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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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JJ-180 said:
Kratom w/d's are a very personal thing. I used 30g a day for 8 months and stopped just like that. Three days and I felt fine. I know it's not the same for everyone, but don't scare people about Kratom.
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Yes, thats another thing. WD's werent that bad for me either. And they were virtually non-existent when I used kratom stem powder. It really is different for everyone, and WD's dont get worse if you relapse over time.

And in that respect I think kratom holds some medicinal value. I mean, prescription drugs cause withdrawals also. Many of them much worse then kratom, so do we stop using all of them also?!
 
podsnomo said:
Heroin is to kratom as meth is to caffeine. You can get a zing off kratom or caffeine, and can get addicted to both. (Kratom is a tougher animal than caffeine). But H and meth are big-time monster fucking gorillas. With H, the monkey on your back ways 4 tons. So, it's like wondering how your 3-pot-a-day coffee habit could affect your cocaine experience or something. If you have rarely or never done coke, you're gonna get super high. Same for H. And that first one, that's usually the best one. It's downhill from there. Many addicts spend their lives chasing that first buzz, and many of us have chased it to the gates of insanity and death, and worse.


Leave the H alone, please. Your playing with explosives while smoking a cigar with that shit. It's like, well, it's not killing me RIGHT NOW, so I'm OK. Nobody's dying....yet.

Sorry for ominous warnings. If it offends anyone, don't read my posts. I've seen too many live ruined to keep my mouth shut is all.
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Trust me man, i know. I've been using heroin on and off for years now. I don't like the caffiene/cocaine kratom/heroin analogy though. I like the think kratom is a little stronger than that. i was able to switch from a 1-2 mg sub habit to a modest kratom habit easily without withdrawals. I don't see how kratom can have NO effect on ones tolerance. That's really my question here, whether or not people have experience with kratom seriously effecting their tolerance. I've gone from doing like 20g of kratom a day to like 4 nickelbags of H a day. I'm really high off the H all day too.

Anyway i just plan on doing the H until i run out of my current supply.( i know a lot of people say this, but this tme i'm all alone in my addiction, and i dont like going to the city alone much) Really I'm just wondering if I'm going to need to take more kratom daily once i switch back to it.
 
i think kratom may have some chemicals in it that are opioid antagonists or there is some other mechanism that allows it to keep tolerance in check and not increase it significantly for other opioids. I'll have to look into this to find out but i remember reading something like that
 
Ive been taking kratom for about 2 years, during the past year and a half I havent let my dose increase (20-25g/day). Sure there are days I take more but I taper down the week before my next shipment comes (sometimes Ive got to stretch it to make it, but its easy with kratom). Kratom is so forgiving when it comes to tolerance and tapering, also the "less is more" statement is very true, when Im tapering I cut my doses in half and still get a very nice buzz. The buzz doesn't last as long though. This plant helps me in so many ways, most importantly it keeps me off opiates, and Id most likely be dead by now if I kept up the OC habit.

Paypal has stopped letting people buy kratom with their accounts, their obviously misinformed about this miracle plant.
 
I'm about a month off of a 600mg/day oxy problem. Medical detox which makes me feel like I cheated after hearing the stories in these forums, but surely is not at all a walk in the park (I have to ask in TDS about those side effects or what others' experiences were like). The second day out I learned what secondary w/ds are, thank you bluelight. Then I learned about Kratom and have taken it for two weeks, most days.

Started at 3g and tried everything from powders, leaves, concentrates, and have been raising the dosage as it has done the intended purpose which was lessen the withdrawals I've felt over the past two weeks and kept my mind off of the real thing. I'd call it a success but I never felt a single thing yet it got rid of the secondaries, allowing me to live for a few days there, until now. Only tonight, right now, do I think that I'm feeling it for the first time. Only difference is I took one regular Zyrtec because of hives (I believe from Kratom as I never get them and they started Sunday night) and a prep change.

Boiled about 15 grams into tea and it was also the first time I poured all the leaves into the mug and let them settle in the bottom. I did the same amount last night boiled for just as long but didn't pour the leaves into the mug. i did pop a bunch of capsules of Maeng Da - easy another 5-7 grams last night, maybe more.

