Police: Student took LSD before we shot him to death

Why the dealer should be prosecuted with murder is beyond me. He deals drugs... as long as he sells responsibly and deals legit drugs, that's as far as his involvement goes. He didn't shoot the student, the police officer did. Its dusgusting that it happened... he wasn't armed, just naked and crazy. Why not restrain and arrest.

Confusing.
 
This shooting is absolutely disgusting. Cops believe their job's are more dangerous than they really are. Every person is a potential death threat in their eyes regardless of size, stature ,or the fact that they are naked and clearly unarmed.

I know cop's jobs are inherently dangerous, but if you are timid enough in a situation like this to end up shooting a naked, 5'7 135 lb unarmed teen, then try another occupation. Police offices are never short on job applications.
 
Ala. officer who shot naked man had baton, spray

A University of South Alabama campus police officer who fatally shot a naked student was carrying pepper spray and a baton at the time, the school said Friday.

University spokesman Keith Ayers said Officer Trevis Austin, a four-year employee in his first police job, was armed with all three weapons when he walked outside the police station with his gun drawn to confront Gil Collar. The 18-year-old college freshman was naked when he banged on police department windows in the pre-dawn hours last Saturday.

It's unclear why Austin went for his gun first, but the sheriff has said the decision was proper.

Authorities said Collar, a 5-foot-7, 140-pound high school wrestler in his first semester of college, was on LSD when he moved aggressively toward the officer in an athletic stance, prompting the shooting. But surveillance video shows the student never tried to grab the officer's weapon or got within 4 or 5 feet of Austin.
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cont at
http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Ala-officer-who-shot-naked-man-had-baton-spray-3942829.php
 
i dont know about his pd's protocol, but coming out unaware of the situation with a gun sounds like a mistake

but when you have someone charging at you like a maniac, naked (normal people dont charge at cops naked), refusing orders to stop and you have a gun in your hand, you fire
we all want to assume the kid was just a nice guy who lost control of the high, but in his mindstate he could of taken that gun and the shot the cop and other students, hallucinating them as demons or threats of any kind
ideally the shot should of been non-lethal, but for all we know the kid changed directions or swerved or whatever into the bullet

really sad to see this happen but it is what it is and the cop did what he had to do
 
!_MDMA_! said:
i dont know about his pd's protocol, but coming out unaware of the situation with a gun sounds like a mistake

but when you have someone charging at you like a maniac, naked (normal people dont charge at cops naked), refusing orders to stop and you have a gun in your hand, you fire
we all want to assume the kid was just a nice guy who lost control of the high, but in his mindstate he could of taken that gun and the shot the cop and other students, hallucinating them as demons or threats of any kind
ideally the shot should of been non-lethal, but for all we know the kid changed directions or swerved or whatever into the bullet

really sad to see this happen but it is what it is and the cop did what he had to do
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I don't think so.
You see, if you read the article I posted just above, it says that the naked guy never came within 5 feet of the cop.
So, that's not really "charging" at the cop.
 
Hear Me Roar said:
Why the dealer should be prosecuted with murder is beyond me. He deals drugs... as long as he sells responsibly and deals legit drugs, that's as far as his involvement goes. He didn't shoot the student, the police officer did. Its dusgusting that it happened... he wasn't armed, just naked and crazy. Why not restrain and arrest.

Confusing.
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He should be prosecuted if he sold them some dangerous RC and told them it was LSD though because that's just immoral imo.
 
a bonafide shocker:

University of South Alabama cop cleared in shooting; Gil Collar high on rare chemical

MOBILE, Alabama – A grand jury today cleared a University of South Alabama police officer of wrongdoing in the shooting of a student who authorities say ingested a rare and potent research chemical that caused him to act wildly in October.

The shooting of the naked and erratic Gil Collar on Oct. 6 shocked his fellow students, who wondered how the popular and well-adjusted Wetumpka native could have behaved so strangely hours after attending the BayFest music festival downtown.
This afternoon, Mobile County District Attorney Ashley Rich provided the answer: Collar had ingested a tiny amount of a substance called 25I-C-NBOMe, a research chemical created for the laboratory within the last six years.

As for the officer, Rich said that a surveillance video and other evidence confirm that Officer Trevis Austin acted justifiably when Collar charged at him in the early morning hours.

“We explored every single aspect of this investigation,” she said.

Little is known about the effects of 25I, Rich said. She said it is similar to LSD and is “extremely lethal and extremely dangerous.” Nine hits can fit on a single postage stamp, she said, demonstrating with a picture of the substance. She said it can be purchased for as little as $10 a hit.

Rich said investigators tracked down Collar’s source, a friend of a friend who brought it to Mobile from Birmingham, where he had ordered from out of the country. But she said that the chemical is not listed on the state’s list of controlled substances and, therefore, she has no jurisdiction to bring criminal charges against the supplier.
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cont. http://blog.al.com/live/2013/03/university_of_south_alabama_co_3.html#incart_river
 
!_MDMA_! said:
really sad to see this happen but it is what it is and the cop did what he had to do
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No it is not.
Punch the kid in the face or spear him to the ground but why fucking shoot him.




