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Are some folks just not 'built' for RCs

^^Yeah i forgot to mention the downside of the san pedro. The taste is certainly not for the faint hearted. I think you can extract the mescaline fairly easily with an acid base extraction, but i only tried this once. Unfortunately i fucked it up by using naptha as a solvent when you really need something like chloroform or dichloromethane. Even the simplest extractions usually take a bit of practise though and you don't want your £20 to go down the drain too many times.
 
^Yeah, I had some San Pedro tea once, boiled in a huge cauldron with tea leaves and sugar....It actually ended up being very pleasant in the end. I took 7-8 cups(6-8 oz) of the stuff.....I guess it all depends on how you make it though...not the best taste but it was tolerable....eating the raw cactus would probably suck though!!
 
Extracting mescaline from cactus is about as easy as extracting DMT, producing full spectrum cactus alkaloid crystal isn't that hard.
 
Jesusgreen said:
Reputable UK vendor you say? 4-AcO-DMT and 2C-B are illegal in the UK, so if this was a vendor masquerading as a legal RC vendor, you've been lied to, and I'd highly question your source. That said, we can't go into vendor discussion here, it's up to you to verify for yourself if your vendor is legitimate.

Edit: I misread, you can ignore that bit, after re-reading it sounds like only the 25I was obtained in the UK.

Are you on any medication? Lots of medicine can interact badly with various drugs and cause these sorts of reactions. If you get normal reaction from acid and shrooms then obviously it's not that, but you mention taking acid in the 90's so I had to consider the possibility that you haven't taken them in a while and have since gotten on SSRIs or other medication that can lessen the effects of psychedelics.

Along with that, 600ug of 25I is weak for a lot of people, and during the come up I also get flu-like symptoms, so it might have simply been too little. If the 4-AcO-DMT was fumarate as most is, then 20mg might not be enough for the full blown trip you're looking for - try 25-30mg, and work your way up as necessary from there. 2C-B at 30mg should be pretty enjoyable though - unless you took all these drugs in rather quick succession, since you should allow at least a week between trips due to tolerance.

I'd also like to say +1 to everything Vader said.

Just remember that we don't allow "What should I take?" threads, so we can't really tell you what to take, but to answer your question - yes there are.

My all time favourite drug I've tried so far is aMT, alpha-methyltryptamine. It's partly regarded as an RC, though it's been around since the 60s (Ken Kesey tried it and referred to it as the Rolls Royce of psychedelics) - it's legal in the UK, and personally I prefer it to MDMA, LSD, DMT, etc.. just because of its unique combination of monoamine release like MDMA, and psychedelic effects similar to LSD. It's like a candyflip in one drug! :D
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Thanks Jesusgreen. I was going to try AMT but I've heard it can be really heavy on come-up? I dunno. It sound great but I don;t wanna be hurling everywhere :-/ Is there any way to reduce the nausea?
 
I've not had problems with nausea from AMT really, everyone reacts differently to every chem, but it's a worthwhile material for many. If you plug, you bypass the GI tract, and it's also a more efficient ROA, but it's obviously not for everyone. If you go oral, my advice would be not to worry too much about the nausea (if you go into a trip convinced that it's going to be a certain way, you've got a self-fulfilling prophecy IME), and perhaps to smoke some cannabis.
 
Cheers. Hm, I might bite the bullet and order some. I heard it's a great anti-depressant too. I'm very careful about what I put into my body because I have a wife and kids here, all of whom are not aware of my liking for drugs. I know it's a little cloak and dagger type stuff, but I'd rather them not know and not worry about me. There's nothing to worry about, but I have to be careful that I don't load myself up with something that's going to wake the whole house and cause a weird scene, lol. I'm being protective, I suppose.

Jesusgreen, what's your view on the amt freebase?
 
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You probably need to up the dosage. For me, only 47 mg plugged caused profound trip. 25i 1mg was pretty light, yoo
 
Vader said:
Extracting mescaline from cactus is about as easy as extracting DMT, producing full spectrum cactus alkaloid crystal isn't that hard.
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Nice one i'll remember that. I reckon i've downed a good 15 vinegar san pedro sludges so far in my drug career, but it hasn't got any easier at all along the way. Probably worse even. Like some weird accumulation of bad experiences. That said, still nowhere near as foul as my home made ayahuasca.
 
I'm planning on trying a 1.5mg 25-i dose.

Although i really hate the tension i get from it, I read if you take magnesium it can really help with it.

Any of you guys know how much magnesium you would need for it to take effect?
 
Magnesium is sold OTC in various forms and it should come with a dosage recommendation. Usually it's 400-500mg in a single dose. And yes, it does help with muscle tension and vasoconstriciton on 25I.
 
will 5-meo-dmt suffice? It seems attractive to me, due to its potency and short duration.
 
velmwend said:
Good afternoon

Right, I've had 25i (600ug), 4-aco-dmt (20mg) and 2cb (30mg) during the past few months. The 25i gave me 8 hour flu-like symptons and nothing more. I bought these from a reputable uk vendor. The 4-aco-dmt had very mild effects and nothing more (also bought from a reputable vendor) and the 2CB just felt like I'd had a bong and then I felt sick for 3 hours.

Are some people just s**t with RCs?? I read all these life changing reports and all I get is nausea and disappointment. I just wanna visit another dimension for a few hours and come back feeling like I've been shown a few secrets of the universe...like acid, or shrooms.

Is there *really* any RC that come close to the classics? 8(
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OK you can't just group all these different psychedelics under the same umbrella. I think the whole "research chemical" thing is confusing you. Each compound is different and will effect you differently. I've done plenty of newer phenethylamines and tryptamines that are just as good if not better than mescaline, psilocin, DMT, or LSD.
 
trip.more said:
OK you can't just group all these different psychedelics under the same umbrella. I think the whole "research chemical" thing is confusing you. Each compound is different and will effect you differently. I've done plenty of newer phenethylamines and tryptamines that are just as good if not better than mescaline, psilocin, DMT, or LSD.
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I wasn't grouping them, I was relaying individual experiences with different chemicals. Nothing confuses me about individual Rcs, there is a plethora of very good knowledge and info out there about each. I'm coming to the conclusion that my doses are too low. I've many years experience with psilocybin and lsd but not with RCs, which I've only started experimenting with this year. All a big learning curve, and great to have such a great community to find such good support :)
 
velmwend said:
Thanks Jesusgreen. I was going to try AMT but I've heard it can be really heavy on come-up? I dunno. It sound great but I don;t wanna be hurling everywhere :-/ Is there any way to reduce the nausea?
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Plugging or smoking it result in no nausea on the come up. If you smoke it be aware that you need to significantly lower the dose, and it's a bit more rushy/speedy.

I found with oral the nausea was unavoidable, and the first time I was unable to stop myself throwing up - but it wasn't unpleasant like it is on a lot of drugs, pretty much as soon as it was all out I was hit by a wonderful calm euphoric feeling and wasn't bothered by being half covered in sick. The next time I took it since I knew what to expect I made myself comfortable and relaxed completely during the time in which the nausea was at its worst, I managed to hold on through it and then quickly the nausea passed and I didn't need to throw up. :)
 
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