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Is E different than it used to be, or have I changed?

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I don't know if it's me, or if something has changed with the product but I haven't had anything close to the great experiences I have had in the past. The stuff actually appears to test positive, but the experiences are not what they used to be. Anyone else have this experience? Is there hope that its not me, and I just have a bad hookup? I am in the NYC area, where you would think the e would be the best, so I don't know what gives.
 
I overdid it when I was younger and now MDMA doesn't work on me. My best guess is that the serotonin tree re-grew differently, and downregulates more quickly when exposed to MDMA. Whatever the reason, it doesn't work on me now. Could explain your experience as well.
 
I would love to try some E pills today. I am sure that the chemical has not changed...just the preception of the drug and what users are looking to get out of the experience. I hear all the time people saying that they got great test results an only rolled for 2 hours.

back when I rolled we would take a pill at 10PM and come up 20-30 min later then roll hard until 3AM then a come down until 4-4:30AM then another half hour of tying to keep the roll alive by smoking weed and doing whippets. 5-6 hours from start to finish...I can't believe that people only roll for 2 hrs.

the drug has not changed just the perception of the drug. it will be interesting to see, if I ever get to try MDMA again, if my perception of the drug has changed after beong away from it for so long.
 
Possible just the stuff you are getting these days. Its really controversal, many say that it has changed others argue that it hasn't. Could be due to a tolerance, since some have been doing this for many years. The procedure itself has changed, but I guess the chemical still remains. As many have stated MDMA = MDMA. No matter what is used to make it.. Hope this helps.
 
I'd say it has something to do with how MDMA I'd produced in mainly clandestine settings. Where-as ketamine and RC's are being produced for wholesale during late night shifts in Chinese/Indian factories.

If you have a good supplier the MDMA has been the same for years. It is more or less just the person consuming. I do t think MDMA goes through nearly the amount of hands that say cocaine would. But then again I'm not going into distribution of drugs, because that isn't what blue light is here for.
 
I just feel that there could be many factors in the actual synthesis of MDMA which could lead it to be of lesser quality than other batches. I could be just thinking crazy ideas, but precursors, lab cleanliness, the chemist, quality of precursors, time allotted for synthesis, and funding. I might be crazy asking this question but isnt it difficult to know which isomer is prevalent In a synthesis while producing?

Edit: also legislation and laws that surround MDMA synthesis could be factors as to how much of a shit the chemist gives In being rigorous about the synthesis.

Edit: my ideas are concerning batches of close to 84% purity that yield different psychoactive results in trials of use.
 
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if your argument is "this could be the case" then you're implicitly also arguing that "this could not be the case". if something might happen then it also might not happen. objectively, it's not much of an argument is all i'm saying.

what do you mean, specifically, by mdma of "lesser quality"?

alasdair
 
Hmm, see I dont really ever get that philosophical In thought, but you are right.

I'm just talking about batches of MDMA that seem more potent than others even though both are relatively close to 84% purity.

My background isn't chemistry, but these are just assumptions I have made to maybe trick myself into certain ways of thought.

IMO I suppose there are probably some larger scale MDMA labs, I just assume that most are clandestine because of laws in certain areas.

Here is an idea that one of my close friends and I debated. When people discuss how Dutch pills/MDMA are of the best quality do you think that is because the Dutch are the only people who have the synthesis on lock, or is it that more chemist are less afraid of their mandatory minimum sentences than say a chemist producing in China or India? I think a lot of the trade goes way beyond the product and synthesis, but that is probably looking into it too In depthly.

If someone asked my opinion on MDMA potency, my .02 would be that a surpluss of high quality MDMA exist in the Netherlands, but a more refined product is synthesized elsewhere behind closed doors in Europe. Again just my .02 not trying to argue or get into source discussion. :/
 
^ mdma is, broadly speaking, illegal and, hence, the production is clandestine. that makes it hard to get accurate, reliable information on manufacture and supply. take my questions at face value - i was just trying to analyse the value of your source (of information).

i agree with you that there are many variables which affect the mdma manufacturing process but, in the grand scheme, mdma is a moderate synthesis (in terms of difficulty) and it's my gut reaction (nothing more) that individual factors often have as mcuh if not far more to do with the experience than the 'quality' of the product (assuming it is - or at least contains - mdma). just my opinion based on personal experience.
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I'm just talking about batches of MDMA that seem more potent than others even though both are relatively close to 84% purity.
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how are you testing the purity?

i'll be honest. whenever i see this 84% figure, i just roll my eyes...

alasdair
 
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alasdairm said:
i agree with you that there are many variables which affect the mdma manufacturing process but, in the grand scheme, mdma is a moderate synthesis (in terms of difficulty) and it's my gut reaction (nothing more) that individual factors often have as mcuh if not far more to do with the experience than the 'quality' of the product (assuming it is - or at least contains - mdma). just my opinion based on personal experience.
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I speculate a lot, so don't take the information I present as fact.