Lots of firsts here, but I'm now slightly detached, blurry vision, slightly stimulated, and not much euphoria. It's calming at the same time which is odd given the feeling of blood running thru my legs which is speedy. It is consuming though... surely detached.

I'm trying to figure out if this is the Zyrtec doing something or if I'm feeling the initial stimulating effect that everyone talks about and should consider more as I'm not close to nauseous. An idea of my tolerance - of course I found some norcos around the house and have 'felt' 15-20mgs which used to be 100mg CWE with no effect. My Nucynta which I didn't even realize was an opiate I took for the wd pain and 150mgs was pretty damn good (they're aren't trash after all, good thing I had 10 of the 100 after taking 3-4 when prescribed almost two years ago and had given them all away thinking they were trash - I'm not very good at quitting after reading this:-/). So my opiate tolerance is low. Kratom is straight "Bali Bliss" crushed leaves.

I'm trying to figure out if I should go for more. And/or if anyone has taken antihistamine and felt a difference. This post is too long as it is so I'm stopping. Excuse my rookie-ness posting, just trying to paint a full picture. Thx guys for replies or moderating me straight.
 
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Guys, Kratom contains Mitragynine and 7-ohm-mitragynine. Both exhibit opioid receptor agonism and of which effects can be reversed by naloxone (antagonist).

Read the wiki pages on both chemicals for further information.

The complexities of Kratom stem from all the other active indole compounds in the plant. It's likely these play a role in mitigating respiratory depression and even susceptibility to dependence, basically making Kratom a great deal safer than the majority of opiates out there.

Always use caution, as with any psychoactive substance. But rest assured, Kratom is certainly on the "safer" side.

I do highly, highly, highly recommend, especially if you're a frequent user in larger doses, to take your dose prepared as a tea. I've experienced fairly intense bouts of nausea and dehydration from taking large amounts of this hydrophobic plant matter for several days in a row. This is merely my anecdotal experience, but taking it as a tea reduces both of these side effects down to nill. I certainly cannot say most will experience the same issues with ingesting the plant powder, but should you have either issue outlined above, switch over to the tea. You'll be surprised how Kratom will then become virtually side effect free.

Also, Tagamet (cimetidine) appears to be a potent potentiator for Kratom. Taking just 400mg of cimetidine, I've noticed vastly increased effects in terms of apparent euphoria and duration from equal doses of the same exact batch of Kratom, separated by 24 hours and taken at the same time on an empty stomach.
 
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silentcowboy said:
Ive been taking kratom for about 2 years, during the past year and a half I havent let my dose increase (20-25g/day). Sure there are days I take more but I taper down the week before my next shipment comes (sometimes Ive got to stretch it to make it, but its easy with kratom). Kratom is so forgiving when it comes to tolerance and tapering, also the "less is more" statement is very true, when Im tapering I cut my doses in half and still get a very nice buzz. The buzz doesn't last as long though. This plant helps me in so many ways, most importantly it keeps me off opiates, and Id most likely be dead by now if I kept up the OC habit.

Paypal has stopped letting people buy kratom with their accounts, their obviously misinformed about this miracle plant.
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I agree with just about everything in that post.

Tolerance is unavoidable with regular dosing, but if you cycle your dosage amounts, and take regular breaks (not necessarily cold turkey for weeks at a time, but a few 3 day segments a month at half your normal dosage, or micro doses to deal with mild wd symptoms) it works out pretty well. I've never had a problem w/ opiates, and save a few morphine/hydro experiences under medical supervision, i have no classical opiate tolerance.

So long as you don't get into a long term habit of taking the same large amount, or increasing amounts daily, and get a handle on your tolerance a few times a month it works great for so many purposes. They say cannabis is the most medicinal plant known to man, and i tend to agree, but kratom definitely gives it a run for its money. Depression, pain management, anxiety, opiate abuse maintenance, mild stimulation, hypertension, etc.

