Opioids How much codeine to take while on methdadone?

[mr. red]

I'm a 200lb male who's been on 80 mg of 'done daily for months, what's an appropriate dose of codeine to take to feel a nice relaxing high. Or will I even get high off codeine if I'm on methadone?

 

[sl1p609]

take anywhere from 60 - 150mgs of codeine w/o APAP and you will feel a really nice buzzzzzzzzz . . .

i have done it personally

>havoc>

 

[-Guido-]

Your not going to get high on Codiene if you are on Methadone. You shouldn't be getting high if you are on Methadone to begin with.

 

[mrflowers00]

No!

 

[Mass08]

No amount of codeine can get you high if you are stabilized on Methadone.

 

[fullbird]

^^^Really? The whole point of being on methadone is that you abstain from other opioids.

Abstain. I don't think any amount of codeine will overpower chronic methadone intake.

On a side note, if you are at a clinic, it shouldn't be hard to get your dose increased and a get a buzz for a few days....

 

[RedRum OG]

Codeine is like the weakest goddamn opiate widely available besides maybe kratom/mitragyna, and methadone is the most hardcore IMHO

You'll die from the apap before you even feel anything, besides being able to feel something with 80mg methadone in your system daily would take astronomical doses

 

[mr. red]

It was pure Codeine and I had an allergic reaction to a filler in those pills and got hives everywhere..not cool.

 

[Tommyboy]

It was pure Codeine and I had an allergic reaction to a filler in those pills and got hives everywhere..not cool.

Do you mean you ended up taking some just now and that happened, or was that a past experience?

Codeine is notorious for it's bad histamine release so it might not have been the filler in the pills that caused the hives, and may have in fact been the codeine causing it.

80mg of methadone is considered a blockade dose, so even if you have a more potent opiate chances are that you still wouldn't be able to get high off of it. As for how codeine stacks up compared to other opiates/opioids, this chart is a general guideline for that. It is for oral consumption unless otherwise specified, and it takes into account the bioavailabilities of the drugs. Some say that their is a ceiling dose for codeine, but I think that it is under debate.

 

[Znegative]

Your not going to get high on Codiene if you are on Methadone. You shouldn't be getting high if you are on Methadone to begin with.

I agree with this post.

First off, you won't get high on codeine on a blocking dose of methadone. When I was on 70mg of methadone and up, I couldn't even get high off of IV heroin, or even more methadone! Don't waste your time or put your health in jeopardy.

Secondly, you should just stick with the methadone, take it from me. I made a big mistake using on top of my dose. I now start to feel like shit by the end of the day if I don't shoot some heroin, and I can't tell you how angry I am for getting myself in this situation, especially when I find these days that methadone gives me a more satisfying feeling anyway.

 

[sekio]

Methadone is so much more potent than codeine that if you take codeine all you will feel is the e.g. histamine release (no pleasant high).
On 80mg of methadone you would (in theory) need almost 800-900mg codeine to catch a nod. At that level the side effects will be unbearable, so dont try it.

If you detoxed from 'done but still had a decent tolerance I would suggest starting at ~200mg codeine and going from there. Generally around 0.8-1mg/lb should be enough to feel something pleasant.
The "rule of thumb" is oral codeine is about 1/10 the strength of IV morphine, milligram for milligram. Codeine is about 1/10 to 1/15 as strong as methadone, and is considred to have a "ceiling" at about 400mg where its not actually any more effective adding more to the dose.

 

[Znegative]

^right.

But at 80mg, your methadone is almost certainly going to achieve the blocking effect, and if it does, nothing is going to get you stoned, unless you lower your tolerance considerably (like below 60mg). Even then, it would be impossible to get anything out of codeine. Also, aside from Codeine's ceiling effect, there isn't really any easy way of calculating an equivalent dosage of an acute, short acting opiate to a chronic dose of methadone, and if there is, it would be pretty complicated I imagine.

See, methadone has a half life somewhere between 24-48 hours, so when you take a constant dose everyday for months, it builds up on itself over a period of time (1-2 weeks) and then stabilizes-but still, the amount of methadone that is actually in your blood is much higher than your daily dosage (possibly 2x what you take).

Have you used since you've been on the program? Since you've been on this dose? If not, PLEasE listen to me when I beg you to NOT waste your money, and forget about that dope induced warmth that got you hooked in the first place, because its a thing of the past.

And one last thing, I don't care what anyone says, there is no such thing as 'breaking through the methadone'.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^right.

But at 80mg, your methadone is almost certainly going to achieve the blocking effect, and if it does, nothing is going to get you stoned, unless you lower your tolerance considerably (like below 60mg). Even then, it would be impossible to get anything out of codeine. Also, aside from Codeine's ceiling effect, there isn't really any easy way of calculating an equivalent dosage of an acute, short acting opiate to a chronic dose of methadone, and if there is, it would be pretty complicated I imagine.

See, methadone has a half life somewhere between 24-48 hours, so when you take a constant dose everyday for months, it builds up on itself over a period of time (1-2 weeks) and then stabilizes-but still, the amount of methadone that is actually in your blood is much higher than your daily dosage (possibly 2x what you take).

Have you used since you've been on the program? Since you've been on this dose? If not, PLEasE listen to me when I beg you to NOT waste your money, and forget about that dope induced warmth that got you hooked in the first place, because its a thing of the past.

And one last thing, I don't care what anyone says, there is no such thing as 'breaking through the methadone'.

