First time with Ketamine: advices & more.

[hawaii]

Good day everyone at Bluelight,
I used to read many threads here and finally decided to join the Bluelight family.
I know there are other threads like the one I'm about to write too, hopefully this is not a problem.
I would like to have my own one about my first K experience and have a direct feedback.

I'm a 23 year old guy and I make electronic music. I own a couple of labels and co-own a third one.
I don't make a living out of yet, but I'm working on it and I'm happy about my work.

My weight is 65 kg.
Past drugs experiences with: hash/marijuana, mushrooms, lsa, lsd, 4 fma, mdma, cocaine, mephedrone.

I'm interested in trying and experimenting with Ketamine and my interest initially came from a personal will of research and introspection.
I started reading a lot about this substance and I came up with many books and ideas about it:
-"Ketamine: Dreams & Realities" by Karl Jansen.
-"Near-Death-Experiences" by Ornella Corazzza.
-"Alternatives to Involuntary Death" by Timothy Leary.
-"Altered States", a movie about John Lilly,
and other various books/articles.

I spoke a lot about it with my psychiatrist too.
He said my will of research, my prudence and my attitude is to be considered healthy.
What somehow worries me is to became insane, but reading John Lilly's books, seemed to be a "normal" feeling.
What interests me the most is to simulate a NDE, it could be enlightening for me. I read it can be very transformative and that K is a powerful antidepressant too. I used to suffer depression, now I'm a bit more happy but still I feel my life is "spiritually pointless".
Also, what interests me is to stimulate and enhance my abstract thinking, something that already happened with LSA & LSD.

Here the questions, very simple for an experienced user I guess.
-Which is the perfect place for the first time? Is it safe to do it alone? I thought about doing it lying in my bed in my studio.
-What do i have to expect from the first time? do i start with bumps? is the k-hole dose to be avoided the first time?
-Which kind of music is suitable? i had many synesthesias with LSA and LSD, and the music was enhanced a lot. Does ketamine do the same thing?
-i got ketamine testers. i read the isomer s is the most psychedelic one. is that true?

I hope to find some help and understanding about this.

 

[AllRounder]

Ket is a past favourite of mine. It's not a current one only because of a lack of access since I moved country.

These may not be the best ways but I've enjoyed all but one experience with Ket, but I'll get to that later.

The best place is somewhere you feel comfortable, physically and emotionally and won't be disturbed. You can do it alone but I've always found it to be better with other people.
The first time I had any was a "cheeky line" a 2 inch (5cm) thin line. It was the same as being really drunk but with a clear head. I suggest a nice one like this for a first time so you don't put yourself something you may enjoy.
For trips I always start off with a cheeky line (I always take nasally) and after about 20 minutes a fat line, usually around 10cm x 0.5cm. Have another one ready for when you come back because K's also a tranquilizer so you'll be feeling groggy and sluggish with lower motor functions (like being drunk -balanced on a wall outside a fast food takeaway level).
When it starts to kick in, personally, I get 2 types of sensation before the main trip kicks in. 1- like tightly holding a fistful of dry sand as it drains away and 2- a "ziggy" feeling almost like my body was made of stacked layers which started to slightly but firmly shifting. This only lasted...hard to tell really, K fucks with your sense of time, probably about 10 minutes or so if you don't go beyond this after 20 minutes take a bit more.

Do it in a room that's trip friendly. No weird smiley faces, no watching action movies (had a mate do it whilst watching the 1980's Transformers movie and freaked out because he thought he was Megatron. Good whilst Megaton was winning but not so good at the end. So don't watch movies) have some relaxing or lightly funky music playing, nothing aggressive.
I've always found analogue music such as records are better for background music since you feel the music more but digital works as well.
Expect to sit there, not moving for up to half an hour at a time staring out at patterns, be they in the carpet, spiderwebs, scratches or grains in wood, going in and out of little worlds often leaving with a sudden jolt.
Some batches of K gave me a bad come down, pure batches (Megatron-man tried his hand at cooking) just left me feeling groggy and tired needing a good sleep to get over it. The worst come downs wouldn't let you down so gentle but were all good after a puke, so keep a bucket right next to you just in case.

Just keep calm and relaxed on K, some times you see/feel your body melding with objects like wooden tables, just accept it happening and you'll be grand.
Keep away from fridges, florencent lights or anything else making an electric hum, also bright lights was one for me.
If things go bad, drink plenty of orange juice (was what I was told) as the vitamin C helps brings you out of it a bit, and lay down in a dark comfortable, quiet place.
Effects generally lasted 4-7 hours (although I generally topped up so probably less for one go). When you're back in reality between trips your perception of time, distance, width and height will all be affected so be careful around stairs and objects in your path.

