Benzos I'm going to stop my benzo use....have a slew of drugs to combat withdrawal..advice??

[bdomihizayka]

I have a bottle of soma, a bottle of flexeril, a bottle of tramadol, and a couple hundred of those blue 30mg roxys, with a 60mg tolerance before I start nodding.

Now I am not looking to trade one dependency for another. I want off of benzos. I am down to .25mg klonopin 2xs a day now and am going to stop this weekend.

With the meds I have provided, what would yous all suggest to combat the withdrawal?

I have been on 1mg klonopin 2xs a day for 2 months before tapering if that helps put things in perspective.

Would the muscle relaxants hurt the withdrawal, like doesn't soma act on the GABA system somehow???

I was thinking to use the muscle relaxers first, because tramadol can whack out your neurotransmitters and I'm going to be a bit depressed, and I have never taken opiods more than once a week and don't wish to start.

All opinions appreciated!!!

 

[Renz Envy]

Honestly, tapering off benzos by themselves is not as bad as many have put it. I recommend using GABA-ergics specifically to combat withdrawals as you probably do not wish to become the old lady who swallowed the fly.

Though, withdrawals will always be more unpleasant than regular doses, in the end you will feel much better.

Conclusion being: I recommend using lower and lower doses of klonopin less often to help you come off.

 

[bdomihizayka]

I'll give it a try then I guess.... you're right, I don't want to be band-aiding everything and start a viscious cycle.

Hear anything good about L Theanine?

 

[doorknob]

Are you addicted to opiates? I wouldn't use them if you aren't, why swap one addiction for another...

1mg Kpin a day for 2 months won't be too bad. Some may not even feel much withdrawal at all. Drop to 0.5mg for a week or two then try. You should probably expect some insomnia and anxiety, but nothing that you can't handle!

 

[bdomihizayka]

Not addicted to them at all.... I'm a once a weeker at the moment, and never have done them more than that yet, so yea, wasn't looking to start, especially with these great blues...what a waste that would be....

I'm going to try and just ride it out..... I'm already down to .25mg.....so thanks guys!

 

[ErgicMergic]

^Good luck!

Tapering benzos with benzos (long-acting ones, like clonazepam, then, diazepam for lower potency) has always been the most successful course of action for Bluelighters, including myself. Those somas will destroy your taper, as will using any other short-acting GABAergic, like alcohol.

 

[Aphex747]

tramadol + benzo wd = seizure. trust me i had 2 within a week from stopping a xanax habit and using ultram. throw that junk out or give it to a friend.

 

[opiatekrzy]

being dependent on 2mg of klonopin daily is low, compared to alot of other people RXed, however it's enough to cause serious problems with withdrawl (insomnia, sweats, mood swings, seizures, comas, death (extreme). if ur on 2mg daily, i would recommend taking .5mg in the AM, .5mg in the afternoon, and 5.mg in the evening, for 5-10 days, that right there is a .5mg decrease. after 5-10 days, try taking .5mg in the AM, and .5mg in the evening for another 5-10 days, if u feel uncomfrtable (dont worry its normal, ur body is not used to be taken off of these chemicals) if .5 in the AM, and .5 in the eveing isn
t helping, just take 1MG all in the morning, as ur daily dose will be at 1mg daily anyway, for sleep, if ur having trouble i suppose half of a.5mg will help (0.25mg) not recommended to do every nite as ur missing the point of tapering..after 5-10 days of .5am and .5 in the evening, go down to .25mg in the am, ,25 in the afternoon, and .25mg in the evening, leavig u at a daily dose of 0.75mg daily, do this for 7 days, after that try .25mg in the AM, .25 in the evening, if still having problems, seek a doctors opinion. or check into a detox. the detox in NY is horible, i was taking 8-10mg of xanax daily, all they gave me was "phenobarbital" 64mg three times a day for 4 days, to prevent seizures,.and the funny thing is i dont start benzo withdrawl for about 3 days after my last use of xxanax/klonopim...the phenobarb has a very long half life which will prevent u from having a seziure, howver u will have to suffer all the withdrawl benzos give u, hospitals objective to make sure nothing is life tthreatneing they dont care the pain u go thru, xpecially detox....they may give u ambien for 5-10 days after admitted, my two cents...benzo withdrawl lasts about 30 days until u start feeling back 2 normal


*i dont recommend taking tramadal if ur going thru benzo withdrawl as tramadol make su mire prone to have a seizure, which benzo withdawls ar enotorious for to begin with

 

[opiatekrzy]

^sorry to bump, during my withdrawl from benzos, i was given Neurtonin (gabapanetin) it di wonderings on smoothing out the edges of the withdrawls, and Vistaril (hydroxyzene) an anti histamine used for anxiety, clonidine for your blood pressure, and trazadone for sleep is very beneficial, which 85% of doctors wont have an issue RXing for benzo withdrawl

 

[Supeudol]

^sorry to bump, during my withdrawl from benzos, i was given Neurtonin (gabapanetin) it di wonderings on smoothing out the edges of the withdrawls, and Vistaril (hydroxyzene) an anti histamine used for anxiety, clonidine for your blood pressure, and trazadone for sleep is very beneficial, which 85% of doctors wont have an issue RXing for benzo withdrawl

^ Seconded. Only other thing I would say is that gabapentin is garbage compared to Lyrica (Pregabalin). So instead of taking the Gabapentin, I would go with the new superior GABA Modulator Lyrica (Pregabalin). Trazodone is excellent for benzodiazepine withdrawal if you can't sleep, get an RX for 50-100mg Trazodone as it has no addiction potential and very safe compared to garbage like Seroquel. Clonidine is very good to have as well, and if you have a rapid heart rate during benzo withdrawal, I would ask for Metoprolol (Lopressor). Metoprolol is a beta blocker, and works very well in benzo withdrawal for lowing your heart rate. Just be careful taking Clonidine + Metoprolol together at the same time can drop your blood pressure too much if you are not used to either of them.

