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Ecstasy Drug Trial - Finally some new information for MDMA on the way.

"our advise would be to take a small amount of the pill and then see how you feel in a few hours"

Why can't they be responsible and mention test kits.
 
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Cheers for the link. Few observations.


Why did they dose 83mG I wonder why? I am wondering if this was 83mG of MDMA Molecule and as a result 99-100mG of MDMA HCL??

I also wonder why the dose wasnt based on body mass for each person? Some of the subjects were clearly bigger than others.

The Medical MDMA HCL they administered I notice everyone was gurning on it. I wonder if this is a symptom of 100% pure MDMA HCL? I wonder how they synthed it?

They claim MDMA wouldnt exist without the Marie Paru Farom tree found only in South East Asia. Claiming the bark and fruit contain the safrol?? WTF is this? Why is this the only suggested safrol source? I have never heard of fruit containing safrol before. This seems VERY poor research.

They claim safrol is treated with an acid then an ordinary chemical found in household cleaning products you get MDMA. If only it were this simple. Sorry but the research here is EXTREMELY POOR.

When questioned on the program Professor Nutt claims that 83mG is equiviliant of two MDMA tablets. I have to say I feel this is an awful under estimation. I wish he had have simply said I dont know rather than making this awful speculation.

David Nutt when questioned is asked can MDMA cause any long lasting damage. He claims that the evidence thus far is pretty speculative and he does not think it causes any damage to the serotonin network. Sorry but I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THIS. He mentions nothing about dose. Nothing about drug history. I am sorry this is MDMA propaganda promotion at its finest.

There is user after user on here with clear cognotive problems from MDMA. I cannot understand how he has reached this conclusion. He claims with an overview of the literature it does not produce any enduring changes in serotonin. WTF???

The woman sat next to him Professor Val Curran also involved in the trial claims that there might be damage whilst taking it but the brain recovers quite rapidly. I am sorry this in my opinion without knowing dose etc is total BS.

Onto the guy we thought was going to be a bit of a tool for disagreeing with their studies..

Andy Parrott a Professor of Psychopharmacology makes some valid points about why MDMA can be damaging to the body. He makes points about overall body regulation and also points out the possibility of raised Cortisol. He mentions issues with anxiety, memory, cognotive problems to name a few.

When cross examined Val Curran falls back into a corner and starts spewing crap about how alcohol is more harmful. I am sorry but I find this kind of important study in the hands of people that defend their studies in this way as just total bozos.

Part one of this program I feel is in the hands of people who are pro ecstasy and give no decent argument to say why it is safe.

The program is clearly in the hands of journalists who have little knowledge about this topic as they think without a Marie Paru Farom tree MDMA wont exist and they also think mix acid with a household cleaning product you get MDMA.

The scientists in charge of the study David Nutt and Val Curran think MDMA is not harmful and claim the scientific literature thus claiming otherwise is bunk.. They underlying argument seems to be fueled on a counter argument that alcohol is more harmful thus MDMA is safe.

Sorry part one of this program is laden with miss informed crap. What worries me is young people will watch this and think MDMA is safe.

No mention of dosing. No mention of testing. Very little HR advice.

Part one of this program truly sucks...

Lets see what materialises in part 2.

I am interested to know what other members think?
 
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I feel the same way! I fell asleep during the second one and will watch it tonight!

If I didnt know what I know I would definatly feel better about taking MDMA as the TV is saying its fine and makes you feel wonderful!
 
very interesting study of the seized ecstasy tablets from Glastonbury fest last year. One third seized contained *no* mdma at all !! Frickin' eck!
 
I just noticed something!!

If you watch the start carefully they pull a bottle of MDMA HCL labelled:

d, l-MDMA.HCL
C11 H15 NO2.HCL
MDM-94-HC-1000
1g

(top line chemical wording, 2nd line chemical formula, third line stock code, 4th line total dose)

and then weigh the dose for the subject.

The actual scientific scale reads 0.10000g.

Clearly the dose is infact 100mG HCL.

In which case some additional "crap" to add to this programme.

The dose they gave was infact 84% not 83% MDMA unless of course the "medical grade" MDMA had impurities.

Judging by how everyone was gurning maybe it did have impurities??? :D :D

I realise this is a bit hair splitting but this programme is supposed to be a scientific test by Professors. This is a school boy error. :p

They claim no politics, no propaganda just the underlying scientific truth.

