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Skin Health in the Sun

what manner of tanning did you do in your 20's? like, did you get burnt a lot, or did you gradually build up from proper base tans?

Would still really love to see ppl source for their claims that it is/isn't that bad if you build up a tan properly. I mean, through the majority of our evolution, that's how it went and what we evolved according to - and i doubt sunburns were so common way back when as i imagine them to be largely a function of how shelter has changed us. I dunno, this is an area i'm admittedly naive as hell in.
/plz don't make me have to research myself :|
 
....you're french canadian / indian?? is it canadian-indian?
my ex fiance, the love of my life, was(well, "is") french canadian / canadian indian, english as second language, canadian citizen.

anyways i did the tanning bed thing for a period during college but don't think i ever got into it long enough to cause much harm (hopefully not). really hope people in the know on melanotan/skin cancer/etc can elaborate further on this stuff.
 
First nation people Mi’kmaq to be precise. I am a small percentage of that I jumped on the bandwagon to become a off reservation member after my uncle did a family tree in hopes to relieve me of my student loans years ago. English is my first language. I am Canadian. My mother is french.

I liked the tanning beds for the minimal time spent for maximum effect and no tan lines. I do not enjoy laying out in the sun. Boring.
 
sunscreen, all forms, are cancerous and should be avoided. The rise in skin cancer is primarly due to use of sunscreen/suntan lotions. They are full of dodgey chemicals. Not only that but they destroy the ecosystem in which you enjoy so much when they get in the sand/water, which is inevitable.]

In relation to the 'long slow tanning' buzz. Well, you are right in the when humans adapt to things slowly it is alot healthier. But, getting a tan is not healthy. A tan is quite literally damage to your skin, it is a scar. I look down on people with tans in all honesty. I think of them as naive idiots who are stupid enough to mutilate there body to 'look better'. I live in NZ where the ozone doesnt exist, UV exposure here is higher than most places in the world(even alot of africa). Our skin cancer rate, accordingly, is one of if not the most highest in the world, too.

My simple solution, as a white person living in an essentially african environment, sun wise, is to wear a physical barrier. I rarely go outside without long sleeved clothing on. In summer, shade is sought after, and if i go to the beach, i try and limit myself to exposure by putting a towel over me, or wearing light clothing. My forearms are really the only thing that have experienced 'excessive tanning' which is probably far less than what you would consider excessive.

I havnt had sunburn in years, mostly because i just avoid the sun from 10am-2pm and by following what i have already mentioned.
 
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as i started reading, my mind screamed "citations needed". I continued for a brief moment, then noticed the username. did not finish the post :|
 
moonyham said:
sunscreen, all forms, are cancerous and should be avoided. The rise in skin cancer is primarly due to use of sunscreen/suntan lotions. They are full of dodgey chemicals. Not only that but they destroy the ecosystem in which you enjoy so much when they get in the sand/water, which is inevitable.]

In relation to the 'long slow tanning' buzz. Well, you are right in the when humans adapt to things slowly it is alot healthier. But, getting a tan is not healthy. A tan is quite literally damage to your skin, it is a scar. I look down on people with tans in all honesty. I think of them as naive idiots who are stupid enough to mutilate there body to 'look better'. I live in NZ where the ozone doesnt exist, UV exposure here is higher than most places in the world(even alot of africa). Our skin cancer rate, accordingly, is one of if not the most highest in the world, too.

My simple solution, as a white person living in an essentially african environment, sun wise, is to wear a physical barrier. I rarely go outside without long sleeved clothing on. In summer, shade is sought after, and if i go to the beach, i try and limit myself to exposure by putting a towel over me, or wearing light clothing. My forearms are really the only thing that have experienced 'excessive tanning' which is probably far less than what you would consider excessive.