Summary:
Only take when not stressed, in a calm, low lit, comfortable environment with relaxing or friendly feel good music on.
1/3 a gram is enough to go all night, 1/2 for trippy night, 1g if you want to stay in that other world/s. Personally 1/3 is enough for me and I don't take half measures.
Light and sound are main triggers so beware of washing machines, driers, microwaves, fridgefreezers, etc... although PC with music was fine.
Have playlists or whole CDs ready as you may feel heavy or slightly paralyzed for minutes at a time but they never last more than a few minutes and are often just between trips. Personally I like them as they stop you getting up and wandering around the place. It's always good to come back to reality and have your body where you left it.
You still have some control so you can pull back to reality or go for a walk (so long as it's not a large dose).

Best trip - pure serenity and a feeling of oneness with the world. This was with friends playing a relaxing hippy CD and a ladybird (or ladybug for US) landed on me.
Worst trip - someone stuck some punk rock on, stuck in a whirlpool of red with Luffy's face from Onepiece lining the vortex. Ended with motion sickness and vomiting.
General trip - contentment exploring another realm with vivid colours and sensations.

On the whole great times but it's best to have a heads up on the worst you can may experience.

 

[Juremo]

I consider there to be (at least) two distinct ways to use ketamine: as a party-drug or a psychedelic drug. I think these are two totally different ways to approach it and therefore come with different recommendations.
like me, you seem to be interested in the psychedelic aspects. I would not consider sub-hole dosages particularly enlightening or introspective (more like physical and mental bubblewrap) so I would certainly try to reach a hole.
My recommendations for this are

1. Set
i find that K has its own strong character and is hardly influenced by what kind of mindset you are in before. Perhaps it is comparable to the way dreams are influenced by what you've done before: sometimes it's obvious sometimes enigmatic why you dream such strange stuff. You won't have a depressing trip if you are depressed however. That's a nice but also dangerous thing (because it is a way to escape)
There is typically no fear or scary thoughts, just infinite weirdness. And no, you won't go crazy.

2. Setting:
on a bed or couch is fine. Sitting on a couch wrapped in a blanket is great. You won't be able to get up or jump around so nothing to worry about.
I have never used a trip-sitter although it might be prudent to have someone being with you (I don't want to discourage harm-reduction).

3. Dosage:
I have only experience with S-Isomer Ketamine (reportedly half the dosage is needed). With Ketanest S injection bottles (the only pharmaceutical brand of S-Ketamine I am aware of) I use 40-50 mg injected in the deltoid (my weight is the same as yours).
You should certainly try a safer ROA first but I have not been able to hole with snorted K. If you should decide to IM make sure that you do a lot of research first. Above all: use always fresh sterile needles and syringes and only pharma quality injection bottles you uncapped yourself.

I just realized you'll find all this information at http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine_info3.shtml
it basically tells the same story as I did.

 

[J.Wallace]

We can't help you obtain an illegal substance, all we can do is give you advice on the best way to take these substances. For example, Ketamine as you know is a dissociative. When you take it you'll want to be in a calm and relaxing environment, preferably one you are at least some what familiar in. I'd recommend not turning on any strobe lights, just soft ambient lighting is recommended, perhaps Christmas lights or a dim lamp light. If it's cooked Ketamine powder, which is what I'm most familiar with, crush it up under an ID or Credit Card, then lightly chop it up into a few tiny lines. If it makes you feel more comfortable, you can do tiny bumps instead. I'd personally recommend spacing out doses by at least 10 minutes. Considering it's your first time doing Ketamine I would not recommend doing K-hole sized doses just yet. After you do your first line or bump, I'd recommend sitting down on a comfortable couch and having a tv on maybe turned down low. Perhaps have a little bit of music going in the background. Be sure to stay hydrated as well. Have a bottle or glass of water near by that you can drink in between doses.

Edit -

3. Dosage:
I have only experience with S-Isomer Ketamine (reportedly half the dosage is needed). With Ketanest S injection bottles (the only pharmaceutical brand of S-Ketamine I am aware of) I use 40-50 mg injected in the deltoid (my weight is the same as yours).
You should certainly try a safer ROA first but I have not been able to hole with snorted K. If you should decide to IM make sure that you do a lot of research first. Above all: use always fresh sterile needles and syringes and only pharma quality injection bottles you uncapped yourself.

I don't think IM the first time is good advice honestly. It can certainly be a safer roa, but for someone who is just trying it for a first time I think snorting is sufficient enough. I mentioned above that I don't recommend trying to go straight for a K-hole. Ketamine can be very overwhelming at high doses, especially if you are unfamiliar with it's effects. The second or third time I did Ketamine my friend had laid out .15 sized line for me. It was recently cooked Ketamine, not sure what type of liquid it came from but point being it was of high quality. I did it all in a straight line and ended up getting rocked out of my body. Ketamine also has a habit of making you feel sick in your stomach, maybe even like your going to throw up. This is why it's not recommend to eat anything at least an hour and a half to two hours before dosing on K.

