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Doggy-style is degrading to women?!

Yeah, the guy was really tall and would push me down to where it was uncomfortable for me. Short ones? No problem. :)

I'm only 5'8 or 5'9 so maybe that's why Ive never had a chick complain about doggy.

oh what I would do for a gf with a fine booty...dog-gy-style!

I loves me a good booty too. I don't give much for big tits at all but a nice fine booty is so damn tempting.
 
my first time i had a hard time getting it in, the memory is still torturous, 45 minutes to an hour of wonderful frustration...finally i told her to turn around and started trying from behind, she told her friends she thought i was going for her ass and was always reluctant to do it doggy style after that.

Eau, no! I would be scared too D:

No matter what though, it's way better from behind. Degrading in no way, shape, or form. Period.
 
Umm, I just overheard some women talking about this and their opinion was that it must be the most “Vanilla” position for women. In that there’s not much going on for you in it, and it’s mostly about the guy enjoying himself with some piece of ass, and almost using you as something to masturbate with. One of them said it was the kind of thing where she’d just drift away and watch the clock.

I don’t think it has to be seen like that, but it’s not one of the more “sharing” positions or so much something you can share together. And in a way it is more about the man enjoying himself with some flesh and nice visuals and can make you feel quite exchangeable indeed. I think the only way for a female to really enjoy it is if you’re someone who enjoy letting a guy use your body for his pleasure and are able to take part in his pleasure and enjoy it through him, which I can when I’m in the mood for it. But I know there are many women who can’t and just find it really bland or like it makes them feel unloved. Though with that mindset it must be almost impossible to really enjoy a sexual relationship with a man as their sexuality often boils down to just reaching for some random piece of meat and there’s not much more on offer.

Either way, sexual positions are really just ways to express and experience certain types of sexuality, and what someone prefer are quite telling about them, not just as lovers, but even as human beings. I’ve always thought a great lover is someone who can make just basic missionary really exciting, as in the end it’s not really about positions but about the person you’re with and the feelings between you (at least for women tends to be). And I think men who don’t enjoy the embracing type of positions might as well have “Fucker, not Lover” branded on their forehead, and it indicates they’re pretty cold with little love to offer, at least in their sexuality. I also think some variation of missionary is ultimately the most powerful for most women as it’s not only the most emotional and connecting, but also the most masculine, or gives you the strongest experience of being with a MAN. It doesn’t have to be boring, all depends on the man and how you feel about him, especially being fucked hard up against a wall can be really hot and the first time with a new lover can be really mind-blowing. Providing it’s someone you have feelings for and want to enter into a relationship with, that is.

I think the difference between men and women is that women will be feeling like that most of the time when they are starting a sexual relationship, while men often get into it just for the sex, so there is no basis to enjoy more intimate positions, or no love or desire for closeness in a sexual union. In that case, more romantic sex is just a charade and pretty much pointless, and both will be experiencing some type of emptiness. No doubt this is one reason for the sexual conflict between men and women, as you’re simply getting into a sexual relationship for different reasons and are looking for different things from it altogether. And although I’ve grown to be more comfortable with the more anonymous “being used for pleasure” kind of thing, which most women do after they get over their teenage angst period where they just want to feel loved, I have no interest in any kind of sexual relationship with a man who’s not capable or willing to make love. I mean, with all the men to choose from in the world it’s not like you’re going to pick the one who can’t give you what you enjoy the most. So I don’t really know how women cope with some men, but I guess this is why so many prefer to keep the sex to a minimum and appear to dislike it altogether.

Funny how men and women can be so different and sometimes I think instead of women being encouraged to be bisexual, who have more than enough (poor) sex available as it is, men should instead be encouraged to be as to have an outlet for their excessive and ultra-masculine sexuality. My ex was just getting curious about sex with guys when we got together and I encouraged him to explore it and while we were together he must have fucked well over 25 men. It was a good little system, not because I needed someone to unburden me (though there are women who sure could), as we were sexually addicted to each other anyway, it was just some extra fun and like a secret we shared together. And he sure didn’t nurse any delicate feelings for those men or viewed them as any more than pieces of flesh, which suited me just fine. Sometimes I’d come along to watch and sometimes he’d go alone and just tell me about it later, both which were hot.