All i can say about paypal is fuck those bastards. They are not a bank, and can do whatever the fuck they want with your funds, and who you choose to buy from (so long as its legal products, like kratom). They're kinda like the DHS/Customs in that they can operate outside the law in regards to enforcement of their services. I avoid them at all costs, save for ebay. My favorite vendor uses dwolla, and i'm going to be a loyal customer until the day kratom is banned/controlled, or he takes a well deserved cash out and retires.
 
I'd heard of Kratom for help out with opioid W/D and finally after it was pointed out to me a few times I decided I'd look into it more closely. I read a few posts then decided to order some and find out for myself.
My order was in my hands last Wed and I've been using it since then.
There probably isn't much I can say that hasn't been said already. I just endorse it highly.
I have been using opioids regularly, and at times my tolerance has been pretty high. I have been through W/Ds 'in between' scripts... Tried tapering off to reduce withdrawals... Always suffered, til my next bottle of pills arrived.
This time, with a small stash left, probably a 2 day supply (120mg OC), I began using Kratom. I got the powdered Maeng-Na and made a tea with about 2g/cup.
I've been drinking that at 2-3hr intervals. And ordinarily when I stop using I'm an absolute mess.
With Kratom, instead of each day being worse than the day before... Each day is now better that the previous day, as I become adjusted and learn the best dosage.
I'm doing stuff... I don't feel great, but without it I'd be going through full blown W/Ds.

Less than a month ago I was doing about 12x 10/325 percs/day or the equivalent in OCs and at one point I was taking Fent patches sublingually @ 1/day (25mg)
This was my typical pattern on a monthly cycle... Then try to taper off to minimize W/Ds and suffer while I wait for a new supply.

With Kratom days are tolerable. The worst W/D symptom has always been depression... Bad Bad depression. It seems most opioid addicts are on the same page with me on this.
Kratom is an acceptable antidepressant for this, and I'm surprised, but it gets the job done. I'm very thankful for this because for once I am not a slave to my pill habit.

One thing that is still an issue however is insomnia. I used to have an easier time sleeping when I was on opioids and I have spent a few nights sleepless or with little sleep. Fortunately I'm unemployed and not expected to do anything demanding during the day so I'm able to get a nap in if I become too exhausted.
I have some Ativan, but if I continue with that, past experience tells me that soon that will be ineffective. So I have been using the remaining doses in my stash before bedtime and that's been working til they're gone.

Something I'd like to add - I've been finding that Astralagus tea compliments the Kratom quite nicely and sort of 'rounds off' the effect. So if anyone wants to try something new that may be worth a try.

Other than that, it's good to see that so many people are appreciating this legal medicine, and I hope it remains legal.
It is a 'real drug' however, and I'm sure it's habit forming, with the potential for abuse.
So hopefully users will treat it respectfully and don't use it senselessly.

LOL! Joke... Right? People using drugs sensibly... That'll be the day

Best wishes everyone
 
OEandricearoni said:
Trust me man, i know. I've been using heroin on and off for years now. I don't like the caffiene/cocaine kratom/heroin analogy though. I like the think kratom is a little stronger than that. i was able to switch from a 1-2 mg sub habit to a modest kratom habit easily without withdrawals. I don't see how kratom can have NO effect on ones tolerance. That's really my question here, whether or not people have experience with kratom seriously effecting their tolerance. I've gone from doing like 20g of kratom a day to like 4 nickelbags of H a day. I'm really high off the H all day too.

Anyway i just plan on doing the H until i run out of my current supply.( i know a lot of people say this, but this tme i'm all alone in my addiction, and i dont like going to the city alone much) Really I'm just wondering if I'm going to need to take more kratom daily once i switch back to it.
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I just made the switch from Oxy to Kratom. My first day I felt a little sick and I was kinda disappointed, but things are changing and I'm realizing that there's a transition in progress and right beneath the Kratom buzz there's an Oxy withdrawal going on. Ordinarily the Oxw WDs would be devastating, but I'm able to keep going now with Kratom. Try keeping that in mind when you finally give up H.
 
