecting? You might want to reconsider the weight of what it is you're doing, because I can't see one good thing to come out of this.

However, like The other posters said, 1mg IV is a rather high dose when you consider that the sublingual BioAvailibility is only 30% or so.. You might want to taper down to .5mg, that's when I started noticing more desirable effects from suboxone. Basically, the lower you can go, the better it gets once you adjust, but that might not be what's best for you. However, its not really my place to make that judgement.

On a final note, without a micron filter, 5 units is probably a decent amount of water to dissolve the strip in. If you use too little, the solution can become viscous.
 
Firstly I'll apologise, as I'm sure that this question is answered in one of the megathreads. But there are literally 100s of pages to filter through, so it would be nice if someone could give a quick answer. Thanks

Ok, I should start by saying I'm no opiate addict. Over the past few years I have been an occasional user of various opiates, and by occasional I mean sometimes a few times a week (maybe the most frequent being 5 days oxy use in a row) and sometimes nothing in a few months. I can enjoy a codeine cwe'd at around 300mg, and I occasionaly use oxy which I used to get real high off just 10mg, but my toelerance to this rocketed quickly, even using infrequently, so now can take 80mg and its great, but doesn't compare to that first time I did 10. More recently I've been taking morphine mst's when I can get them, and enjoy about 100mg plugged. Not done many opiates recently until last week when I did about 100mg MST one night. So that's just to give you an outline of my opiate tolerance/relationship. I've never experienced withdrawal symptoms that I'm aware of.

Anyway, I've recently got hold of some suboxone 8mg tablets. Having done my reading I believe I can probably use this recreationally due to my relatively low opiate tolerance, and lack of any physical addiction. I think a dose of about 1mg-2mg would be right for me taken sublingually or snorted.

Anyway, I attempted to split the pill in half, and then half again ect, so I would end up with 8ths of 1mg. But the tablet was really tricky to half, and it ended up being pretty crumbly, so what I finished with was only roughly 1mg pieces. I've taken 1mg sublingually about an hour ago, but having never taken anything sublingually before I'm unsure I got it right. After putting it under my tongue the tablet dissolved completely very quickly, less than a minute, but I produced LOTS of saliva. So it was hard to keep under my tongue, or even in my mouth for that matter, for very longer. I kept it in for about 10 minutes before I had to spit it out (I'd read that ingesting it can lead to nausea due to the other ingredient in the tablet). Do you think this sublingual administration will have worked. There was a LOT of what I spat out 10 mins after putting it in, but it had completely dissolved and I'd been swishing around under my tongue as much as I could. Anyway, worried I'd gone and spat out a load of the bupe I insufflated anout .5mg just after. So I guess my first question is do you think this was necessary, or did I take it correctly in the first place?

Next question is, how long now should I wait before I redose if I think I need to? Its been about 1.5 hours since I dosed, and I feel a little spacey, slight opiate feelings but nothing to shout about. I'd like to experience the euphoric effects that non-addicts can supposedly get off this drug, but at the same time I don't want to puke my guts up?

Finally.......If I really enjoy today's experience, would I get much out of doing the same thing tomorrow? I'd be taking nothing during next week, and probably taking a week or more off infact, its just it would be nice to enjoy both days of this weekend in an opiated state. If it would NOT be worhtwhile doing it again tomorrow, would another opiate work (MST), and if not how long do I have to wait until it would do?
 
Well, I'm guessing that you will start to get pretty high within the next hour. Buprenorphine administered sublingually can take up to three hours to hit for some people (though on average it's about 45min-1.5 hours). I would wait until its been about three hours, and if you're still not getting any strong effects or sense of build-up, than I would dose another .5mg. However, you mentioned that you plug morphine, so seeing as you have nothing against that route of administering drugs, I would recommend that you plug the suboxone if you do end up wanting to redose.

However,nits important to know that rectal administration boosts absorption by 24%, so use .5mg, not another 1/2mg.

When you use buprenorphine/suboxone rectally, it hits you in about 5-10 minutes, and produces a much cleaner feeling. It's the best way to take it IMO, and its especially good in your situation because you can gauge quickly where your tolerance is. However, if you end up using up to 4mg and don't feel anything after a while, than buprenorphine is not going to get you high, due to the ceiling effect and all.

