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New and relatively new RCs - Guinea Pigs queue on the left please

Sounds like there's going to be some synthetic cannabinoid bans coming soon to a UK RC vendor near you.

This is according to a well-known RC vendor website, I couldn't find any background info.


Not a big deal to me, I have a small stash that will last me ages as I'm not a big stoner, but thought some of you might like to know.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/oct/11/annihilation-legal-high-targeted-ban
Looks like it comes from this story.
Note:
"Iversen said annihilation was a potent synthetic cannabinoid compound that replicated the active ingredients in cannabis and was among hundreds of compounds that the ACMD will recommend next week be banned by the home secretary, Theresa May."

If they really are banning hundreds of compounds and not just cannabinoids then I guess that'll be the death of the UK RC industry in its current form. Of course there will be ways round it but going the illegal route (probably safer health-wise anyway) or increased buying from overseas vendors are the two most likely outcomes of this I'd have thought.
 
Fuck sake, hundreds of compounds! Fuck!

Ah well. It'll just mean the european RC web sites will see a massive increase in trade, and it'll give street dealers here a load of new commodities to cut to fuck and sell.
 
Mental Kenny said:
Hundreds seems like an exageration, I mean that's way too many.
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Dunno, it's a copy and paste from Theresa May's mouth isn't it, I bet there are hundreds of synth cannabinoids now. They seem to just keep adding numbers to their chemical names.

Then there dozens of ketamine/pcp style drugs that I've read about on here. Well, probably about 20.
 
When did MXE get banned? Surely its 1 year is coming up soon... lets up we're as inept at the yanks and it becomes legal again!

(not for you though knock, :)
 
knockando said:
Dunno, it's a copy and paste from Theresa May's mouth isn't it, I bet there are hundreds of synth cannabinoids now. They seem to just keep adding numbers to their chemical names.

Then there dozens of ketamine/pcp style drugs that I've read about on here. Well, probably about 20.
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Yeah you're probably right. That would explain the 50% discount on all incense I've seen on some sites. Hopefully a few will pass under the radar, especially the dissociatives.
 
doorknob said:
When did MXE get banned? Surely its 1 year is coming up soon... lets up we're as inept at the yanks and it becomes legal again!

(not for you though knock, :)
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March.
Wonder if they'll be doing what they did with mephedrone and raiding houses known to have purchased kilo quantities shortly before the ban.
 
Munroe said:
March.
Wonder if they'll be doing what they did with mephedrone and raiding houses known to have purchased kilo quantities shortly before the ban.
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Did they? How come they didn't raid every website selling it, because presumably that's where all the 'replacements' came from... cut mephedrone sold as NRG-MK5 or whatever.
 
doorknob said:
When did MXE get banned? Surely its 1 year is coming up soon... lets up we're as inept at the yanks and it becomes legal again!

(not for you though knock, :)
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/oct/11/annihilation-legal-high-targeted-ban

The drugs advisers will also next week confirm a ban on the first legal high to be controlled under the government's new "temporary banning legislation". It is expected to tell the home secretary that the evidence exists to retain the ban on methoxetamine, which was placed on a temporary class drug order in April.' :(Looks like its staying banned

Cant wait for odt to come back it was the most euphoric opi i've ever had, my fav by far! i gave up on ah-7921 after 200mg with no effects but reading this thread ima give it another whack :D I think i read somewhere that it doesn't cause respiratory depression can anyone confirm or refute this?
 
Munroe said:
March.
Wonder if they'll be doing what they did with mephedrone and raiding houses known to have purchased kilo quantities shortly before the ban.
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I never heard of that ever actually happening.
 
^^

Good to see you about CK:)

I have had a bit of a dabble with AH7921, I'm not sure why people would suggest it does not cause respiratory depression. I'm not at all experienced with opiates but it gave me the same slightly tight chested feeling I've had from morphine, nothing concerning but definitely there none the less.
 
Cheers mate :)
Quick search came up with
bigcol75 said:
^ This. I'd also be keen to know of possible interactions with Benzos - particularly as the (limited) info available on AH-7921 seems to suggest that respiratory depression is not as severe as with other opioids. Can anyone suggest if there's any likely disasters which could occur with moderate benzo use (about 10-20mg diazepam daily) and an AH-7921 dose yet to be established but for analgesia rather than getting nutted. Cheers, wise people.
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on the other hand;
StretchOutAndWait said:
I've now taken 25mg and 35mg sublingually twice (this is the new UK batch, I don't really have an opioid tolerance at the moment). Neither time have I had particular problems with the tongue - it's not much fun but it feels to me bitter rather than caustic. Possibly larger doses would be more problematic - I imagine I'll find out.

