Ghb?

[Brandasaur]

So I have a friend who has fermented their own GHB by adding MSG into their wine fermentation. Yes, this method does work Im not making this thread to be told how stupid it sounds. I was wondering, how does GHB compare to alcohol? How does GHB feel when combined with alcohol?

 

[debaser]

Please never mix GHB/GBL with alcohol or any other sedative. It is potentially lethal to do so, even at "small" doses.

I find GHB/GBL to be much cleaner than alcohol, although it carries its own risks and dependence issues.

 

[my84firebird355]

why go through all that when you can just buy <snip> cleaner which is chemically identical to ghb?

 

[opium]

is that legal?^

and mixing a downer into alcohol is extremely dangerous.
You might as well make your own xanax-wine

 

[nAON]

why go through all that when you can just buy <snip> cleaner which is chemically identical to ghb?

I'm not familiar with this particularly brand name, but I assume this product contains GBL? This drug is very similar to GHB (and is metabolised into it), but has its own complications due to its chemical properties (eg. it's extremely corrosive). I would also advise against drinking any formula that is being sold as a cleaning product, as often you will have a lot of other chemicals mixed in with it which are going to cause problems in their own right.

 

[Foreigner]

When I worked harm reduction last summer at a major festival, people who mixed GHB/alcohol were the most complicated cases. It's hard to tell if someone's being incoherent because they are drunk or because they are OD'ing, and because it's a strong depressant combination it's hard for them to communicate how they feel. I remember one guy came in who had done GHB/alcohol together, when he first came in he was rough-housing at the entrance with his friend, acting stupid and uncoordinated. Five minutes later he was on the ground aspirating his own vomit and we had to call first aid.

In harm reduction we consider GHB more dangerous than heroin because the recreational dose and the lethal dose are so close together, especially where alcohol is already involved.

OP... I know you might do it no matter what we tell you, but my sincere opinion is to just not do it.

 

[Renz Envy]

When I worked harm reduction last summer at a major festival, people who mixed GHB/alcohol were the most complicated cases. It's hard to tell if someone's being incoherent because they are drunk or because they are OD'ing, and because it's a strong depressant combination it's hard for them to communicate how they feel. I remember one guy came in who had done GHB/alcohol together, when he first came in he was rough-housing at the entrance with his friend, acting stupid and uncoordinated. Five minutes later he was on the ground aspirating his own vomit and we had to call first aid.

In harm reduction we consider GHB more dangerous than heroin because the recreational dose and the lethal dose are so close together, especially where alcohol is already involved.

OP... I know you might do it no matter what we tell you, but my sincere opinion is to just not do it.

The dosing curve is often misunderstood. Falling asleep on G in a safe position is miles away from death. G is destructive for its close recreational - unconscious proximity. In the case of "Mr. G" taking 3-4grams instead of 2, I am less frightened by Mr. G's case than "Larry" drinking a bottle of vodka instead of half.

Everybody reported to have been “poisoned” with GHB has “fully recovered,” even the man who took 15 tablespoons (50-75 grams?). There have been no long-term consequences identified in any of these cases despite close observation by attending physicians.

Although it is possible that somebody could ingest the 50-150 grams (2-5 ounces, 5 heaping tablespoons?) that might be expected to be life threatening, it is exceedingly difficult to do so. In high doses, GHB causes nausea and vomiting, which strongly limits the maximum amount that a person can consume. It is possible that a dedicated person wishing to commit suicide might be able to take a sleep-inducing dose of GHB and then, just before falling asleep, gulp down a huge amount of GHB, but this is not something which can be done accidentally. The sodium content alone (NaGHB is 17% sodium by weight) is enough to make somebody gag. It is the equivalent of trying to swallow 2 heaping tablespoons of pure table salt.

http://www.ceri.com/report.htm
While GHB does have a lethal dose, it ranges. Much like alprozolam, it usually requires a drug combination to kill you in non-monster doses. Remember that while GHB slows breathing, it also helps protect the organs by holding more oxygen. GHB's half life is about 45 minutes, and it's metabolism can take around 3-6 hours.

If I worked harm reduction and dealt with someone highly intoxicated on G (with no one to confirm it was G-alone), I would treat the case very severely as any depressant mixed in makes a simple G-mishap into a serious emergency. (G and opiates especially.)

GHB is not a fraction as dangerous as strong opiates, though it's often treated like Heroin. G is the most misunderstood drug. Having a "killer" and "date rape" reputation, the world sees it both as a murderer and a rapist. GHB-alone overdoses do not even reach 100(In the US) in the past 10 years.

GHB is known to have a high level of safety. Information is available from research studies, reference texts, scientists and clinicians to establish these facts. The fact that DEA and FDA agents are stating otherwise does not require that we re-examine the validity of scientific methodology. It demands that we examine the political motivations of the DEA and FDA. There are a growing number of experts who can set the record straight on GHB. Legislators are encouraged to review the primary literature and invite these experts to testify.