Anyway, if you want to get the best sex as possible out of a woman I wouldn’t advise you to refuse to make love or bully her for her natural sexual preferences. That is just going to turn her anti-sex and kill any motivation to have sex with you. Instead you just have to accept that men are men and women are women and we are what we are (i.e. somewhat sexually different, unless you have an extremely feminine male or an extremely masculine female, but where’s the attraction or hotness in that?) and also go along with the kind of sex they like and make the best out of it and put your heart into it. That way they will associate sex with you with a great experience, have a much higher drive, and be happy to reward you with what you like.

Nothing sadder than seeing a couple with no empathy or love for each other who are only into their own masculine/feminine type of sexuality and have no desire or get no joy out of giving pleasure to each other. Might as well be celibate/gay in that case. No wonder there are so many sexually frustrated couples, with women who can’t get any sexual fulfillment, and men who can’t get laid at all. But that’s just the beautiful world of male-female sexual relationships, LOL. And I can laugh about it as I’ve come to terms with it but I know there are many who don’t find it as much fun.
 
as their sexuality often boils down to just reaching for some random piece of meat and there’s not much more on offer.

Oh yes, I don't dearly love any of the chicks I'm sexual with at all and none of them are for me different than any other arbitrary person would be.

While men often get into it just for the sex
Correct, I derive zero enjoyment at all from talking about science with Sophie, or going to art events with Ms.G, etc. That's why I do these things so much and look forward to them.

more romantic sex is just a charade and pretty much pointless

Yes, why in the hell would I want to be at all emotionally intimate with people who are a big part of my life and who I admire as human beings?

I mean, with all the men to choose from in the world it’s not like you’re going to pick the one who can’t give you what you enjoy the most.

It is unlikely, but not impossible. Factor out the men who are too old/young/gay/unappealing for some overt reason, and the sample you're left with is probably not THAT overwhelmingly huge, selecting at random from that pool would still almost certainally wind up with some women paired with their ideal man.

No doubt this is one reason for the sexual conflict between men and women

What conflict? I'm not familiar with having a sexual conflict myself.

othing sadder than seeing a couple with no empathy or love for each other who are only into their own masculine/feminine type of sexuality and have no desire or get no joy out of giving pleasure to each other. Might as well be celibate/gay in that case.

Because, homosexuals have ZERO empathy or love for each other and have no desire to, nor do they enjoy, giving pleasure to their partner. Please clarify masculine vs feminine type sexuality. I have found that the girls I have been with, well, the function f(sexuality)=rangrzs/girls is everywhere continuous yet nowhere differentiable from my own?
 
Oh yes, I don't dearly love any of the chicks I'm sexual with at all and none of them are for me different than any other arbitrary person would be.

No need to take it personally because it wasn't meant that way at all. I'm aware that a man can have just as much, if not more, heart in his sexuality as a woman and that this is more of a high-consciousness quality than a female one.

I was just generalising, and when it comes to the average person females TEND to be more emotional in their sexuality and seek it out for love and intimacy more so than males, IN GENERAL. Not commenting on the many exceptions but just the general trend. i.e. it's not as common to hear girls complain about romantic sex being boring and that it's supposed to be more like porn, etc.

Anyway, I like your comments and find them encouraging - good example of how it's also possible for men to experience sexuality more on the emotional/spiritual level, even if many will say "I have no idea what you're talking about and have no experience with that at all", and many reading this actually won't. I should know, as I've had enough talks with males about it that have made them look like giant question marks.

It's actually quite confusing having to relate to men when they can be so different and you pretty much have to be prepared for anything. Some men's sexuality seems to have been completely formed by porn, while other's are not that dissimilar from my own, and it can be a completely different world depending who you get with. While men, I don't feel, aren't very clear about this. Typically they are very into their own sexuality and tend to assume everyone else are the same way and it's the only way that's right. It's quite funny because they're all so self-assured about it when their opinions can wary wildly.

