IamMe90
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I don't really find them similar at all. If anything, it's more reminiscent of the NBOMe class, but more gentle with a longer plateau and less body load.
The Big & Dandy DOC Thread (Part 2)
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No, there shouldn't be any problematic interactions with DOC and suboxone. If anything the sub will just add an opiate haze to the experience, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
By the way, you can edit your posts by pressing the "edit" button, rather than making new posts for spelling and grammar a corrections.
By the way, you can edit your posts by pressing the "edit" button, rather than making new posts for spelling and grammar a corrections.
well, they are very different.... at least in my experience, and not ever pushing the doses with either too high, i rarely get any similar vibe from them. maybe one might ocnsider them to have somewhat similar bodyloads (as in, they have little). or that they may give similar visuals (but then thats more to each persons reaction rather then the chemical itself).
i would and do treat them as completely different experiences.
SONN
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If I need to mix DOC into a solution and I don't have access to vodka or pure ethanol at the moment could I just put a little bit of listerine in some water and use that as solution? (listerine has alcohol in it)
IamMe90
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you really can't find someone to buy you some vodka? I don't know how it works and wouldn't feel comfortable suggesting listerine to you.
pharmakos
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listerine sounds like a bad idea, yeah.
do you have any form of saline around? like eye contact solution or saline nasal spray. that stays sterile for longer. saline is just salt water btw. might be able to make your own, but idk how much salt you would put in the water or anything.
do you have any form of saline around? like eye contact solution or saline nasal spray. that stays sterile for longer. saline is just salt water btw. might be able to make your own, but idk how much salt you would put in the water or anything.
~NaStYNaI~
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ok,so i gave my lil review of this wonderful delight of a shulgin masterpiece discovery..and now i have a question about still experiencing tracers almost a week or two after my two sessions with the DOC,it seems more noticeable after smoking weed.but i get tracers from anything that moves past my view(how tracers do)..but their not bright or anything.I did smoke some caapi vine the day after the last session a few times with my fine ass ganja.could these tracers be the result of the maoi causing more of this phen to be in my system longer or something??it doesnt bother me,so its not interupting my quality of life,so thats good.
Anybody have any input?
and also i will be receiving 60mg of this chem and i have no milligram scale.i have a 10mL amber eyedropper bottle and a 30mL amber bottle.I want to honestly only take ~30mg and use it in a solution.I figure halving the quantity i receive iff the bat and putting in solution wil be better off than trying to eyeball this chem(Ive eyeballed every chem ive tried with no*knock on wood*bad/rough times) but i will never eyeball this one.So i wana halve it put in solution.store the other half for future exploration.of course..and i want to be able to have each drop betewwn 300-500mcg..i prefer to have a starting drop/dose in the submilligram level..maybe even possibly 200mcg..YEA that sounds WAYY better,i really like exploring minute-small doses in everyday situations.
any suggestions?VERY MUCH APPRECIATED..oh and i currently have only tap water of course and 97% isopropyl alcohol.which if used for solution will be dosed on paper or something and dried before dosing.I am over 21,but i have no money for booze believe it or not.
Anybody have any input?
and also i will be receiving 60mg of this chem and i have no milligram scale.i have a 10mL amber eyedropper bottle and a 30mL amber bottle.I want to honestly only take ~30mg and use it in a solution.I figure halving the quantity i receive iff the bat and putting in solution wil be better off than trying to eyeball this chem(Ive eyeballed every chem ive tried with no*knock on wood*bad/rough times) but i will never eyeball this one.So i wana halve it put in solution.store the other half for future exploration.of course..and i want to be able to have each drop betewwn 300-500mcg..i prefer to have a starting drop/dose in the submilligram level..maybe even possibly 200mcg..YEA that sounds WAYY better,i really like exploring minute-small doses in everyday situations.
any suggestions?VERY MUCH APPRECIATED..oh and i currently have only tap water of course and 97% isopropyl alcohol.which if used for solution will be dosed on paper or something and dried before dosing.I am over 21,but i have no money for booze believe it or not.
~NaStYNaI~
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OH YEA..AND THIS IS TO THE ADMINISTRATORS/MODERATORS..WHY CAN I NOT VIEW "THE OLD AND OVERGROWN DOC THREAD(FIXED)"????...i can view any other thread bit not that one..im sad
donvliet
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You need a milligram scale to know how much DOC you are putting into solution. Otherwise you still don't know how much you are dosing.
~NaStYNaI~
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yea i completely get that.that y i said i want to calculate it roughly so that one drop or a certain ammunt can equal between 200-500mcg..that way i can have a dose that can be absolutely no higher than either 200 or 500..do u understand what im trying to say??..look i know eyeballing is dangerous,but if i half the amount i will receive..it will obviously be roughly 30mg...so ~20-40mg...ok...i take that amount and do liquid dosing and have a range form the original rough starting dosage of ~20-40mg...or i guess just dissolve the whole 60mg...but i personally feel absolutley comfortable halving my amount and doing a rough calculation..so that a starting dose is in the mcg range
if anybody is willing to help me out i greatly appreciate,and of course accept my own full responsibility for whatever i choose to do
mozokev
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I think what donvliet was trying to say is that even if you order 60mg of DOC, you really don't know how much you are getting, considering that many vendors will overweigh their orders. Just get a scale, it's not worth it.
pharmakos
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with new batches you should always titrate your dose upwards from a small dose anyway. sure, there is a chance that the vendor weighed your order over, or that he accidentally gave you a different chemical. starting with very small doses and working your way up will help to alleviate some of the risks of these scenarios though, even if you don't have a way to confirm the weight of your original baggie.
if you make your vial without weighing your powder first, start with what should be a .5mg dose (or smaller). even if the vendor messed up and gave you 10x what you ordered, that would still only be a 5mg dose (which would be intense, but manageable).
if you can't confirm weight/potency, always start with a very low dose.
if you make your vial without weighing your powder first, start with what should be a .5mg dose (or smaller). even if the vendor messed up and gave you 10x what you ordered, that would still only be a 5mg dose (which would be intense, but manageable).
if you can't confirm weight/potency, always start with a very low dose.
you can't just just split a pile of powder in half and think its close to even. how do you even know for sure that your original amount is even what you think it is without a scale. DOC is not a chem to mess around with eyeballing. there's goddamn guides to make your own microgram scale on the internet. you should not be handling this chem if you can't be patient enough to get a scale.
~NaStYNaI~
Bluelighter
so ive asked the sender to give me the weights of everything hes sending me.hes adament about the weightsand says he's reweighed the stuff many times..okso..it willbe 62-63mg DOC..my solution will be ISO alcohol...ive decided to first try and borrow a friends scale..with that said i was going to only use 10mg for my amber 10mL bottle...so 1mg/mL...that way i can use an oral syringe and use the .2ml markings to measure 200mcg for every .2mL
I may use less chemical to put in solution.I like to b able to dose anywhere between 200mcg or as high as 2mg,so thats y i think a 10mg/mL or less solution wud be just wat i need
But i really DO need to know if ISO alcohol is ok to use...or possibly maybe even diluting it a bit...25%h2O/75% ISO.....will this be OK????
I may use less chemical to put in solution.I like to b able to dose anywhere between 200mcg or as high as 2mg,so thats y i think a 10mg/mL or less solution wud be just wat i need
But i really DO need to know if ISO alcohol is ok to use...or possibly maybe even diluting it a bit...25%h2O/75% ISO.....will this be OK????
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