True words, man. I've found through the years that a lot of addicts have literally no clue as to the blocking effect of methadone.. they think that only goes for suboxone and that being on done means they can be well and shoot as much dope as they want... Sorry, not the case. Hah. Unless you're on a tiny little dose of methadone, that shit is going to put up a stone wall and whatever "rush" you're expecting from your shot is just going to be stopped flat.

 

[morphonorconic]

I concurr with the moderators on this one. Repeated daily administration of 80mg of methadone will have your receptors saturated and your tolerance very high. Considering codeine's mild potency and ceiling dose, there is very little likelyhood that any amount you take will breakthrough and give you any kind of high. A substantial dose of a potent opioid has the potential to breakthrough that level of methadone blockade, but certainly not codeine. And risk of overdose becomes very high when people take colossal amounts of said opiate trying to get high while stabilized on high dose methadone. Have you not seen Trainspotting?

Just to reiterate- you're on MMT. It's in your best interest to adhere to your committment.

 

[Tony Williams]

Actually I would agree however my mate is on stablised BUPE @ 16mg!

The day after he did codiene for pain (kidney stones) and yeah he said it worked alright. However it was for geniune pain.


One factor is although youve an opi tolerence you have a mild tolerence to each one.

Maybe drop your methadone dose to 40-50 and then ontop. Codiene is alot weaker and has less holding power. In my experience I've became immune to opiates unlesss it's IV'ed and meth/morphine or stronger

Maybe save the Codiene? for pain relief for you or someone else. Seriously. Imagine if one day you were 50hrs out of methadone and feeling like killing a monkey?

 

[Tommyboy]

Trying to get high off of codeine when you are on 80mg of methadone is like an alcoholic that drinks a bottle of bacardi 151 each night trying to get drunk off of a wine cooler. It's not going to happen.

 

[BlueHues]

Trying to get high off of codeine when you are on 80mg of methadone is like an alcoholic that drinks a bottle of bacardi 151 each night trying to get drunk off of a wine cooler. It's not going to happen.

Well put....

I wouldn't even consider codeine a viable option to get high under any circumstances, let alone on 80mgs of methadone!
Like everone else said, there's just no way to get through that dose with codeine!

You can get through 80 with enough IV heroin, but even then it's not like you're really "high" on dope in the true sense.....You're better off waiting 24-36 hours if you have to fuck around and use on top of methadone....

The only time I eveer really got high on opiates while on high-dose MMT was if I used a bunch of cocaine and then did a large dose of IV Heroin afterwards....On suboxone, I always wanted to get high on other opiates. On methadone, my cravings weren't ever that bad on a dose that high....

 

[jeng1128]

Agreed with everyone!! Im on 33mgs of methadone daily & theres no way I could ever feel codine let alone catch a nod from it. I agree with ZNegitive the point of Methadone is to get your life back on track & to STOP using opiates. Even when I wasnt on meth before heroin & just did percs I still couldnt get high off codine. By 80mgs meth blocks pretty much every opiate so dont waste your time,money,health,ect. You got on meth to stop using I assume. There was a reason that you got on methadone so try to stay clean. Its totally worth it in the end!!

 

[Znegative]

You can get through 80 with enough IV heroin, but even then it's not like you're really "high" on dope in the true sense.....You're better off waiting 24-36 hours if you have to fuck around and use on top of methadone....

Yeah, when I was on blocking doses of methadone, I would strangely still be able to feel a rush from IV heroin, but after the rush ended, there was no euphoria to speak of, and I've shot up a bundle within an hour or less trying to get that high back-which needless to say, I never did.

Even on dosages that don't block, which IME are under 60mg, unless you get really good heroin or strong pharmaceuticals (not like codeine, opiates just don't feel the same. I stupidly chased the high for months, after getting on the program and maintaining a relatively low dose for maintenance (at first I stayed on 30mg, went up to 40 after two months, and then about three months ago went up to 50-FYI, I never noticed any difference in how other opiates effected me within this range. Shooting dope on 30mg feels the same as it does on top of 50mg, and in fact it may feel weaker).

With the exceptions of a few really good bags of powder, for the most part I always feel like I wasted my money. In the last two months I have been getting really great heroin, but STILL, who cares? If you continue to use on top of methadone, you will feel withdrawal symptoms if you suddenly just try and quit and go back to your once a day dose.

It's honestly almost better to not be on methadone at all (if you plan to use on top of it) because you're just raising your tolerance, draining your wallet, and not even getting a high that does much anymore, unless you spend a ludicrous amount of money, and risk an overdose.

EDIT//
I also just want to point out for the record that I don't want anyone to misconstrue my post here, or anyone else telling you codeine is "too weak". Using stronger opiates will not give you the high your looking for, even if you wait a few days-you'll pretty much only get some relief from withdrawals (which can be mistaken sadly for 'euphoria').

 

[BlueHues]

^I agree for the most part....The last time I was on methadone, the doc wouldn't raise me above 40 because I couldn't stop using benzos...at that point, summer 2011, I was using so much 40 wouldn't hold me for more than 12 hours or so and I ended up doing both everyday for a few weeks...Then I got kicked off methadone, then rehab...If you hover around 40 or 50 and try to do the now infamous "Once a week heroin thing" it all fucks up eventually...You either have to raise your dose or stop using the H...

Codeine will get you high if you're not already addicted to other opiates....if codeine makes you happy, do codeine...I mean quit codeine, but don't trade up to heroin!...It's all the same in the end..