I don't even mean it in a disrespectful way as I think everyone has the right to their own sexuality and it's not that much of a choice, but like most I look for someone reasonably compatible, if possible.

Yes, why in the hell would I want to be at all emotionally intimate with people who are a big part of my life and who I admire as human beings?

LOL. Believe it or not, but some men are so consumed by lust they prefer to keep things like "emotional intimacy" out of their sexlife. Many are just of the opinion that they can get enough of it OUTSIDE of their sexual life, that it has no place within it, and just gets in the way of their own sexual satisfaction. Might be disappointing for you to find if it's one of the main things you're looking for, but hey, welcome to the world. This is possible as the state of mind of someone who just wants to use someone's body for physical satisfaction can be a million miles apart from the state of mind of someone who wants to use their sexuality as a means of powerfully connecting with someone and having a real experience of love.

Factor out the men who are too old/young/gay/unappealing for some overt reason, and the sample you're left with is probably not THAT overwhelmingly huge, selecting at random from that pool would still almost certainally wind up with some women paired with their ideal man.

I agree it's possible to fall for someone you're sexually uncompatible with, as these things aren't really controlled that way, just that if you had the choice you wouldn't ideally choose them for a partner. But in some cases you might just have to meet halfway, make a compromise, and make the best of it. This seems to be a pretty common scenario, especially between men and women. It sometimes seems to me like everyone are complaining about their sexlife making me wish they'd just do something a bit more constructive about it.

Because, homosexuals have ZERO empathy or love for each other and have no desire to, nor do they enjoy, giving pleasure to their partner.

Come on, that has nothing to do with what I was trying to say. I was trying to make the point how some male/female couples have so little sexually in common, and get so little joy out of being with each other and fulfilling each other's needs, they almost might as well be with someone of the same sex when they don't find the same sex attractive or be better off that way. Get it now?

Also, in my experience real empathy in that sense is not all that widespread, and I'm not going to say it's all the same just to be democratic - because it's actually hard to find. If it was more common you wouldn't hear so many complain about not getting their needs met as they would be too busy talking about how much they enjoy fulfilling someone else's.

Please clarify masculine vs feminine type sexuality. I have found that the girls I have been with, well, the function f(sexuality)=rangrzs/girls is everywhere continuous yet nowhere differentiable from my own?

Oh dear. You obviously didn't stop to give it much thought because there are so many differences I could never list them all in one go. Or are you really trying to argue that men and women are sexually identical? In a way it's more like we're mirror images or opposites of each other when it comes to these things.

Just to give a few typical examples - men want more sex, men want sooner sex, men want more physical sex, men are the sexual predators while women are the victims, men often pretend to be in love just so they can get sex, making new conquests raises a man's status while it lowers a woman's, etc. etc. I could go on endlessly and these differences are what lead to many of the conflicts and create much disharmony in the sexual relationship between men and women. No, not in every single individual case, there are exceptions everywhere, but as a general trend it's something most would recognise. And it's not about what is right, or whatever, just differences we tend to run into that create problems.

I'm not even trying to make an argument when it comes to these points, as I think they're pretty self-evident, or claim that one sex is more right or superior to the other. I'm trying to be fair and simply say the many sexual differences between men and women present us with many challenges and there's a need to find ways to deal with them more constructively. Or find ways to collaborate and support each other, instead of fighting each other, to turn it into something more positive. At least that's my opinion. Might sound easy enough in theory, but seems difficult for most to carry out in practice.
 
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On topic, there are basically two ways that a man can work over a woman: he can make love to her or she can be fucked by him. Doggystyle definitely falls into the latter category. And I think what happens with some women, especially those not that sexually-experienced, is that they want to 'make love' because they worry that wanting to 'be fucked' will make them seem/feel/look like a slut or similar.

Very well said Red!