Both times have been due to being in moderate abdominal pain and not wanting to wait for my prescribed Tramadol to kick in orally. Both times the pain was completely gone within about 15 mins (the first one was after consuming alcohol and etizolam, hence the higher dose the second time, although I had admittedly taken some diazepam earlier so perhaps it wasn't really necessary). Neither time was there particular euphoria, although I did perhaps feel slight contentment.

I also somewhat foolishly vaped some aMT about 3 hours after the 35mg dosage because I felt tired (had taken a lot of stimulants the previous evening and not really slept). I vaped around 30mg of aMT from that point onwards repeatedly ever 2-3 hours for the next 15 or so hours (vaping is an incredibly inefficient ROA but feels so lovely). Didn't seem to be any negative interactions or ill effects. But then I have no idea what the half-life of AH-7921 is or whether a significant amount was still in my system.

Update 2pm: Just SLed 55mg. At this dose it was somewhat painful for the first 10-15 minutes but whether it's actually corrosive I cannot say. I could also feel the blood supply in my mouth - my lips actually began pulsating and I was worried I was having an allergic reaction, but I don't think I was. After 20 mins feels pretty much OK. I might even feel quite pleasant, actually...

Right, OK, so yesterday I took 55mg sublingually around 2pm. I went to the pub, played a couple of games of pool, stretched a gin and tonic over around three hours and still felt very little, so took another 35mg sublingually around 3.5 hours later.

Immediately after this, I began to exhibit many of the signs of a slight opioid overdose: nausea, light-headedness, itchiness, drowsiness, shallow breathing, decreased heart rate (around 58 bpm). It was fairly unpleasant and I felt quite anxious as I realised that I have no idea of the dose response curve of AH-7921. It felt like it might be very steep.

I was conscious and made sure I was around people for the next few hours, as I continued to feel this way. Around midnight, I lay in my flatmate's bed as I felt I was about to go to sleep. He was watching a film in the room and I asked him to keep an eye on me.

I lay there for around 2 incredible hours while experiencing a generally very pleasant, quite hallucinogenic nod. I felt my body rise up out of the bed and start to fly around the room, which was pretty cool. I then felt a moment of terror as I seemed to fall a long way, and was convinced I could hear my flatmate making vaguely menacing remarks, although he assures me that he wasn't. There was no nausea durng this period.

This stopped after a while and I went to my own bed. I had the sort of typical, slightly opiated sleep where your skin feels really warm and you feel slightly more conscious during your dreams, which are all pretty enjoyable.

Don't think I'll be messing with this recreationally again. It does seem very effective as a painkiller at low doses but the dose required for a slight nod entailed far too many adverse symptoms for far too long for it to be worth it.
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Spose until much more is known it should def be treated with caution. Is sublingual worth the taste/ittitatation? &whats the best roa? oral, sniffed, smoked or rectal?

& Anyone tried/heard more about that water soluble benzo? Pyrazolam i think its called.
 
knockando said:
Fuck sake, hundreds of compounds! Fuck!

Ah well., increase in trade, and it'll give street dealers here a load of new commodities to cut to fuck and sell.
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Aye, exactly it will just shift the trade to the EU vendors. It'll just mean the european RC web sites will see the UK buyers, buying from them instead of the uk sites. Theres is always a slight element of risk with ovrseas ordering though, but Im not going to temp fate or jinx myself by elaborting any further on that.

Its actually taken me several years to find a synthetic noid that i actually like;mam2201. Far more chilled & dozey, and far less panicky out of control 'wild horses' racing round my head than from any previous noid i'd tried.. I wont be trying to play it smart this time, in waiting for the prices to drop for the vendors clearances. We saw what happned last time with mxe; here one minute gone the net.

These substances to go a very long way indeed, I will definately be getting a little more MAM in. Just not decided how much yet,.
 
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ddhats said:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/oct/11/annihilation-legal-high-targeted-ban
Looks like it comes from this story.
Note:
"Iversen said annihilation was a potent synthetic cannabinoid compound that replicated the active ingredients in cannabis and was among hundreds of compounds that the ACMD will recommend next week be banned by the home secretary, Theresa May."

If they really are banning hundreds of compounds and not just cannabinoids then I guess that'll be the death of the UK RC industry in its current form. Of course there will be ways round it but going the illegal route (probably safer health-wise anyway) or increased buying from overseas vendors are the two most likely outcomes of this I'd have thought.
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Just following up on a report over on PR (Pachas) - people mention that they could be linked to the drug 5-it. I can't really find any links to the stamp / content so if you or anyone has any information that could help let me have the link (please)
 
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