What line would you never cross?

[poledriver]

It shows ur not an alcho if you dont drink before noon imo, ie you can wait till arvo for a drink, unlike some other drugs where one may have them 24/7, that is real addiction.

 

[footscrazy]

IMHO, bullshit. There's no magic about 12pm that means if you wait til afterwards you're not an alcho. It's ridiculous to reduce an addiction to something as arbitrary as the time you use.

 

[MrIbis]

A little quote about crossing lines;
"Alright. Well, in all honesty, I don't feel that what I've done is a crime. And I think it's illogical and irresponsible for you to sentence me to prison. Because, when you think about it, what did I really do? I crossed an imaginary line with a bunch of plants. I mean, you say I'm an outlaw, you say I'm a thief, but where's the Christmas dinner for the people on relief? Huh? You say you're looking for someone who's never weak but always strong, to gather flowers constantly whether you are right or wrong, someone to open each and every door, but it ain't me, babe, huh? No, no, no, it ain't me, babe. It ain't me you're looking for, babe. You follow?" - Blow, George Jung.

 

[JessFR]

Crossed the IV line years ago, my experience is almost nobody is absolutely "above" anything.

My line that I've managed not to ever cross is not share needles. I can't say I would never do it in different circumstances though.

It's a lot easier to enforce a personal rule of not sharing needles when you have virtually unlimited access to any kind of syringe or needle combination imaginable for nearly no cost. Not everyone has that luxury.

Other personal rules I've managed to not break so far, don't screw up my veins so badly you gotta start hunting all over the place. (could be better, could be a LOT worse... see above unlimited access comment).

Funny thing is I used to have a huge phobia about needles, to the point I couldn't be in a room with one without having anxiety attacks, and at the same time a sick fascination with them. It all stems from screwed up abuse stuff from my childhood I don't wanna go into, I only bring it up to say, a fear of needles is probably a good thing, because for me anyway, once I started using them on myself, I not only lost my phobia but came to enjoy just the sensation of a needle in my arm.

 

[opi8]

A lot of the previous lines I had have been crossed already. I watched older friends go through heroin withdrawal, (as well as visiting them in the city when they would go out sick - "make money" - then come back in an hour well) and told myself that would never happen to me. I was shit scared of needles until I used one, I said I'd never do that. It only takes one depressive episode for all your hangups to get thrown out the window, well, it did for me.

I would still never steal for drugs. Nor would I use a dirty needle, in Australia, thankfully, we're very lucky in that regard. Having access to needle exchanges on weekdays at least in the majority of the country, there's really no excuse.

 

[Busty St Clare]

A little quote about crossing lines;
"Alright. Well, in all honesty, I don't feel that what I've done is a crime. And I think it's illogical and irresponsible for you to sentence me to prison. Because, when you think about it, what did I really do? I crossed an imaginary line with a bunch of plants. I mean, you say I'm an outlaw, you say I'm a thief, but where's the Christmas dinner for the people on relief? Huh? You say you're looking for someone who's never weak but always strong, to gather flowers constantly whether you are right or wrong, someone to open each and every door, but it ain't me, babe, huh? No, no, no, it ain't me, babe. It ain't me you're looking for, babe. You follow?" - Blow, George Jung.

He was a douche bag father though, so I wouldn't want to follow his lead.

Plenty of alcoholics wait until after work and drink until they pass out once they get home from work. I love a champagne breakfast and the Boxing Day Test isn't the same if you can't crack a beer during the first over so this 12pm curfew is totally foreign to me.

I have a few lines I don't cross, most are there due to common sense rather than some sort of control over my actions. Drugs for me should be enjoyable but never a crutch. I don't use pharmaceuticals recreationally, partly because I have needed painkillers in the past for numerous injuries and I don't see the point in bitching and moaning about having a tolerance when the shit hits the fan. Also I prescribe many drugs that could lead to more problems than enjoyment. My motto is generally don't shit where you eat I guess.

I don't IV, only because I see this as a difficult line to cross back from. I know very few people who once they started to IV find the same enjoyment again orally or nasally. I have injected ketamine intra muscularly before but the mess and general inconvenience of sourcing needles mean I prefer much more tame methods of dosing.

I no longer stay awake for 24 hr or more. Through personal experience I have found that the worse comedowns are a result of lack of sleep. I would much prefer to hit the hay for 8 hours then wake up and get on it again, before the first over starts the next day.

 

[bunnymunro]

I find this quite a confronting question... I guess that indicates that I have crossed lines that I feel bad about... however, I don't remember having stolen or otherwise committed 'property offences' to get/keep me high... however in saying this, I have "re-allocated" funds that were originally for another purpose for a cheap thrill. (my funds, although this may have had an indirect impact on my family). I guess that would indicate selfishness on my behalf, at the cost of my family's well being. Not proud of that, although have generally managed to muddle through.
IV is a line that once crossed, is one that can easily become entrenched, however, I don't think I shall ever IV mephadrone again... (due to the intensity of the first/last time I tried it, not for any moral reasons.
Sharing needles, have once, when I was younger, but wouldn't even consider it again.
Lied about drug use to friends or family, ... been there, done that... not proud.
used drugs at work, check.
Driven on drugs.. check
basically I think if you have to draw a line, you know that you are acting outside your own parameters, or at least approaching boundaries... actually, there are a couple of lines that I know I shouldn't have crossed, and I am not even game to admit to, publicly.