I have RX's for both Clonidine and Metoprolol. Clonidine is the superior for lowering your blood pressure, and Metoprolol is the superior for lowering your heart rate. BTW - I also find Metoprolol to be a much superior beta blocker than Propranolol.

Also, Hydroxyzine works very well for anxiety, and sleep issues. I mean its not a benzo of course, but its better than most antihistamines, because of its sedating and anxiolytic effects.

Good luck. Benzo withdrawal sucks, and I am currently tapering with Diazepam after a 9 year severe benzo addiction.

 

[Herbal~Jah]

No one can do opiates for more then 2 days in a row and not get slight withdrawal symptoms from it... stay off the opies and just taper down and use the soma and flexril to detox bro!!

 

[naughtynicknails]

^Good luck!

Tapering benzos with benzos (long-acting ones, like clonazepam, then, diazepam for lower potency) has always been the most successful course of action for Bluelighters, including myself. Those somas will destroy your taper, as will using any other short-acting GABAergic, like alcohol.

I've never understood why this is.. surely a shorter acting drug will be easier to control and lower your dose? Drugs like diazepam will accumulate in your system even at 1 dose a day..

Not saying it's wrong i just don't understand why

 

[jambabomba]

I have severe addiction to benzos, Lyrica and phenibut. Has been replaced now to clonazepam and baclofen but Lyrica still remains.

I have been in withdrawals many times. Now I have found DXM and it really helps. You can read my posts I recently posted I don't think I should write it again here.

You can read my opinions regarding DXM here

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...M-Diphenhydramine-and-Opiate-Withdrawal/page2

And

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...withdrawing-need-help?p=10972686#post10972686

Also I have been very interested in growth hormone's role in recovery from withdrawals, you can read it here

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/638115-GH-and-recovery-from-withdrawals?p=10932689#post10932689

I also think ketogenic diet has tremendously helped me in withdrawals. I posted there some links about ketogenic diet and fasting offering neuroprotective and anticonvulsive effects wich could be very beneficial during benzo withdrawal. I have been tried to stay in ketosis during withdrawals and I feel it helps. When I use DXM I take also MCT oil so that I could stay in ketosis despite of maltitol and fructose they put in those cough syrups. This combination of dxm and ketosis is amazing really during withdrawals and makes this shit almost enjoyable.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...m-gabaergics-opinions?p=10644511#post10644511

About medication. As mentioned pregabalin is good (I have been using it at 300-600mg/day since 2009 without tolerance problems) and may help - at least helps me - during withdrawals. Valerian might help. Hydroxyzine is good foor sleep. Also gotu kola is helping me and bacopa monnieri. Of course they aren't as effective as medicines. Kava helps little but you have to take it very big amount and sometimes if you have high noradrenalin or dopamine levels (like I had sometime ago during benzo withdrawals because of amitriptyline wich is TCA) its MAO-B inhibitor effect made situation only worse. My blood pressure and BPM raised very much. And it didn't calm me down but instead stimulated like amphetamine for few hours.

But I think NMDA antagonist and serotonin booster like DXM with pregabalin would be a good combination during withdrawals.

 

[ShaunG]

Lay off the tramadol and the flexeril....both lower the seizure threshold. For 2 months of use, a taper should probably be enough to avoid most WD symptoms, but others have listed some good meds if you need them.

 

[bdomihizayka]

Thanks so much for all the information guys....I really appreciate it. I've read through all the info and links and have best prepared myself for the whole "getting off of benzos" comedown. Ya'll are great

 

[tricomb]

The best thing you could do is perform a slow taper with a benzodiazepine. Other drugs are really not going to be helpful.

Abusing opioids is probably going to be counter productive. Congratulations on making it this far!

 

[Treefa]

I'd say stick with the roxys. You should have no trouble from wd other than maybe lack of sleep and twitching.

Don't mix roxy and tramadol and soma and flexeril though because the 3 latter all lower the seizure threshold. Thats bad, ESPECIALLY during BZD wd.

 

[etnies]

I'd say stick with the roxys.

This is what you don't want to do.

 

[knightworrier]

Taper taper taper dude. And yes it does suck. I'm on Clonaz.

 

[Mycotheologist]

I have been in withdrawals many times. Now I have found DXM and it really helps. You can read my posts I recently posted I don't think I should write it again here.

I have very mild benzo w/d symptoms (been on and off benzos for about 8 months) and I gave DXM a try. Its supposed to be a stimulant but it made me lethargic so I fell asleep. It remedied the w/d symptoms that I have but put me in a bit of a drunken like stupor. I had taken trazodone the night before though and I read that there are negative interactions between that and DXM so I'm gonna give DXM another try tonight since its been 5 days since I quit the trazodone.