I havnt had sunburn in years, mostly because i just avoid the sun from 10am-2pm and by following what i have already mentioned.
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Please provide references for your assumptions. I have trouble taking any of the ideas expressed here seriously without any scientific research to back any of it up.

bmxxx said:
as i started reading, my mind screamed "citations needed".
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Haha, we're twinsies. ;)
 
Well, heres the article about sunscreen killing our oceans, or at the very least, the beautiful parts of it:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/01/080129-sunscreen-coral.html

and heres an article just brushing on the cancer causing effects of sunscreen. Its not neccasarily JUST that the chemicals are bad, but that they make you feel safer so you stay out longer, actually causing you to be exposed to more UV and thus increasing your cancer risk:

http://news.menshealth.com/sunscreen-controvers/2012/05/19/

Do some research guys, im not your father.
 
lol men's health doesn't count.
i mean, i click your link adn the adverts are shit like "the truth about gingers", "20 dirty words you should never say to a woman" , etc..
 
bmxxx said:
lol men's health doesn't count.
i mean, i click your link adn the adverts are shit like "the truth about gingers", "20 dirty words you should never say to a woman" , etc..
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So, because a magazine doesnt focus just one one subject, everything in it is invalid? 8( people.. are... so... stupid.

If you actually read the article they are quoting/referring to studies and doctors etc who run/are apart of cancer foundations etc.

Obvious troll is obvious, i love how you completely ignore mentioning the national geographic article. Oh but i guess thats invalid, because ive seen them advertise stuff about mega structures.. and any website advertising mega structures has no authority to comment on the damaging effects of sunscreen to our environment.
 
I would like to see substantial research stating that the potential for sunscreen to cause cancer is greater than its ability to prevent sunburn, and skin cancer.

You'll forgive me for my skepticism when 99% of medical professionals and government bodies are advocating the use of sunscreen. :\

And no you're not my Father or my Mother. However the onus of proof for your considerably outweighed opinion is on you.
 
lol i wouldn't read an article from men's health (especially from a user like you) anymore than if this had been an econ discussion, and your source was full of links like "How this man made $1M in 30days".

Whatevs tho child of the beat puts it best: the onus of proof is on you. And links to fitness mag websites being your go-to is very telling.
 
Besides the fact that sunscreen kills coral reefs aswell as other marine life, I really couldnt care less that you waste time, money, and health on sunscreen.

I would much rather have ignorant idiots like you die from skin cancer than be informed, so carry on, keep slip slop slapping and see if i give a fuck.
 
We'll leave it there then, moonyham? :) You've not convinced me to look at things from your perspective in the slightest, and your name-calling has further added weight to my decision.
 
Zinc oxide undergoes an oxidative reaction when exposed to sunlight, and it's the main ingredient in most common sun screens. It's just one chemical that has not been given long-term studies. Sun screen's invention and marketed benefits are based on short term use only. It definitely blocks UV rays but at what cost? Some people will absorb these various chemicals transdermally too, and they enter the interstitial or even blood levels. Some people have thinner skin than others. I mean, things like deodorant are known to cause skin problems with long-term use in some people, so it's not far fetched to understand how slathering a chemical layer on yourself and then baking in the sun could be doing something negative.

Here is an article with scientific references to this issue:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/05/09/suncream-skin-cancer-link_n_1502237.html

Science Daily is where I nerd out on scientific findings, and this topic has been addressed (citations at bottom of article):
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120507131951.htm

Here is a public article from the Missouri University of Science and Technology:
http://news.mst.edu/2012/05/sunscreen_ingredient_may_pose.html

They originally blamed rising skin cancer rates on ozone depletion, but after the ozone layer was partially repaired due to CFC bans around the the world, they noticed the cancer rates still rising. It coincides with the widespread encouraged use of sunscreen. People didn't use this shit for hundreds of years. Back when people dressed more modestly the rates were lower, then it became fashionable to wear a g-string and bake your whole body.

Not saying the sun doesn't cause skin cancer, but that you're better off wearing something long sleeve or in the very least avoid 11am-2pm high UV index times so you don't completely obliterate your dermis.
 
Take notes moonyhams, ^that actually has me about to go click on the science daily link to read more. Regardless if your goal is to help others, or the reefs, you're not gonna accomplish shit <and are exercising futility> posting as you do.
 
Just because YOU dont believe what i say, doesnt mean others wont. And, just because YOU are so skeptical, doesnt mean others are.

Foreigner clearly knows whats up, and is a bit more dedicated to helping out the 'special kids' in the class like you. Good on you foreigner, i just cant be fucked when it comes to people like bmxx.
 
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