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The MDxx Discussion Thread Number 2

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Also 1q thats a great post, I think whilst overall ecstasy consumption may have increased, this would not indicate that more people are taking ecstasy. Perhaps people who enjoy it have it more frequently. Remember the majority of ecstasy users take it once a month one year and because the product is better the following year they take it once every 3 weeks, this would be an overall 25% increase of use.
 
Perth has been flooded with good batches lately and theres a definate increase in both how many people are using and how often. Its gone from a situation where only a tiny number of people i knew even had access to pills worth doing(perth is fucking expensive), to now where everyone in perth seems to be able to source actual good quality pills through friends. Which is to be expected and not a bad thing IMO although obviously the media will grab hold of any drug use as being bad.

The bad thing is, and what really worries me, is that friends who have only got into it since the supply and quality has been good are super naive to the risks. A mate the other day was like man this guy I know says he can get these pills which are so good they last for like 6 hours. Basically not a single person I know even knows what MDMA is.
 
Well they might be naive to the risks (which I'm sure you can educate them about getting test kits and checking pill reports), but at least they aren't going to be naive to what MDMA feels like I presume.

For a couple of years there 2009 - 2011 it looked like a new batch of clubbers would think pills/ecstasy was actually meant to be pipes/other shit instead of MDMA. I assume these were the people still buying the shit pills because all the seasoned users I know simply stopped buying and using at all.

Part of the cyclic problem of shit pills being produced and bought is each new group of users that comes along is naive as the last and likely to buy / take crap. It's generally not their fault and I don't blame them for it. I blame school drug education as it does not mention that if you are going to take ecstasy in pill or powder form you should buy a test kit!


Going to be interesting playing spot the gurner at events this summer in Perth. Hopefully there will be more than you can count on one hand not like a couple of years ago.
 
Juvenile said:
For a couple of years there 2009 - 2011 it looked like a new batch of clubbers would think pills/ecstasy was actually meant to be pipes/other shit instead of MDMA. I assume these were the people still buying the shit pills because all the seasoned users I know simply stopped buying and using at all.
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This is 100% true, I had friends get in to pills in 2010. After hearing what he had taken a mate of mine told him he could get him some actual bics that won't be so shitty. When we gave em to him he said "whats in these" my mate said "a fairly low dose of MDMA" to which he replied "I didn't know MDMA was ever put in pills?"

FOR SHAME!

But things are looking up, in recent times when I have gone clubbing in Melbourne, they're is definitely a lot more people who are on MDMA. All the right signs, dancing HARD, pupils like dinner plates, and hugging each other. I could definitely see some DnM's going on throughout the club. I'm finished with uni for the year so I can start joining in a whole lot more again. Game on team... game on =D
 
Juvenile said:
For a couple of years there 2009 - 2011 it looked like a new batch of clubbers would think pills/ecstasy was actually meant to be pipes/other shit instead of MDMA. I assume these were the people still buying the shit pills because all the seasoned users I know simply stopped buying and using at all.
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Mate this is spot on from my experience. From the period of 2009-2011 I spoke to a heap of kids around the ages of 18-20 who said they hated 'ecstasy' because it was so dirty and they didn't like the gross fucked up feeling it gave them. Instead these kids were turning to ice as they said it made them feel better...

The reason for this was that the majority of pills around that time that were being sold as 'ecstasy' were full of DXM, Pipes and other random shit that test kits couldn't even detect. I tried to explain this to a few kids, but gave up because they had never in their life had MDMA. With the recent surge in purity and availability I'm sure all of that has changed, but there certainly was a massive misconception for a while there among kids about what ecstasy and MDMA really was. The worst thing about this was I had a few kids try and tell me that pills I knew were DXM or Pipes were MD. Ignorance definitely was not bliss in this case!

This was a completely different experience from the abundance of clean and quality pills I sampled around 2007-2008 when I was their age.
 
Haha mister I couldn't figure what she was doing until the end when she picked up the glasses and tried to fit them to her foot again. Fuck me!

There does seem to be more decent pills around at the moment, in my circle in Melbourne at least. I'm thinking of taking a white F1 tonight that a friend said he'd shout me. I'm still really dubious with pills, I've had a good friend say he's had quite a few decent pills over the last couple of months but I've still avoided them and taken something else because I don't want to be disappointed. I'm interested to see how this F1 goes tonight if I decide to take it, I have a feeling it'll be ok but probably still nothing on what was around before things got grim.