I wish that there were more information out there about the quality of MDMA from region to region.

All that I am really aware of is information available from the DEA via open information act from ecstasy tablets and powder/crystalline MDMA being seized.

Dance safe and Ecstasy Data provide a pretty non-biased archive of dated testings and DEA information.

I guess without proper testing a person would just be going on word of mouth about the quality from the supplier.

Personally I think street level distribution is dangerous, but I think divulging information from other sources about the quality of MDMA from different regions might be incrimination to some degree for the person collecting the information.
 
Mmm...there defo is a difference in quality of MDMA. It can be really clean pure, or a little dirty (more drunkish vision). I got some higher quality stuff and what I really noticed was zero comedown the next week.

In Europe circa 90s, the pills were MDMA + MDEA and amphet - even some MDA in there maybe. They were stronger, lasted longer. Now, I see pure MDMA pills mostly, which do differ from eachother (I presume the quality and purity of the MDMA) - they have quite a short 1/2 life too, 2 hours max. I'd prefer more duration, I'm going to do some Red Bull next roll see if that makes a dif.
 
In my opinion: Much more to do with "loss of magic" and serotonin receptor down regulation than quality of tested, confirmed MDxx.
 
JimSteele said:
In my opinion: Much more to do with "loss of magic" and serotonin receptor down regulation than quality of tested, confirmed MDxx.
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I don't know man...I have seen people new to the scene say it only lasts 2-3 hours. I think that the rave/club/drug culture has changed to the point that the rollers today think that the peak is the experience and are missing the rest.

most of the people in my day seemed to think that it was their job to make sure that other people were having more fun than they were. I know that is how I played it. I don't get that vibe from the people today.
 
I'm new to the scene since June 2012, and tbh all my rolls lasted max 3 hours, sometimes a bit less, and only Once I had a full on 4h roll (that was when I took a full tablet of dark chocolate and ate a box of blueberries few hours before dosing, was my 2nd roll and waited 5 weeks).

All on crystal MDMA 80%+ pure and dutch ~120mg pills. Today's scene is just about getting fucked up on something, whether it's real MDMA or not, the average joe doesn't cares as far as you get fucked up.
 
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I don't know man...I have seen people new to the scene say it only lasts 2-3 hours. I think that the rave/club/drug culture has changed to the point that the rollers today think that the peak is the experience and are missing the rest.

most of the people in my day seemed to think that it was their job to make sure that other people were having more fun than they were. I know that is how I played it. I don't get that vibe from the people today.
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Totally agree! Thats still the vibe in the underground scene. Much more experience centered, while the drug is an aid to the experience... meeting new people, dancing, not caring how you look, making sure others are having a blast, appreciating the behind the scenes work of rave crews in setting up awesome events, underground/underappreciated musical/artistic talent...Not so much at these mainstream events.

Surroundings play a huge role. There are very few environments in which i am willing to take mdma these days.

My statement was based strictly on the intoxication aspect. But yeah, the scene has changed, definitely impacting the quality of experience in a significant way.
 
Hapomen22 said:
I'm new to the scene since June 2012, and tbh all my rolls lasted max 3 hours, sometimes a bit less, and only Once I had a full on 4h roll (that was when I took a full tablet of dark chocolate and ate a box of blueberries few hours before dosing, was my 2nd roll and waited 5 weeks).

All on crystal MDMA 80%+ pure and dutch ~120mg pills. Today's scene is just about getting fucked up on something, whether it's real MDMA or not, the average joe doesn't cares as far as you get fucked up.
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Agreed, too many care more about the high than the actual time spent around others and in your environment. And ime this lead many to new and different horizons of harder drugs, chasing the high, the feeling...
 
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