Clocks!!

[farmaz]

Was this mainly through his music or something else?

A small part....

Robert Anton Wilson
Friedrich Nietzsche
Plato
William S Burroughs
Use of PCP, MXE
Varg Vikerness
Old books on the religion of old England
O.T.O.
Golden Dawn
Order of 9 angels
Joseph Goebbels
Vladimir Lenin
Hassan I sabbah

Thats a small bit on what I read etc that changed my views on life

 

[TheSpade]

Farmaz is MSB or just another complete prick?

 

[Myshkin]

A small part....

Robert Anton Wilson
Friedrich Nietzsche
Plato
William S Burroughs
Use of PCP, MXE
Varg Vikerness
Old books on the religion of old England
O.T.O.
Golden Dawn
Order of 9 angels
Joseph Goebbels
Vladimir Lenin
Hassan I sabbah

Some impressive names there, apart from the Black Metal racist wally (Vikernes) and the non-black metal racist wallies (Goebbels, Nietzsche et al).

Unfortunately I'll have to say that in my opinion if you can take some of those names on that list seriously (and aren't either joking or being deliberately 'provocative') then you didn't 'get' Wilson, Burroughs, The Golden Dawn, The OTO (which OTO specifically, btw?) or indeed Hassan-i-Sabbah. Not that you're alone in that.

As for the bit in bold, you may again be making a deliberate joke (or indeed a typo), but you do know it's 'Angles' and not 'Angels', yeah? And that's kind of an essential point?

Not that it matters too much as they're a bunch of misguided idiots, but hey...

 

[farmaz]

Some impressive names, apart from the Black Metal racist wallies and the non-black metal racist wallies.

Unfortunately I'll have to say that in my opinion if you can take some of those names on that list seriously (and aren't either joking or being deliberately 'provocative) then you didn't 'get' Wilson, Burroughs, The OTO or indeed Hassan-i-Sabbah. Not that you're alone in that.

I dont troll or joke btw.

I got them fine thanks, The ticket that exploded & naked lunch are my favourite books by Burroughs & imo they deal with Control of the mind & body by the "state" I was reading Robert Anton Wilson around 13 years ago in my teenage years & read it again on my last holiday (Prometheus Rising)

The O.T.O. I got very well, my fiance is a member & I wont go into my own dealings with them but trust me I understand it very well from 1st hand experience.

 

[farmaz]

As for the bit in bold, you may again be making a deliberate joke (or indeed a typo), but you do know it's 'Angles' and not 'Angels', yeah? And that's kind of an essential point?

Not that it matters too much as they're a bunch of misguided idiots, but hey...

I dont find their order that misguided tbh, though I don't agree with murder or being shut in a hut for 6 months with no heat etc a great idea, look a bit deeper & some of their idea's are good.

I list these people as a small selection, as I got into Chaos magic / magik/ majik etc etc.......I learned you take a bit of each subject & mix it together like a huge stew.

 

[Myshkin]

I got into Chaos magic / magik/ majik etc etc.......I learned you take a bit of each subject & mix it together like a huge stew.

Not exactly, though paradigm-shifting is indeed an essential concept.

It ain't just a 'pick and mix' though; you really must immerse yourself in any given paradigm in order to reap the benefits; once you've done that enough you come to truly see belief as a tool and the true extent of syncretism between the mystery traditions. Thus (ironically) leading us back to the Golden Dawn's insistence on Kabbalistic orthodoxy, albeit viewed through a different prism.

The O.T.O. I got very well, my fiance is a member & I wont go into my own dealings with them but trust me I understand it very well from 1st hand experience.

Like I said, a lot depends on what you mean by 'The OTO'. Are we the talking the descendents of the pre-Crowley organisation? Or are we talking the splintered and diverse post-Crowley 'lineages' (the Caliphate, Motta, the Typhonians being the most notable)? All of them are remarkably different organisations.

I'm not meaning to have a go, but some of those names can't just be dropped without further clarification.

Also, I maintain that I can't believe somebody has read and digested Wilson and Crowley yet doesn't find 'Satanism' inherently ludicrous. I'm sorry.

 

[maxalfie]

I may not believe in the things that are being posted here but surely we still live in land of free speech but we must have boundaries.
As long as no one is inciting racial hatred or encouraging hate crimes then surely anything else is fine.
I can't recall who said this but I think its a great quote.
"I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it".

 

[Mugz]

my phone has two times on it, it seems to have updated on of the clocks but not the other!!!

 

[maxalfie]

Sounds to me Mugz that you are being two timed mate.

 

[Mugz]

funny

 

[TheSpade]

You're actually able to time travel now Mugz. Serious.

 

[farmaz]

Not exactly, though paradigm-shifting is indeed an essential concept.

It ain't just a 'pick and mix' though; you really must immerse yourself in any given paradigm in order to reap the benefits; once you've done that enough you come to truly see belief as a tool and the true extent of syncretism between the mystery traditions. Thus (ironically) leading us back to the Golden Dawn's insistence on Kabbalistic orthodoxy, albeit viewed through a different prism.



Like I said, a lot depends on what you mean by 'The OTO'. Are we the talking the descendents of the pre-Crowley organisation? Or are we talking the splintered and diverse post-Crowley 'lineages' (the Caliphate, Motta, the Typhonians being the most notable)? All of them are remarkably different organisations.

I'm not meaning to have a go, but some of those names can't just be dropped without further clarification.

Also, I maintain that I can't believe somebody has read and digested Wilson and Crowley yet doesn't find 'Satanism' inherently ludicrous. I'm sorry.

