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Merry Pranksters..

i retract prick.

scrounged off his friends his entire life and died the same miserable alcoholic death that his father did.
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umm he was beat...
call him a joke if you wish, as you said its only your opinion and you are welcome too it...
where you do get off, what have you done in your small life thus far. please keep talking your digging yourself deeper.
 
I don't trip often, but when I do, I'd way rather trip with people like the pranksters. cause theyre awesome
 
all our lives are small mate. we all die.
im not at all interested in your life, im busy enough worrying about myself and just trying to get by in this world of insanity and madness.
i know what beat means. its a pretty simple way of life and philosophy really. not interested in arguing the literary sense of the word.
keep digging :|
 
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Delsyd said:
Cassidy did have sexual experiences with Ginsberg (so did Kerouac). But he also loved poontang.
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Oh no doubt, he was a ladies' man first and foremost. I reckon he slept with guys on the basis that he wanted to experience absolutely everything life had to offer - homosexual sex was just one of those things. He was just a spectacularly uninhibited person and that's what made him such a hero and an inspiration to people like Keroac. It also made him a complete dick in many ways, but there you go.
 
pontifex01 said:
EDIT: also laugh, how can you take seriously a piece of literature that was bashed out on a 3-week benzedrine binge? Kerouac was a joke, he got his reputation solely thanks to Burroughs, scrounged off his friends his entire life and died the same miserable alcoholic death that his father did. Again please remember, this is my personal opinion, don't call me a prick or I'll start crying this time.
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Why couldn't you take seriously a piece created that way? It's as legitimate a process as any other. Burroughs writing of Naked Lunch was just as drug addled and no less haphazard. Bear in mind as well that On the Road was very heavily edited from the original manuscript. Having said that, it's far from being one of my favourite books, and I'd take the worst of Burroughs over the best of Keroac. But far more people read Keroac today than read Burroughs, so I wouldn't call him a joke. And how Keroac behaved in his personal life has no bearing on the quality of his work. Burroughs did many truly appalling things, it doesn't make him less of a genius.
 
Roger&Me said:
Meh, Tom Wolfe totally didn't get it. The whole book centers on Kesey, who he imagined to be the driving force of the whole scene, but the lifeblood of the pranksters was really Neal Cassady... Kesey was more of a benefactor and facilitator. That key point doesn't come across at all in the book, and in fact the reader comes away from it thinking that Kesey was some type of messiah to the other pranksters. Which is far from the truth.

Of course the book is a classic, and I give it props for what it is. But accurate it is not.
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Ah,kay. Yeah, I don't want to argue that I know anything about what really happened back then. But yeah, some people who was there will probably think huge parts of that book is bullshit. But the details of interpersonal relations ships in the merry pranksters isn't all. I think the book still correctly get's across what they were all about.
For me the book is great because it tells a great story of the over all picture of how things went down in those times. It's a very good description of how the beatniks turned into something much more extreme, hippies, because of LSD. It's like a prequel to the summer of love. I think.


Roger&Me said:
"Magic trip" isn't a documentary, its the footage that was actually shot by the Pranksters on their trip across the country. The very same trip that Electric Kool Aid Acid Test talks about for the majority of the book. There are people who have literally been waiting 40+ years for that footage to be released, so mad props to Zane Kesey for getting it made into a feature film.
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Whaaaaat, I didn't know that. That's awesome. I thought the movie was some lame hollywood rendition instructed by Oliver stone, with Tome Cruise as ken kesey, or some shit.

I still think people need to read about them (Electric Kool Aid Acid Test at least;))
It's true as you say, the pranksters were technological enthusiasts, and with the movies they made of their trips was ment as moving beyond words. I still think though, that for some one who doesn't have a clue it's just going to be some random movie clips of some people tripping on a bus. There was A LOT more to it than that. Some thing's can only be conveyed by word.


sconnie420 said:
I could be wrong but I heard they're still active, although I'm sure the bus isn't in use anymore.
Wish they would come 2 my town..
I agree though, I want to read the books and watch the movies..
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@pontifex01 Old Bull Lee is the name of the fictionalised Burroughs in On the Road. The new film is well worth watching for the way Viggo Mortensen plays the part. It's absolutely spot on in every respect, especially the voice - it's actually quite uncanny. To be fair to Keroac On the Road was written in 1957, two years before Naked Lunch so if he didn't recognise Burroughs genius it was because it hadn't fully manifested itself at the stage.

I have seen the film of Naked Lunch more than once and I like it a lot. As you say, it's not really an adaptation of the book but a kind of experimental biopic about Burroughs life and work - and who better than David Cronenberg to tackle that? I do wish sometimes that someone would make one or more short films (perhaps animations) of some of the more straightforwardly narrative bits of Naked Lunch, like the section where the Sailor buys five years of a street boy's life in exchange for a piece of pure heroin, or the part where he procures 'eggs' for Fats Terminal from the Mugwumps.

And I am waaay off topic, sorry everyone.
 
^ I dig you.

Off topic in New York, off topic in Chicago, off topic in Denver... man, we posted off topic all night until that savage American sun rolled through and blessed our thread with its crazy yellow happen-stance, and still we were sleepless and rambling.
 
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prices are not allowed but its usually half to a third the price of 'ecstasy' pills. i have found LSD is usually only found in reasonably tight circles like smack is...its everywhere if you can find the circles in moves in...good luck on your quest.
 
Imagine having a tab of brown acid under your tongue at very moment that announcement came over the PA. You'd be like "fffffffffffuuuuuuuuuu-"
 
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