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Vicodin vs Percocet

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To simplify this discussion lets use the vicodin 5/500s and percocet 5/325s. As these seem the be the most commonly prescribed pain killers for moderate pain. I am able to convince doctors to precscribe the one or the other one a fairly regular basis due to past surgies or "accidental" injuries. The doctors are usually more happy to prescribe the vicodin knowing it is a lower class. Of course I like anyone else (i presume) would prefer a percocet to a vicodin. I tend to get 20 here, 40 there of either or, from the ER , family dr. or orthopedic surgeon. The point I would like the make is that if I chew up 4 vicodin it seems basically the same as if I chew up 4 percocet, maybe just a little weaker. Unless I have been doing tons of percocet, then it seems like I have such a tolerance to it that eating an equal mg of vicodin would get me at least equally high as the percocet. Anyother difference I have noted is that the percocet works when snorted, although a little rough. Vicodin seems to be worthless when snorted. My question is what is the real difference, I know the vicodin is a scheduel 3 and percocet is scheduel 2. I think I've heard that the percocet is an actual "opiate" and the vicodin is an "opiod" but really what is the difference? they both seem to work the same for pain relief, and cause practically the same high. Is the percocet harder to quit or something? thats another thing I've heard. I've been messing around with pills for 6 or 7 years now, managed to quit shooting the heroin which is good, but the pills have me hooked. Anyways, my recent prescription to vicodin got me wondering about these things because I chewed four of them up and and I didnt know better I could have sworn they were percocets.
Why do they both exist?
are some people alergic to one or the other? any info would be helpful just for the record.
 
dont snort any pills with APAP in them (the /xxx number) its horrible for your nose and more or less a waste

everyone is different but most people prefer oxycodone (percs) as it is more potent than hydrocodone (vics)
 
shimazu said:
dont snort any pills with APAP in them (the /xxx number) its horrible for your nose and more or less a waste

everyone is different but most people prefer oxycodone (percs) as it is more potent than hydrocodone (vics)
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I know it is generally frowned up on to snort anything with tylenol in them, but snorting percocets really does give you a faster buzz and does work, vidocin is a waste even the 325 version, maybe like the 10/325s are alright to snort. around where I live is is common practice from mosy druggies to snort percocet and soemtimes even vicodin, although I usually just eat my vics, I guess its that way around here because of the lack of good drugs like H and pure oxy being available.
 
You actually get more of the drug taking it orally though...higher oral bioavailability than intranasal...(percocet)

And both exist because for some, hydrocodone is enough to take care of the pain, but for others they need the oxycodone...and then there are some that need drugs stronger than that...
 
Not to mention, you don't know how much oxycodone is penetrating your mucus membranes vs. the amount of tylenol penetrating...yes, most of what doesn't absorb drains orally, but there's still a bit of material that just kinda sits up there for a few days when it comes to pills...
 
First off, do not snort percs or vicodins, swallow them as you WILL get a better high from them that way.
As others have said, percs are stronger than vicodins and that why they are preferred by most.
 
Don't snort apap I feel each is unique and I like both. If Hydrocodone came in a higher dosage then is definitely want to use it as much as oxy.
 
what is the real difference, I know the vicodin is a scheduel 3 and percocet is scheduel 2.
US Schedules of drugs are pretty arbitrary and don't always make sense. The particular schedule any give drug belongs to is a matter of controversy, but they can affect what doctors prescribe. Percocet is simply in Schedule II because it contains oxycodone, which is listed in Schedule II. Vicodin contains hydrocodone, which when formulated in a drug with hydrocodone as the only active ingredient or containing more than 15 mg hydrocodone per pill is considered a Schedule II drug, however when hydrocodone is sold in a formulation which is combined with APAP or another non-controlled drug (aspirin, ibuprofen), it is considered Schedule III, as it is believed to be less abusable and addictive (since the doses are smaller and it has a ton of APAP in it). Oxycodone doesn't have a rule like that for some reason.

This is what the schedules are supposed to mean:
Schedule II:
- The drug has a high potential for abuse
- The drug has have currently accepted medical use in the US.
- Abuse of the drug may lead to severe psychological or physical dependence.
Schedule III:
- The drug has a potential for abuse less than the drugs in schedules I and II.
- The drug has a currently accepted medical use in the US.
- Abuse of the drug may lead to moderate or low physical dependence or high psychological dependence.

Is the percocet harder to quit or something?
If you are taking an equivalent dose that produces the exact same effects for you, then Percocet shouldn't really be any harder to quit. They can both create a dependence. Many people find oxycodone to be stronger than hydrocodone, but it really varies from person to person. Our metabolisms are all different.

I've heard that the percocet is an actual "opiate" and the vicodin is an "opiod" but really what is the difference?
They are both opioids. By most definitions an opiate is a natural constituant or derivative of opium (like morphine), whereas an opioid just means any drug that activates the opioid receptors, so it's a broader term that includes synthetic and semi-synthetic drugs as well. Percocet contains oxycodone, which is a semi-synthetic opioid synthesized from thebaine (which is found in some poppies, and not just opium poppies). Vicodin contains hydrocodone, which is a semi-synthetic opioid derived from either thebaine or codeine. All opiates are opioids and a natural opiate does not necessarily have any higher recreational value than a synthetic opioid, for example codeine is a natural opiate.

Why do they both exist?
Many drugs that do the same thing exist. The main reason is so pharmaceutical companies can make more money. But there are likely to be slight differences in between drugs even if they are very similar. they may act on slightly different receptors, be metabolized differently, have different durations of action etc. Both oxycodone and hydrocodone were first synthesized in the early 1900s when people were looking for drugs to replace heroin that might have less potential for dependence. Oxycodone is generally considered stronger than hydrocodone, but we are all different so all that really matters is what works for you personally.

are some people alergic to one or the other?
Yes, but true allergies are not very common. However some people might get more side effects from one than the other.

*And just so you know, Bluelight is not here to help you decide which drugs to trick your doctor into giving you. Not saying that is what you were asking, but just thought I'd mention it since you were talking about how you can convince your doctors to give you whichever pain med you want and that you are only using them for recreational reasons.
 
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Swimmingdancer said:
I've heard that the percocet is an actual "opiate" and the vicodin is an "opiod" but really what is the difference?
They are both opioids. By most definitions an opiate is a natural constituant or derivative of opium (like morphine), whereas an opioid just means any drug that activates the opioid receptors, so it's a broader term that includes synthetic and semi-synthetic drugs as well. Percocet contains oxycodone, which is a semi-synthetic opioid synthesized from thebaine (which is found in some poppies, and not just opium poppies). Vicodin contains hydrocodone, which is a semi-synthetic opioid derived from either thebaine or codeine. All opiates are opioids and a natural opiate does not necessarily have any higher recreational value than a synthetic opioid, for example codeine is a natural opiate.
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OMG! are you a scientist or something? I am in AWE as to your knowledge on the subject...
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OP: first, as everyone says, it's a bad idea to snort anything with APAP.
second, yes perks are stronger, IIRC it's like 10mg hydro = 7.5mg oxy
Some people do prefer hydro buzz but all I found was it made WDs go away at the same levels as perks would have me right as rain.
all that to say if both were on the table, I would choose the perks, but if given a choice , would innocently ask
if perks were made w/o APAP ( pushing for 5 or 10 IR oxy) giving you more flexibility...
 
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