If you do get euphoria from the suboxone today, it will definitely be diminished by tomorrow, especially if you use a high dose, (2mg+). The only way you'll be able to keep getting a relatively consistent effect from it will to be by keeping your doses low, and to try and wait at least 48 hours between dosages.
 
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Well, I'm guessing that you will start to get pretty high within the next hour. Buprenorphine administered sublingually can take up to three hours to hit for some people (though on average it's about 45min-1.5 hours). I would wait until its been about three hours, and if you're still not getting any strong effects or sense of build-up, than I would dose another .5mg. However, you mentioned that you plug morphine, so seeing as you have nothing against that route of administering drugs, I would recommend that you plug the suboxone if you do end up wanting to redose.

However,nits important to know that rectal administration boosts absorption by 24%, so use .5mg, not another 1/2mg.

When you use buprenorphine/suboxone rectally, it hits you in about 5-10 minutes, and produces a much cleaner feeling. It's the best way to take it IMO, and its especially good in your situation because you can gauge quickly where your tolerance is. However, if you end up using up to 4mg and don't feel anything after a while, than buprenorphine is not going to get you high, due to the ceiling effect and all.

If you do get euphoria from the suboxone today, it will definitely be diminished by tomorrow, especially if you use a high dose, (2mg+). The only way you'll be able to keep getting a relatively consistent effect from it will to be by keeping your doses low, and to try and wait at least 48 hours between dosages.
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Well I started feeling pretty nice. But nothing like WOW. This was 3 hours later. So I took another .5mg intranasally at 1pm, then another .5mg at 2pm. So that's approx 3mg in all. (this was before I saw your post regarding plugging, hadn't thought about that...). Anyway, I'll give it another 2 hours and then take another 1mg by plugging if its the same?

If I did that it would be about 4mg altogether over about 5-6 hours..... I won't take anymore than that. To be honest, I'm feeling pretty nice and chilled, a little euphoric. Anxiety (if I even had any) has been completely eliminated- feel completely content. Very social ect. I just thought it might have given MORE of a body euphoria with a wow factor. Still hoping that might hit me. If it doesn't I won't be too disappointed....considering its half-life I should feel like this all day.
 
Also, would it be safe to have ONE or TWO bottles of ale/beer later tonight. So long as I'm not feeling ill?

I don't mean getting hammered, as I fully appreciate the dangers of opiates and alcohol. I just mean enjoying one or two bottles of fine ale whilst I watch a film or the football.
 
television82 said:
Also, would it be safe to have ONE or TWO bottles of ale/beer later tonight. So long as I'm not feeling ill?

I don't mean getting hammered, as I fully appreciate the dangers of opiates and alcohol. I just mean enjoying one or two bottles of fine ale whilst I watch a film or the football.
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A little booze is fine on opiates. Fine meaning you're not going to drop dead as soon as you take a sip of alcohol.. but prolonged mixture of the two and at high levels is dangerous.
 
^ same, I'd much rather snort my sub , I've been snorting it for like 6months and I rarely have nasal discomfort
 
Captain.Heroin said:
The ethanol/buprenorphine combination seems to be not that pleasurable. Some people enjoy it, but I don't care for it.
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Don't you not care for ethanol in general though?

I don't like the combination, but I drank while I was stabilized on buprenorphine since I wasn't really feeling anything from the bupe at that point since I was taking it for maintenance. I did feel that it took more of a toll on my body though, and I recommend drinking a lot of water during the day before drinking the alcohol because I always seemed to get bad headaches after drinking on bupe.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
Yeah but there are plenty of people who used to fully enjoy drinking alcohol, until they got on Suboxone, and then they noticed that they don't like it anymore.
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Yeah, I've heard of that happening.. unfortuantley for me that wasn't the case.. Hah. Booze has no different effect on me with the bupe in my system, so I can still drink like a fish.. something I'm trying not to do.
 
mr.scagnattie said:
Yeah, I've heard of that happening.. unfortuantley for me that wasn't the case.. Hah. Booze has no different effect on me with the bupe in my system, so I can still drink like a fish.. something I'm trying not to do.
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Well good luck with that! I don't have a problem with ethanol, and have probably had a single beer over many years now.
 
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