 

[wayab]

What interests me the most is to simulate a NDE, it could be enlightening for me. I read it can be very transformative and that K is a powerful antidepressant too. I used to suffer depression, now I'm a bit more happy but still I feel my life is "spiritually pointless".
Also, what interests me is to stimulate and enhance my abstract thinking, something that already happened with LSA & LSD.

Here the questions, very simple for an experienced user I guess.
-Which is the perfect place for the first time? Is it safe to do it alone? I thought about doing it lying in my bed in my studio.
-What do i have to expect from the first time? do i start with bumps? is the k-hole dose to be avoided the first time?
-Which kind of music is suitable? i had many synesthesias with LSA and LSD, and the music was enhanced a lot. Does ketamine do the same thing?
-i got ketamine testers. i read the isomer s is the most psychedelic one. is that true? is there a safe place on the web to get pure liquid ketamine s isomer?

I hope to find some help and understanding about this.

its perfect for your case, nde's are pretty common with high dosage

1) perfect place - at home, in bed, with favorite music(with as less sounds as possible for the higher doses but still music is very important then ambient and drone are my favorites, i used to do my own music for my experiances wich i can see you doing in the future once you get a feel for what you need)
2) its best to start low and build up from there. its not nesesary to skip the hole the first time but its best to gradualy get there rather than try to reach it in a single dose
3) all music is wonderfull for k, but some more than others depending on dosage and personal preferance. try stuff like deep trance, ambient, drone etc. there is synestesia with k.
4)im not sure about the s isomer but the consensus is that its more psychedelic, and yes there are certain anonymous online markets that provide it(hope this isn't considered soursing)

have a great trip! k is the single most amazing substance in existance imo! nothing gets anywhere near

 

[hawaii]

Thank you so much guys.
Looking forward to get other advices too!

 

[Juremo]

I don't think IM the first time is good advice honestly.

This was not the advice I gave. I wrote "You should certainly try a safer ROA first".
Anyway, I just summarized my experience, which is not to be taken as a recommendation in any way.
One should always be careful when trying a new drug.

I agree with Wayab that music an add a lot. I always listen to the same album because it was so amazing the first time: "tuu - all our ancestors"... some tribal minimal ambient from the uk, it's amazing.

 

[lightforce]

I would suggest not eating before you do it. It can cause some nausea.

Also just dip your toes into the water before you dive in. Take a small key bump to see if you are ready to get the full meal deal, it might not be the drug for you. After that and you're ready to experience what it has to offer, rack up a show stopper line and get prepared to float through the infinite and weird world of your mind.

I prefer to just lay in bed or on my couch and close my eyes. Try and make it as dark as possible and for music put on whatever you prefer. I've had the TV on before and it just makes it even weirder, almost like I'm connecting with whats going on on TV.

 

[hawaii]

Thank you.
Personally I'll go they way you suggested.
A K-Hole the first time sounds stupid to me.

What confuses me tho, is that all the people I met so far who tried it are divided.
Some friends love it and use it on a regular basis, others are just like: "I hate K, don't even try it...it's a sad drug blablabla".
Why people should hate it if it's a powerful antidepressant too? They should feel fine after that.

Honestly, from what I read by John Lilly & more...seems exactly what I'm looking for in my life right now.

 

[ct_ct]

Thanks for the tips these can really help me. Planning on trying ketamine sometime soon.

 

[wayab]

, others are just like: "I hate K, don't even try it...it's a sad drug blablabla".

perhaps you heard it from this type of people: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/649018-Someone-explain-the-enjoyment-of-tripping-to-me ?

 

[pyro2525]

Definitely test the waters first with smaller amounts so you know what you are getting yourself into. I have been to other galaxies and I have forgotten that I am human and what that entails and re-realized it. These are extreme examples which can show you why some people don't like it, especially when you cannot move or form complete sentences.

Speaking personally I have only been able to hole a couple times by snorting and all of those instances I do not remember the experience. However injecting is definitely jumping into the deep end..

I would suggest downtempo if you want to listen to music, maybe Shpongle.

Ketamine isn't known for synesthesia. In reality it causes a loss/disconnection from the senses, starting from smell/taste, touch and the last to go as you start holing are hearing and vision (although on some basic level these can still function while being unconscious, i.e. being able to take in and respond to stimuli autonomically). However the loss of the first senses seem to enhance the experience of the last ones since they are all that you are experiencing. Once the senses are gone the mind roams free.

There is a huge synergy from LSD + Ketamine however, they mix perfectly.

 

[lightforce]

I had a bad experience with LSD + Ketamine. Took 2 hits an proceeded to do a fat line 2 hours later and K-holed. Thought I had died and wasn't coming back to life but after I came out I was able to calm down and had a good trip. Now that my tolerance is up I still combine the two but don't K-hole myself.