That concludes my average post length on GHB threads.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

I was wondering, how does GHB compare to alcohol?

It's more clearheaded and energetic, less intoxicating. You also skip the make-an-ass-out-of-yourself level of inebriation and go straight to unconsciousness if you take too much/redose too soon.

How does GHB feel when combined with alcohol?

Never tried it, G + other CNS depressants is sketchy stuff, however looking through the thread on this wine thing on another site, if it works you should be dealing with small enough amounts that it shouldn't be worrisome, unless you drink a moronic amount of it. Maybe someone else can comment on the subjective merits of the combo (though G generally combines well with just about everything).

Actually, this whole fermentation thing seems far-fetched (if something seems too good to be true...), can any knowledgeable persons vouch for the science (or provide citations)?

 

[my84firebird355]

I'm not familiar with this particularly brand name, but I assume this product contains GBL? This drug is very similar to GHB (and is metabolised into it), but has its own complications due to its chemical properties (eg. it's extremely corrosive). I would also advise against drinking any formula that is being sold as a cleaning product, as often you will have a lot of other chemicals mixed in with it which are going to cause problems in their own right.

Im not sure if its gbl or ghb, to be honest but its def. one of the two and you are def right that there are other chemicals in it so in light of harm reduction I would like to retract my idea as it probably is no where near good for you and there are def better ways to acquire ghb or gbl. I only said it due to the ease of getting it. sorry bout that lol.

 

[crazycatman]

GHB feels really similar to alcohol. An experienced user would be able to tell the difference, but if you've never had any the 'GHB feels like alcohol' Is a good one. Also be careful mixing them, this is how people have died before (tho I doubt his cider has all that much GHB)

 

[crazycatman]

btw, I'm guessing your friend did something like that - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...der-with-Apple-Juice-and-Monosodium-Glutamate

 

[DrugOmen]

to me personally GHB feels more energetic and much much more euphoric. it also feels like a really relaxed MDMA high for me, but it could be that when i was using a lot of ghb i used while rolling too.

 

[Supeudol]

GHB is non-toxic and and a miracle drug to me in waysif you are taking Pure GHB Powder, its far more safer than Alcohol and leaves no toxic metabolites as it metabolizes in the body into carbon dioxide + water. Unlike Alcohol, which is basically like a poison to the body.

The only problem with GHB is its steep dose response curve, and stupid people mixing other CNS Depressants especially Alcohol + GHB = Death. And for people calling it a date rape drug, fuck that, and fuck you.
Alcohol is the #1 Date Rape Drug in the world. Gin used to be labeled as "panty remover".

I've used Pure GHB Powder for years, and have had my share of addiction with it as well with liquid ghb/gbl mix, with 24/7 dosing... the withdrawals can be pretty harsh if you fall into a 24/7 dosing pattern. But the w/d from GHB usually resolves itself within a few days to a week. Benzodiazepine withdrawal is far worse than GHB w/d IMO, and I have done pretty much every downer there is out there. I'm all about GHB and other CNS Depressants, I don't like stimulants cause I suffer bad from Anxiety/Panic/Depression.

Pure 99%-100% GHB Powder is very euphoric to me, has a slower onset than GBL, music sounds WAY better on GHB than it does on Alcohol, and G is also the best drug for sex you can get, thats for sure.
Please try and avoid GBL, I know people on BL here claim GBL is exactly the same as GHB, but no, its not, there is a difference in onset, intoxication feeling, and GBL can also cause metabolic acidosis in rare cases. GBL also carries a far worse addiction/dependence & withdrawal than GHB does. I find GHB to be much "cleaner" than Alcohol, and I always know what I am doing on G unless I have taken like 4-5 grams for a knockout to get to sleep.

I just stick to GHB Powder now. If its liquid, forget it.

 

[Renz Envy]

^ Nice experience. I'm pretty much on the same boat as you there. Its stigma as a date rape drug is awful. It is better described as liquid ecstasy.

 

[Foreigner]

Renz... thank you for the info, I appreciate it.

I agree that someone who drank too much vodka is just as much of an urgent case as someone who might have done too much G. Sorry if I came off as harsh, it's more of an experiential thing in the party scene. I have met many people who use it semi-regularly at parties and they're all alive and well. I'm just saying that when it goes wrong, it goes wrong fast and sometimes it's hard for people to know that intervention is needed. A lot of the first aid cases I've seen with G were brought in because vomit was observed, but if someone is having depressed breathing or another problem that shows less outward signs it could be problematic.

Anyway... at the end of the day it's just a drug like any other and with smart use I'm sure it can work fine. It's prob more economical too than buying all those litres of alcohol.

 

[damo_463]

filthy dirty drug made from tar and bug remover. U cudnt pay me to take it

 

[Brandasaur]

The fermentation of 2.5g of msg in a bottle of grape juice and yeast got me a clear euphoric drunk off of one glass. Very pleasant experience

 

[crazycatman]

GHB is non-toxic and and a miracle drug to me in waysif you are taking Pure GHB Powder, its far more safer than Alcohol and leaves no toxic metabolites as it metabolizes in the body into carbon dioxide + water. Unlike Alcohol, which is basically like a poison to the body.