1) It ain't just a 'pick and mix' though; you really must immerse yourself in any given paradigm in order to reap the benefits; once you've done that enough you come to truly see belief as a tool and the true extent of syncretism between the mystery traditions. Thus (ironically) leading us back to the Golden Dawn's insistence on Kabbalistic orthodoxy, albeit viewed through a different prism

True but I have worked my way through many different things & found some parts that don't work & others that do so I mix & match to my own benefit

2) Like I said, a lot depends on what you mean by 'The OTO'. Are we the talking the descendents of the pre-Crowley organisation? Or are we talking the splintered and diverse post-Crowley 'lineages' (the Caliphate, Motta, the Typhonians being the most notable)? All of them are remarkably different organisations.

I'm not meaning to have a go, but some of those names can't just be dropped without further clarification.

Also, I maintain that I can't believe somebody has read and digested Wilson and Crowley yet doesn't find 'Satanism' inherently ludicrous. I'm sorry. -

No need to be sorry, I dont class it as "satanism" after looking into the old ways of English & Scandinavian magical systems & pre christian systems of worship I dont buy into this tag that you call it. You more into the Anton lavey way of looking at things imo. Look at my Avatar that speaks more about my views & practise systems that anything & I am sure you know what it means

I don't want to go to deep into this as it is not right to the people I have come across on my path but I am talking about Ordo Templi Orientis, The original system he set up.

 

[farmaz]

Thus (ironically) leading us back to the Golden Dawn's insistence on Kabbalistic orthodoxy, albeit viewed through a different prism.

Thats what I found with alot of things tbh, John Dee (007) for example, personally I cant stand any things from the kabbalah, prefer to study under Dr. Michael A. Aquino than that Jewish text tbh & I find Dr. Michael A. Aquinos work to be corrupt as hell (I had a bad time years ago with a guy from there)

 

[Myshkin]

I don't want to go to deep into this as it is not right to the people I have come across on my path but I am talking about Ordo Templi Orientis, The original system he set up.

The original system who set up? The OTO predates Crowley.

As I said earlier, post-Crowley there have been several ideologically-diverse groups bearing that name. Unless you mean you were in the OTO in Crowley's lifetime, in which casee you're a bit old for black metal.

personally I cant stand any things from the kabbalah, prefer to study under Dr. Michael A. Aquino than that Jewish text

So why do you list the Golden Dawn and the OTO as influences, when both rely so heavily on Hermetic Kabbalah?

By the way, the Kabbalah is not 'a text' and never has been. There are several texts which are recognised as core Kabbalistic study materials, but there's no 'Jewish text' called The Kabbalah. And in any case, Hermetic Kabbalah bears more influence from ancient Greek philosophy, various gnostic strands and Christian mysticism than it resembles the school practiced by Jewish groups who embrace the Kabbalah, such as the Hasidim.

That said, better leave this here. I'm finding your responses somewhat confusing and contradictory and we're probably boring the rest of EADD. As for Aquino, I'll reserve comment.

 

[farmaz]

The original system who set up? The OTO predates Crowley.

As I said earlier, post-Crowley there have been several ideologically-diverse groups bearing that name. Unless you mean you were in the OTO in Crowley's lifetime, in which casee you're a bit old for black metal.



So why do you list the Golden Dawn and the OTO as influences, when both rely so heavily on Hermetic Kabbalah?

By the way, the Kabbalah is not 'a text' and never has been. There are several texts which are recognised as core Kabbalistic study materials, but there's no 'Jewish text' called The Kabbalah. And in any case, Hermetic Kabbalah bears more influence from ancient Greek philosophy, various gnostic strands and Christian mysticism than it resembles the school practiced by Jewish groups who embrace the Kabbalah, such as the Hasidim.

That said, better leave this here. I'm finding your responses somewhat confusing and contradictory and we're probably boring the rest of EADD. As for Aquino, I'll reserve comment.

I know alot of things goes back to the Kabbalah, nearly all Esoteric wisdom is built from there as a base but I wont go into my reasons why I dont fully trust it on here. Hence why I moved away from the groups listed & other not named & got into the Chaos system.

Yes you have a point I guess about the original OTO system, I can only go on what I have been shown so I can't be 100% but can anybody in that case?...........

As to the "Terrible from Set" your lack of comment speaks 1,000 words I would say "C.I.A" tbh but we will leave it at that.

Good to have a decent chat with someone like you, it's clear you know where your coming from, even though we don't agree about the Jewish angle on the whole subject.

 

[Mugz]

BACK ON TOPIC - ALMOST


SO DO YOU PREFER ANALOGUE OR DIGITAL CLOCKS? I PREFER THE ANALOGUE WATCHES WITH A DIGITAL CLOCK INSIDE IT TOO

Sorry for size :D

 

[farmaz]

back on topic - almost


so do you prefer analogue or digital clocks? I prefer the analogue watches with a digital clock inside it too

sorry for size :d

lol

 

[farmaz]

Analogue for me tbh.

I saw the best clock ever while away a few weeks ago, the clock ran the other way (anti clockwise)

I am going to try to post the picture when finished my coffee, I wanted to steal it & did try but I got weird looks trying to get it down & gave up in shame

 

[Mugz]

I've seen one of those farmaz, well a picture of one anyway, they looked so cool. I kind of want one, but I don't wear watches and it was a watch, it might be a good xmas present for my dad though as he kind of collects watchs, but expensive ones, not novelty ones.

 

[Ceres]

im getting one of these.

The clock change is really pissing me off, I feel totally knackered in the evenings now, they feel like they drag on forever.