kratom has been a life saver for me. ive found myself doing opiates for pain due to bad back and joint problems. kratom doesnt make me withdraw if i take it 5 days in a row for work and dont use it on weekend unless im really sore

ive been taking enriched blends

4 grams of enriched borneo seems to do the trick for taking the edge off i might take 3-4 more grams thru the whole day

but pharmies were costing me 200+ a week to manage back pain and then manage not being dope sick the rest of the week
kratom is costing me less than 30 bucks a week at this point

and doesnt make me feel as sick or addicted
 
diver said:
I'd heard of Kratom for help out with opioid W/D and finally after it was pointed out to me a few times I decided I'd look into it more closely. I read a few posts then decided to order some and find out for myself.
My order was in my hands last Wed and I've been using it since then.
There probably isn't much I can say that hasn't been said already. I just endorse it highly.
I have been using opioids regularly, and at times my tolerance has been pretty high. I have been through W/Ds 'in between' scripts... Tried tapering off to reduce withdrawals... Always suffered, til my next bottle of pills arrived.
This time, with a small stash left, probably a 2 day supply (120mg OC), I began using Kratom. I got the powdered Maeng-Na and made a tea with about 2g/cup.
I've been drinking that at 2-3hr intervals. And ordinarily when I stop using I'm an absolute mess.
With Kratom, instead of each day being worse than the day before... Each day is now better that the previous day, as I become adjusted and learn the best dosage.
I'm doing stuff... I don't feel great, but without it I'd be going through full blown W/Ds.

Less than a month ago I was doing about 12x 10/325 percs/day or the equivalent in OCs and at one point I was taking Fent patches sublingually @ 1/day (25mg)
This was my typical pattern on a monthly cycle... Then try to taper off to minimize W/Ds and suffer while I wait for a new supply.

With Kratom days are tolerable. The worst W/D symptom has always been depression... Bad Bad depression. It seems most opioid addicts are on the same page with me on this.
Kratom is an acceptable antidepressant for this, and I'm surprised, but it gets the job done. I'm very thankful for this because for once I am not a slave to my pill habit.

One thing that is still an issue however is insomnia. I used to have an easier time sleeping when I was on opioids and I have spent a few nights sleepless or with little sleep. Fortunately I'm unemployed and not expected to do anything demanding during the day so I'm able to get a nap in if I become too exhausted.
I have some Ativan, but if I continue with that, past experience tells me that soon that will be ineffective. So I have been using the remaining doses in my stash before bedtime and that's been working til they're gone.

Something I'd like to add - I've been finding that Astralagus tea compliments the Kratom quite nicely and sort of 'rounds off' the effect. So if anyone wants to try something new that may be worth a try.

Other than that, it's good to see that so many people are appreciating this legal medicine, and I hope it remains legal.
It is a 'real drug' however, and I'm sure it's habit forming, with the potential for abuse.
So hopefully users will treat it respectfully and don't use it senselessly.

LOL! Joke... Right? People using drugs sensibly... That'll be the day

Best wishes everyone
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Glad to hear kratom is helping you out, for sleep try some red veins my favorites are Red Vein Thai, then Red Borneo for a second choice. Reds tend to last longer to so you can sleep longer
 
daytryptr said:
I agree with just about everything in that post.

Tolerance is unavoidable with regular dosing, but if you cycle your dosage amounts, and take regular breaks (not necessarily cold turkey for weeks at a time, but a few 3 day segments a month at half your normal dosage, or micro doses to deal with mild wd symptoms) it works out pretty well. I've never had a problem w/ opiates, and save a few morphine/hydro experiences under medical supervision, i have no classical opiate tolerance.

So long as you don't get into a long term habit of taking the same large amount, or increasing amounts daily, and get a handle on your tolerance a few times a month it works great for so many purposes. They say cannabis is the most medicinal plant known to man, and i tend to agree, but kratom definitely gives it a run for its money. Depression, pain management, anxiety, opiate abuse maintenance, mild stimulation, hypertension, etc.