Also, I've always thought that "physically" it should/would be the best and most satisfying position for both males and females. I mean the outside of a male penis (when erect the part of the shaft facing out) rubs against the part of the vagina with the most fleshiness (g-spot etc.). However, when doing missionary, the most sensitive part of the penis is rubing against the bottom of the vagina and I could be wrong but I don't think there's as much feeling there as opposed to the top. Not to mention the clitoris and all. Women? That's what I've always thought, at least.
 
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Any kind of sex act can be described as degrading. Sex is something that happens mostly between two people what they do together and how they do it is really up to them. Personally I love receiving it doggy style.
 
I think maybe some people find doggy-style degrading because it seems more 'animalistic' or something and the woman is in a more 'subdued' position. That's just my guess, it's always been my favorite personally.
 
One of my favourite positions from behind is lying on my stomache with a pillow under my hips while he straddles my thighs and I hear him enjoy himself. It's just easier to relax and get comfortable and it and doesn't make you as tense as some other positions.

Another I like is when he bends you over something like a desk, with most of your clothes still on, which can be really hot and impulsive. I also like when a guy lies down on my back with all his weight as feeling a man's weight turns me on more than almost anything. So all those can be good, at least better than typical on four, which just reminds me of porn and doesnt' t really turn me on.

I don' t think it's so much that the positions are humiliating, unless a guy means it that way but then anything can be humiliating, and the problem is more that they can offer little in the way of intimacy or stimulation from the female side. Sure, the guy might have a great visuals, but what do you have? Nothing, so expecting women to enjoy it as much is much or even as a favourite position seems a bit unrealistic.

Especially as females seem to get the most rewards from more emotioal/intimate sexual experiences. At least I and most I know do, and you're in the kind of mood where you desire sex to feel close with someone being with someone who just want to play with your bodyin an inpersonal kind of way can make you feel even more alone than being on your own. Hell, even a guy could feel disappointed if after a long, lonely week of missing his girlfriend, all the anticipated reunion amounted to was she pushing him over on his stomache, rub a few times against his ass, before rolling over to sleep, LOL.

It's easy for men to be unneedy and blase about sexual love and closeness because they can so easily get it and everyone takes what they can easily get for granted. While porn-type probably seems harder to get from the main perspective so they value it more. While women are in the position to get MANY TIMES more random, loveless, porn-type sex than we could ever want and so value it accordingly. :)
 
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*shrug* Degrading or not, humans have been doing it since the dawn of time. If she doesn't want to doggy then she should just come out and said it instead of making political statements about misogyny. I don't like doggy either but I could give a shit less who it's degrading in other relationships!

I also don't like Dan Savage, but for some reason he's popular here on the west coast.
 
*shrug* Degrading or not, humans have been doing it since the dawn of time. If she doesn't want to doggy then she should just come out and said it instead of making political statements about misogyny. I don't like doggy either but I could give a shit less who it's degrading in other relationships!

I also don't like Dan Savage, but for some reason he's popular here on the west coast.

I guess I just don't agree here, as I think it's very important who are acting abusively in any way, and that no one should be if they want a realatinship that's worth having with someone who can actually enjoy and are willing to have sex them. That kind of refusing to deal with it or see it for what it really is, is just what allows that sort of thing to go on. After all, that way none are being degraded or abused by anyone in any way, so there is nothing that needs to be dealt with and seeing it that way can be easier for both victim and perpetrator.

Admitting you're being abused and having to do something about it it can be even harder than admitting to yourself you're an abuser, and it might feel easier to pretend it's just fun, especially if you're unlucky enough to be in love with a guy. That's why I like taking some time to point these things out, because there are so many abusive relationships out there, also sexually. And sadly for some that aspect it is just what they enjoy the most. They might say things like, "Ohh no, that's just incidental, nothing like I see it at all, I don't understand why you have to see it like that", etc.

But if something can make you feel so bad for no seeming reason it's likely something someone are deliberately enjoying putting you through. After all it's not like a simple sexual position can have the power to make you feel that bad, so if doing something with someone makes you feel crap it's more than likely their fault.