 

[opi8]

What a great post by Busty. Nobody was put down, there was no superior attitude and it had actual relevance and was a contribution to the thread. I think we should make a note of this monumental event.

 

[laugh]

you sound just like busty :D

 

[cassandragemini]

I the only lines I won't cross are moral ones though I have crossed some before on many occasions. The one I won't ever cross again is stealing to get drugs. I did do it a few times as a young teenager when friends and i would break into houses to steal booze. That was 14-15 years ago when I was a stupid kid, thinking back and considering the person i am now im more puzzled than ashamed that i actually did it and i can honestly say ive never really stolen anything since. Since then ive fucked myself right royally to maintain a habit but I've never stolen off someone else to do it. And I'll never lie to anyone or cheat them to get high, I've lied about my use many times and hidden it from friends and my girlfriend but I've never scammed anyone to get high, I don't think I'd enjoy the high if I did, I'd just feel like a piece of shit. I'm the only one of all my friends who has used needles and I'm the only one who has really experimented and become addicted to drugs like heroin and because of that i find it difficult talking about it. Despite the fact that some of them have other drug problems heroin just has so much stigma attached to it that they don't really understand what its like, I know I've been judged by some for it but I know how it is, I don't really expect anyone who hasn't been there to understand and I don't really care anyway, I'm old enough and comfortable enough with who I am to not let others opinions of me bother me, unless I share those same opinions.

One drug I will never take is datura because it sounds like a nightmare, I'm also well and truly sick of alcohol. I've never had a problem with it I just think it's a shitty crude drug that brings out the worst in people. I really can't stand drunk people, maybe it's the drug arrogance that some heroin addicts seem to develop (anyone else notice this?) but dealing with drunks, even my best friends and girlfriend, often really irritates me. They're just so childish and stupid and pathetic. Rich coming from a heroin addict I know but I can't help but feel this way. Also things like sharing needles and doing things that could put me or others into harms way health-wise I will never do, that to me is a give in.

Other than that everything is fair game, there are some drugs I prefer over others and some I will never do again but provided I don't cross the line morally or put my health or someone elses health in serious danger I'm cool with anything.

 

[gimpan]

The boundries I loosely set for myself roughly 10 years ago now lay broken in tatters on the dirty gound!

Allthough alot of things ive done I wouldnt do again (sharing needles, stealing....nutmeg?) Im really quite surprised to see some of the boundries some people on here have.
I lucky that I dont really suffer from a conscience when it comes to societies rules, thats right society you cant tell me what to do!!

 

[popeyes mate]

Alcohol before 12pm, unless it's been an allnighter.

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What even on AFL Grandfinal day and Melbourne Cup day? Thats will power right there. Hang on.. Im from WA so due to the time difference - of course I am gonna have a drink before noon on those days. Oh and Australia day, ANZAC, Christmas..

Great thread. Will be back tomorrow to read more, and comment.

 

[spacejunk]

I lucky that I dont really suffer from a conscience when it comes to societies rules, thats right society you cant tell me what to do!!

Too bad Mr Plod and his trusty nightstick feel differently to you on that one...

 

[ensta]

I'm too curious and love a good story too much to say I have lines I wouldn't cross. There are lines I haven't crossed but I feel it was because I didn't feel comfortable or I haven't been presented the opportunity. In the right circumstances I feel I could cross any line.

 

[TaSiPtR]

I think Ive just about crossed all the lines.

I would never rob or steal to buy drugs.

I think I have also just about crossed most of the lines I drew I have attempted to rob a chemist but I have never stolen from friends, family etc only realy stole anything once as a stupid teen breaking into cars one night I still feel terible when ever I go back into that suburb. I also wouldn't use in neck, groin femoral etc.

 

[laugh]

i cannot believe no one has said i would never break the law yet...

 

[grumpygrouse]

I cannot believe no one commented my remark about selling your body for drugs...

 

[JessFR]

i cannot believe no one has said i would never break the law yet...

Everyone breaks the law, anyone who says they'd never break the law is kidding themselves, naive, ignorant, stupid, or all of the above.

Just sayin...

 

[laugh]

kidding themselves, naive, ignorant, stupid, or all of the above

haha yep i agree and thats sounds like me...
but i thought the law was here to protect us...have i missed something Jess? i mean they have our best interests at heart...dont they?

 

[tentram]

What a great post by Busty. Nobody was put down, there was no superior attitude and it had actual relevance and was a contribution to the thread. I think we should make a note of this monumental event.

filter through the schtick and there's more often than not something intelligent in what he says. he's an aging professional, compensating with the fact he's tied down with a mrs and has kids, of course he's going to have such black and white views on matters he's becoming more a fence sitter if you ask me.

I lucky that I dont really suffer from a conscience when it comes to societies rules, thats right society you cant tell me what to do!!

wait till that conscience catches up.