The only problem with GHB is its steep dose response curve, and stupid people mixing other CNS Depressants especially Alcohol + GHB = Death. And for people calling it a date rape drug, fuck that, and fuck you.
Alcohol is the #1 Date Rape Drug in the world. Gin used to be labeled as "panty remover".

I've used Pure GHB Powder for years, and have had my share of addiction with it as well with liquid ghb/gbl mix, with 24/7 dosing... the withdrawals can be pretty harsh if you fall into a 24/7 dosing pattern. But the w/d from GHB usually resolves itself within a few days to a week. Benzodiazepine withdrawal is far worse than GHB w/d IMO, and I have done pretty much every downer there is out there. I'm all about GHB and other CNS Depressants, I don't like stimulants cause I suffer bad from Anxiety/Panic/Depression.

Pure 99%-100% GHB Powder is very euphoric to me, has a slower onset than GBL, music sounds WAY better on GHB than it does on Alcohol, and G is also the best drug for sex you can get, thats for sure.
Please try and avoid GBL, I know people on BL here claim GBL is exactly the same as GHB, but no, its not, there is a difference in onset, intoxication feeling, and GBL can also cause metabolic acidosis in rare cases. GBL also carries a far worse addiction/dependence & withdrawal than GHB does. I find GHB to be much "cleaner" than Alcohol, and I always know what I am doing on G unless I have taken like 4-5 grams for a knockout to get to sleep.

I just stick to GHB Powder now. If its liquid, forget it.

Pretty much agree with this.

And even the overdosing problems could be avoided. Only reasons it happens that easily is because a visually small amount of liquid/powder can have strong effects. What a lot of people do with GHB is the equivalent of chugging a bottle of vodka at once and not expecting problems. An amount appropriate for your tolerance will not give you an overdose. If you can't do that, just add half a gram or so to drinks and sell them as an alcohol alternative. You'll be able to get a nice buzz going on and unless you really try on purpose won't overdose.

As far as date rape goes, well scum bags will find ways to do that anyway. Hell you can just give a girl drinks which mask the taste of alcohol and achieve the same effect without any illegal drugs (happened to me a few times by accident, except that I helped get her home safely instead of doing anything bad to her).

 

[TheWikkidOne]

GHB is non-toxic and and a miracle drug to me in waysif you are taking Pure GHB Powder, its far more safer than Alcohol and leaves no toxic metabolites as it metabolizes in the body into carbon dioxide + water. Unlike Alcohol, which is basically like a poison to the body.

The only problem with GHB is its steep dose response curve, and stupid people mixing other CNS Depressants especially Alcohol + GHB = Death. And for people calling it a date rape drug, fuck that, and fuck you.
Alcohol is the #1 Date Rape Drug in the world. Gin used to be labeled as "panty remover".

I've used Pure GHB Powder for years, and have had my share of addiction with it as well with liquid ghb/gbl mix, with 24/7 dosing... the withdrawals can be pretty harsh if you fall into a 24/7 dosing pattern. But the w/d from GHB usually resolves itself within a few days to a week. Benzodiazepine withdrawal is far worse than GHB w/d IMO, and I have done pretty much every downer there is out there. I'm all about GHB and other CNS Depressants, I don't like stimulants cause I suffer bad from Anxiety/Panic/Depression.

Pure 99%-100% GHB Powder is very euphoric to me, has a slower onset than GBL, music sounds WAY better on GHB than it does on Alcohol, and G is also the best drug for sex you can get, thats for sure.
Please try and avoid GBL, I know people on BL here claim GBL is exactly the same as GHB, but no, its not, there is a difference in onset, intoxication feeling, and GBL can also cause metabolic acidosis in rare cases. GBL also carries a far worse addiction/dependence & withdrawal than GHB does. I find GHB to be much "cleaner" than Alcohol, and I always know what I am doing on G unless I have taken like 4-5 grams for a knockout to get to sleep.

I just stick to GHB Powder now. If its liquid, forget it.

I couldn't agree more. Fuck the alcohol industry and their lobbyists who got it pushed through with Rohypnol as a 'date-rape drug' in the mid-90's. Baclofen and a strong benzo (Xanax) also make for a perfect, overnight and easy withdrawal for ppl who want to use it all day (~16/7) imho.

Just know your concentration if in liquid, beware the steep dose/resp curve, and never drink with it or throw CNS depressants into the mix and you'll b fine. It's actually rather healthy, holds anti-aging properties in your brain and body, promotes REM sleep, and gives oxygen to your organs. But that's common knowledge at this point (I would hope).

 

[bronson]

Since the post being replied to is around three months old, and nothing of significant harm reduction value is being added, I'm going to go ahead and close this. PM any questions.

If there are remaining issues you do still wish to discuss that you feel are appropriate for BDD, feel free to start a new thread.