It always makes me wonder when someone just refuse to do somerhing and won't say any more about it. It must be pretty traumatic if you can't even talk about it, and that kind of thing just seem to lead do arguments as someone might feel they just won't do something for them for no reason. Just give them your reason so they can understand and leave you alone, it's not like it's something to feel ashamed of, wheher it makes you feel alone, or used, or reminds you of something else or whatever.

Or how can they expect anything from you if they won't even consider your feelings in the most minimal way? There's nothing I find as disturbing as all of that, but I sure wouldn't be prepared to engage in anything I did, as it's just meant to be a positive experiene after all.
 
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^ Every relationship is different so I wouldn't generalize. If someone doesn't like doing doggy it doesn't mean they have post-traumatic stress disorder. I enjoy doggy but I've had partners who don't. It's not a big problem... just pick another position. There's lots to choose from.

Your definition of abuse is also a bit strange to me. No one can "make" you feel anything. If the things they say challenge you then it's up to you to figure out why you are so bothered. If you agree to have sex when you don't want to, or you have sex in a position you actually feel degraded in, then that's kind of your problem. I'm a big fan of enthusiastic consent, but at the same time if someone says yes and seems to be going along with it, I'm not going to blame myself if they had a bad time and didn't communicate it to me. I always check in with my partners while we're having sex and if they say they're enjoying it then what else can I do?
 
I enjoy doggy but I've had partners who don't.

I don't like doggy either but I could give a shit less who it's degrading in other relationships!

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One of my favourite positions from behind is lying on my stomache with a pillow under my hips while he straddles my thighs and I hear him enjoy himself. It's just easier to relax and get comfortable and it and doesn't make you as tense as some other positions.

Yes, that is a good one. :)

I don' t think it's so much that the positions are humiliating, unless a guy means it that way but then anything can be humiliating, and the problem is more that they can offer little in the way of intimacy or stimulation from the female side. Sure, the guy might have a great visuals, but what do you have? Nothing, so expecting women to enjoy it as much is much or even as a favourite position seems a bit unrealistic.

See, this is you generalising again. Just because you personally don't get physical enjoyment out of DS does not say anything for other women. Several women have replied to this thread about liking it, and for physical reasons. One person even gave an explanation about why it should, on a physical level, be more stimulating than face-to-face. So what you should be saying is that it is unrealistic for men to expect YOU to enjoy it as much as other positions. But it's also unrealistic for you to be able to predict what other women like or don't like. For every person like yourself trying to speak for women, four or five actual women are testifying that they feel differently. So which is more truth and which is more myth?

And then your statement about having "nothing." What about the knowledge that you're turning your partner on? Sexualities feed off of each other, especially mental stimulation. True, DS might not be that physically stimulating for you, but if you know that your partner is really, really enjoying it, couldn't this in turn work you up inside of your own mind? I think a lot of us would be driven crazy by the idea that our partner is getting really, really turned on by our physical bodies. You write in other posts about doing things - oral sex, water-sports, etc - with the primary intention of turning your partner on, and any physical enjoyment that you get as a distant second. How is DS that different?
 
Personally I think the thread is pointless.
I'm a guy. 21, fit, have slept with more women than I'm happy to admit, but I'm in a good relationship now.

Doggy style is just another position I can move to to keep sex interesting and to keep me from coming too soon. Pretty much every girl I can remember that has done doggy with me preferred it. I say if any part of sex is degrading, then there should be a good vibe going on that it's not the right thing to do at the time.

And good luck arguing or begging during sex if you're a guy. You'll turn the girl off so fast your dick might as well go back in the undies.
 
@Redleader - Sorry, I should have expanded on that. I like being the one on top but not the one on the receiving end. I was imagining each one when I wrote those comments. :)
 
It's all in the mind. The less you think about how you have sex the more you can let yourself go to enjoy it.
If you think it's degrading why then it's degrading for you.
Or if the top thinks he's degrading the bottom why then it's degrading.
On the other hand the doggy style position allows deeper penetration, less crushing weight on you and also lets the recipient relax fully while the top does all the work.
Lovely
 
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