Does anyone remember what year things started taking a nose dive in aus? I came here in 2006 and have only had maybe 2 or 3 pills that would pass as good since then, ive had nothing that has wowed me. i think the best would have been the red transformers or the white hearts of '08. Pills started getting unreliable in about 2005 in nz, there was still plenty of good pills around but you had to start being a little more careful about what you bought, it was about that time that I started using pillreports and lurking on here. Before 2004-05 you could pretty much guarantee anything you bought was going to be dynamite, most pills were so good that our standard dose was one pill a night taken in halves, anything weaker than that was slightly frowned upon. Pills were usually either pure MDMA or MDA and sometimes maybe a mixture of the two and sometimes there would be a bit of amp thrown in them. I had pills with what felt like K in them once, and once or twice we got what felt like MDEA or MDE. Some younger friends of mine who started dropping when the white hearts were around in '08 still rate them as the best pill ever but I didn't think all that much of them, they were ok but still kind of dirty and they definitely didnt have that magic that really good pills have. Its sad hearing young people talk about pills, the ones who like to party hard often act like they're gods gift to drug taking and spout all sorts of nonsense about what's in pills and how good they are, one guy I used to know started selling and would say stupid shit like 'it's speed based because its really amping and keeps you up all night and it also has some heroin in it because it makes you really smacked out and spaced'. When mephedrone came in he would proclaim to have caps of pure molly that he paid stupid amounts of money for thinking he had a direct line to the supplier in holland. He'd take anything that was pressed into a pretty looking pill and preach whatever crap his dealer or idiot mates had feed him like it was gospel, I corrected him a few times but he was way to caught up in his little fantasy to ever want to think the crap he was promoting was just crap. It's good when batches of nice pills come in because it gives inexperienced people a stick off which to measure and they can put what theyve previously had into perspective and better judge any future pills they take and hopefully then help stop financing these cunts that press any old shit into pills knowing that people who dont know any better will praise and buy it.
 
Loose said:
This was a completely different experience from the abundance of clean and quality pills I sampled around 2007-2008 when I was their age.
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Yeah this is around the same time I first got into googs (~2005-2007) and some of the pills back then in Melbourne were just epic. First ever pill was a green mitsubishi, the same one that the police sent out a special warning about because the dose of MDMA in them was so high.

Having said that even back then there were still some pills that were definitely not MDMA, but instead of being bunk or full of amphetamines they often had other fun things like ketamine, LSD, 2-cb, etc. Ie: orange pumas (holy shit!) and orange dolphins. Going through pill reports this seems to pretty much never be the case anymore.

Hopefully another golden-age of high-quality treats is upon us.
 
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Does anyone remember what year things started taking a nose dive in aus?
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I'd be interested if there was way to do a statistical analysis of pill reports data over the last decade. I know there have been fake reports etc, but perhaps some ratings / comments could be used to filter some of them out?

In my experience (2001 onwards) there has always been a risk of getting a dud. But certainly in my early days I only came across a couple out of many. Back when I started it wasn't so much that you might get crap that wasn't MDMA, it was usually speculation about which MDMA pill had the most in it. I had some pretty damn good pills in 2007 and 2008 still.

The risk of getting a non MDMA pill seemed to climb upwards from late 2008 until late 2009 when there was almost no MDMA pills about at all, but tonnes of pipes/who knows what. I don't think I had any pills in 2010 at all.
 
Juvenile said:
I'd be interested if there was way to do a statistical analysis of pill reports data over the last decade. I know there have been fake reports etc, but perhaps some ratings / comments could be used to filter some of them out?

In my experience (2001 onwards) there has always been a risk of getting a dud. But certainly in my early days I only came across a couple out of many. Back when I started it wasn't so much that you might get crap that wasn't MDMA, it was usually speculation about which MDMA pill had the most in it. I had some pretty damn good pills in 2007 and 2008 still.

The risk of getting a non MDMA pill seemed to climb upwards from late 2008 until late 2009 when there was almost no MDMA pills about at all, but tonnes of pipes/who knows what. I don't think I had any pills in 2010 at all.
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Us mods aren't perfect at keeping on top of the fake reports but you would find most have been removed, we have a subforum here on blue light of all the deleted reports. So normally fake reports are deleted pretty quickly after they've been posted but some do slip through the cracks. It wouldn't be a good gauge of PR though. You would definitely see a corelation between how much MDxx was in the country and the pills being pressed but as far as strengths are concerned the site is far too vague to have any kind of accuracy of strength. e.g people often put reports as high MDxx and other people would say they are low compared to 5+ years ago.
 
thestudent14 said:
This is 100% true, I had friends get in to pills in 2010. After hearing what he had taken a mate of mine told him he could get him some actual bics that won't be so shitty. When we gave em to him he said "whats in these" my mate said "a fairly low dose of MDMA" to which he replied "I didn't know MDMA was ever put in pills?"