All i can say about paypal is fuck those bastards. They are not a bank, and can do whatever the fuck they want with your funds, and who you choose to buy from (so long as its legal products, like kratom). They're kinda like the DHS/Customs in that they can operate outside the law in regards to enforcement of their services. I avoid them at all costs, save for ebay. My favorite vendor uses dwolla, and i'm going to be a loyal customer until the day kratom is banned/controlled, or he takes a well deserved cash out and retires.
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Man riight on spot with you. Tolerance does develop and yea one needs more Kratom. But Kratom helps me with Anxiety and Insomnia. I also wanted to ask who here feels that Kratom has mental boosting effects or nootropic? Because I would take Kratom and I would get the urge to read random stuff about the Sun, Jupiter, what the Red spot on Jupiter is about. I would use it for University studies as well.
 
It seems to work as a nootropic for me. After taking Kratom my anxiety is reduced and I get this effect, I am the type of person who always is thinking about one thing or another thing thoughts race in me after kratom stuff like that doesnt happen i am reading the book and I am in there in the text and no where else. Who else felt this?
One more noted I might have asked this question before but. As I suffer from Insomnia not severe I used Bali Kratom the more sedating blend to help me sleep it does a sure as heck of a good job infact one night I slept 11.30 hours though the next day when I wake up I feel a little hung over for an hour or two.
My question was how does Kratom effect Sleep stages& quality of sleep? My assumption is it does a good job as seen on me with Bali Kratom yet i found no literature on this.
Does it promote you to spent more time in the deep 3-4 stages of sleep or what?
 
aguythatlikessmoke said:
It seems to work as a nootropic for me. After taking Kratom my anxiety is reduced and I get this effect, I am the type of person who always is thinking about one thing or another thing thoughts race in me after kratom stuff like that doesnt happen i am reading the book and I am in there in the text and no where else. Who else felt this?
One more noted I might have asked this question before but. As I suffer from Insomnia not severe I used Bali Kratom the more sedating blend to help me sleep it does a sure as heck of a good job infact one night I slept 11.30 hours though the next day when I wake up I feel a little hung over for an hour or two.
My question was how does Kratom effect Sleep stages& quality of sleep? My assumption is it does a good job as seen on me with Bali Kratom yet i found no literature on this.
Does it promote you to spent more time in the deep 3-4 stages of sleep or what?
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I find that the sedative effects of the Premium Bali I have been using to detox off subs is a little too good,lol. I can easily sleep 12 hours or more when I usually only get 5-6 on average a night. And I do find that I seem to sleep more deeply for longer periods. This is somewhat of a problem for me because I work alot of hours and have 4 children. And since starting the Bali, I have had a couple days where I really slept too long and it was hard for me to get up and get going. I really need something that will help raise my energy level and not knock me out so hard. Although those couple days of good hard sleep were sorely needed and that quite possibly had something to do with it too. But the Bali definitely helped.

Someone on another forum suggested that I try Red vein Thai and Maeng Da. He said they are both more energizing and the Red vein Thai is also nicely euphoric. The way he talked about it makes me really want to give it a try.

I have not found any literature on this subject, but from my experience and the reports I have seen from others, Bali does definitely help some people sleep longer and more deeply for longer periods.
 
whatever Kratom has red in it tends to be stimulating. I took Bali Red kratom today and I started cleaning my flat apartment like crazy washing my table my floor taking out the trash lol. And then I just sat down and chilled and listened to music. Sometimes the sedating strains such bali kratom but not bali red kratom tend to be more therapeutic than recreational.
 
I love Kratom all of the strains use them to your advantage and I realized to take breaks not to let tolerance build up. Kratom is very medical and has a lot of benefits, I consider it to be Nootropic as well. Anybody weaning off Opiods has to give Kratom a shot. And dont take Codeine or Tramadol Kratom any day over those two.
Kratom dont cause death or overdose , Look at the rappers in Texas drinking Purple syrup overdosing on Codeine.
Kratom has a special affinity for the mu and Delta opiod receptor such that it avoids side effects such as severe respiratory depression.
7 hydroxymitragyna if that is the main chemical I believe has better pain killing properties than Morphine and better in vitro binding ability to Opiod Receptors.
 
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