And why does everyone keep referring to any fucking random ass chemical as LSD. What is wrong with this damn planet
 
Nine hits can fit on a single postage stamp, she said, demonstrating with a picture of the substance. She said it can be purchased for as little as $10 a hit.
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Come one! Come all!

HCandKROD said:
Does this 25I-C-NBOMe make you run around naked and act a fool? What is the purpose of ingesting such a substance?
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Isn't that what all drugs do?
 
There was no need to shoot him in the chest. He was unarmed.
What about a warning shot? What about shooting him in the foot?
This is a human life we are talking about.
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Shooting in the foot is against all standard police and military training. It's also generally a liability issue and can be considered an offence. Use of a firearm is always considered lethal force. You can *only* ever use lethal force when you believe that you need to kill the person to defend yourself. Shooting someone in the foot is a use of lethal force, but it shows you obviously did not consider a kill to be needed to defend yourself. Ergo, it becomes attempted murder or at best, aggravated assault. This is how I was trained, and I know from talking to many people around the world, they are trained the same.

Warning shots... they're acceptable by the military, like at a checkpoint or something, in some situations. Namely, those where you are dealing with people who are quite likely illiterate (therefore can't read the signs we have posted at the check point) and can't speak the language we can. (Therefore, us yelling STOP. STOP NOW! HANDS TO THE SIDE, is to the, just gibberish) Warning shots are usually not allowed by civi police. They're fucking dangerous to bystanders and furthermore, it becomes a liability issue again... firing a gun at someone is still seen as using lethal force, even if it misses. Plus, sometimes, the warning shots hit the person. Since at that point, you fired the weapon as a warning. (And at the time of the shot, that indicates you did not believe you needed to make a kill to defend yourself) if it hits, and they die, it's at best manslaughter, and can even be murder, as the act is premeditated.

Personally, I think this incident is tragic. However, I don't think the officer really did anything wrong. He responded more forcefully than I would have. But I can understand his reaction. Someone who is obviously off their rocker is getting within range of touching you. It does not matter if they are smaller than you (and we don't know if he was. The person shot was about my size.) People can, and are, frequently killed by smaller persons. We actually say that within 21 feet, is the immediate danger zone. Because they can close on you faster than you can draw your weapon, chamber a round and get an aimed shot off.
 
^ what if you are just a poor shot and meant to hit him in the chest, and somehow hit him in the foot instead?

Would they fire a cop for having poor aim? I mean, they don't fire cops for being fat, ugly, disgusting, sub human pieces of shit... so why would having poor aim disqualify you from being a cop?
 
Poor aim will disqualify you from being cleared for duty with a weapon. If after remedial training, you still can't pass, you will likely get fired. During initial training, you won't pass, and if you don't pass after remedial training, you will be dropped from the program. Example: In the C.F. on BMQ. If you fail to achieve PWQ2 performance objective (its complex to explain, but most pertinent to your query, would be 27/30 rounds in centre of mass, with groupings no larger than 6 inches, from the prone position with a C7A2 service rifle at 300 metres.) If you fail it, you get an intensive crash course from the instructors and a re-shoot. If you fail that, you fail the course and are Returned to unit (reserves) or put on PAT platoon (regular force) in the reserve, the unit decides if they wish to put you back on course (it comes from their budget and ties up a slot with an unqualified solider) if not, you are discharged. In the Regs, you almost always get another chance to re-do the entire course. If you fail it again, again, you are discharged.

If you miss and hit someone in the foot? Well, if they don't go down right away, you keep shooting and trying to hit centre of mass. If they do, you restrain them right away. When questioned about it, you truthfully answer "I attempted to fire for centre of mass, but I missed (or it was the only area of the target which I had firing solution for)"
 
rangrz said:
Poor aim will disqualify you from being cleared for duty with a weapon. If after remedial training, you still can't pass, you will likely get fired. During initial training, you won't pass, and if you don't pass after remedial training, you will be dropped from the program. Example: In the C.F. on BMQ. If you fail to achieve PWQ2 performance objective (its complex to explain, but most pertinent to your query, would be 27/30 rounds in centre of mass, with groupings no larger than 6 inches, from the prone position with a C7A2 service rifle at 300 metres.) If you fail it, you get an intensive crash course from the instructors and a re-shoot. If you fail that, you fail the course and are Returned to unit (reserves) or put on PAT platoon (regular force) in the reserve, the unit decides if they wish to put you back on course (it comes from their budget and ties up a slot with an unqualified solider) if not, you are discharged. In the Regs, you almost always get another chance to re-do the entire course. If you fail it again, again, you are discharged.

If you miss and hit someone in the foot? Well, if they don't go down right away, you keep shooting and trying to hit centre of mass. If they do, you restrain them right away. When questioned about it, you truthfully answer "I attempted to fire for centre of mass, but I missed (or it was the only area of the target which I had firing solution for)"
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But this is for Canada right?

I'm pretty sure you could have Downs Syndrome and become a cop in the United states.
 
It really depends on the Dept and the Jurisdiction they are in... I gather that State and local standards vary wildly down there. Federal standards are pretty strict however.
 
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