FOR SHAME!

But things are looking up, in recent times when I have gone clubbing in Melbourne, they're is definitely a lot more people who are on MDMA. All the right signs, dancing HARD, pupils like dinner plates, and hugging each other. I could definitely see some DnM's going on throughout the club. I'm finished with uni for the year so I can start joining in a whole lot more again. Game on team... game on =D
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I finish exams on the 14th of November... I'm already planning my celebratory benders well in advance!

See you on the dancefloor :D
 
Hey guys has anyone had headaches caused by BIG ammounts of mdma? i consumed about 700-800mg in the night (was there for about 12 hours) eating injecting and snorting big doses of MDMA crystal.i was chewing my jaw like never before im thinking maybe that has something to do with it.but yeah this wasnt my regular supplyer n i was thinking maybe it was cut with something nasty.however i did snort about 200mg of methylone at 11am (got to the party at 4:30ish) then snorted another 150mgish at 2-3 and was drinking quite heavily. i had to end the night early due to the headache n go have a lay down in the car at 5:30-6ish first time its ever happened at a doof :\ it was such a fucking awsome gig tho!
 
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That's a ridiculous amount to take junkie. The thing is, tolerance to desirable effects increases, but the amount that will start causing you problems doesn't change so much. I had this same problem during my addiction to methamphetamine - my tolerance got so high that the amount of meth I needed to use to get me off started to cause severe physical problems, because it was too much for my body, although it was only just getting me high. If you need to take 700-800mg in a night (plus 350mg methylone - which is also called bk-mdma, and acts in much the same way), you seriously need to take a break. I'm saying this as a mate - please, be careful.
 
one time in my sillier days i went through a g one night and had a brain splitter the following day and a half...possibly from chewing and clenching possibly from the copious amounts of scotch, either way i learnt being a greedy mofo ends in tears, or at least a fucking skull full of pain.
i miss the old early days when you could have one or two pills in a night and sleep easy, wake up the next day with a beaut refreshed feeling and after glow. take it easy mate!

^ foots beat me too it but yeh remember the tortoise beats the hare in the long run.
 
footscrazy said:
That's a ridiculous amount to take junkie. The thing is, tolerance to desirable effects increases, but the amount that will start causing you problems doesn't change so much. I had this same problem during my addiction to methamphetamine - my tolerance got so high that the amount of meth I needed to use to get me off started to cause severe physical problems, because it was too much for my body, although it was only just getting me high. If you need to take 700-800mg in a night (plus 350mg methylone - which is also called bk-mdma, and acts in much the same way), you seriously need to take a break. I'm saying this as a mate - please, be careful.
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yeah im planning to take another break,the reason why i had to dose so much is cus i dosed some crystals on wednesday too :\ and yes i was wayyyyyyyy beyond fucked i just got greedy we had so much there and and had all night to consume it.i should of just stuck with 3 tally bombs i had at the beginning of the night.i was nice n fucked then but just kept going then it just got ugly moaning n groaning eyes rolling in the back of my skull ect ect plus a mate of mine who was havin molly for the first time in 4 years had just a little less than me....
 
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I've heard of numerous people getting headaches from bk-MDMA, although in all my use of it's never been the case with me or any of my close friends.

What you had is a very high dose though, even if you were taking note to keep yourself well hydrated at those doses and bush doofing away as you were I think dehydration could easily have been a key factor.
 
junkie, why would you even take dosages like that? It's beyond me?

I've been using MDMA for 9 years now, almost 10 - and I can say without a doubt i've never approached dosages like those.

I've done some stupid things I admit, munching 50pks of pills in a weekend things like that - but I was young and stupid - the depression and mental issues that follow binges like that for years really take their toll. These days I wouldn't use over half a gram in a session, and that would be between 3-4 consecutive doses over the course of 12+hrs.

Also, even after using molly say on wednesday, i'd find i would have a reasonable roll come friday/sat if I'd had a good rest.

Oh and headaches are a common side effect of seretonin depletion. I always got headaches - or at least, head tension as I call it, directly after a big MDxx binge.
 
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