What a load of junk..
 
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Heres Part II

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm1e...mentaries/videos?query=ecstasy&has_verified=1

The glastonbury pill test does not reveal anything exciting.

They seem excited that half the MDMA pills had "cuts" in them claiming that half the tablet was filler. I cant think of any ecstasy tablet that wouldnt contain at least half filler?

Some of the cuts mentioned were paracetamol, flower or talcum powder. I find this very strange as talc or paracetomol would be an unnecessary expense for a filler and make an awful tasting and dry pill.

In regards to flower it has glue properties and if it gets wet it turns into a sticky paste and eventually doe so would be a poor choice for a filler.

Strange that manitol or the more common cuts arent mentioned.. Once again I sniff sensationalism and propaganda.

Professor Currans advice for HR if you want to take an Ecstasy tablet is to take a very small amount and see how you feel. If you feel okay then take the rest.

WTF this is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. This programme is a Health Risk!! I am shocked.

Val Curran feels that most people take MDMA twice a month and there are no harmful effects.

She thinks that the memory damage is so irrelevant that she points out it would be like having a 30 line shopping list and forgetting one item.

She belittles any argument that Ecstasy might be dangerous. This woman is arrogant, ignorant and VERY DANGEROUS.

The lady in America who takes a "clinical" and "theraputic" dose looks like she has had a bomb 250 pill with 100mG of MDA. The trial looks totally out of control :D

There are some interesting aspects of this programme but wow so much poor info.

Shame on you C4!!

This programme will encourage people to take MDMA in an uninformed and reckless way.
 
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Judging by how everyone was gurning maybe it did have impurities???

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I believe the reason we gurn is because of the confusion and disruption of our nervous system, not necessarily impurities
 
To be honest I was expecting more, I know more about MDMA than they talked about on the show (aside from the new findings regarding what happens in the brain while on it, obviously) however, it was hilarious watching the "opposition" try and pull 20 year old studies out of their arse and say things like 1 person had a bad reaction therefore it is bad and must be banned (didn't say the last part, but yeah)

I don't know why they didn't give David Nutt more time to talk, you could clearly see the facepalm on him and that woman scientist next to him while the other guy was rambling on. The studies the opposition guy talked about from 20 years ago affecting memory were from groups of people who also took other drugs and had that general lifestyle, which he failed to mention, basically just read http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_neurotoxicity.shtml

He did manage to say something like it causes no permanent serotonergic damage when they let him get a word in.

Also, the so called "scientist" when asked if he thought the study was worthwhile or not and said "it depends on the results" (or something) doesn't deserve to be called one. What a douchebag. That isn't science. Made me so mad that nobody called him on his bullshit during the show.
 
Judging by how everyone was gurning maybe it did have impurities???

I believe the reason we gurn is because of the confusion and disruption of our nervous system, not necessarily impurities
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Seems weird that 100mG of MDMA HCl would produce such a gurn on. I have noticed some MDMA is more gurney than others. I doubt it is impurities. I assume the 83% quote is a just a minor fuck up. I wonder what the d & l means on the bottle?

however, it was hilarious watching the "opposition" try and pull 20 year old studies out of their arse and say things like 1 person had a bad reaction therefore it is bad and must be banned
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I thought what the opposition said was far more plausable than Val Curran. Unfortunate that the opposition were such a couple of dorks as just the way they looked and spoke kind of made them uncredable. However, I didn't disagree with anything they said. I am 100% convinced MDMA can cause memory damage, it can cause cognitive problems and can cause depression. Many studies, user information on BL and my own personal experience confirm this.

He did manage to say something like it causes no permanent serotonergic damage when they let him get a word in.
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Do you agree with this?
 
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Do you agree with this?
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Do I agree with what a scientist said that knows more about something than me? sure, why not give him the benefit of the doubt since he is actually interested in doing science and not being a puppet in the "war against drugs"
 
Do I agree with what a scientist said that knows more about something than me?
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I disagree with a lot of people that know more than me. I cant see how this makes them necessarily correct.

How would you explain Anxiety, Paranoia, Memory Loss, Loss of Appetite, Suicidal thoughts, Hands and body shaking, Tinitus, HPPD, Insomnia that we hear users reporting on here from taking MDMA?

Do you think this is related to Serotonin damage or something else? If it is serotonin network damage or any other damage then Professor Nutt is very wrong in his findings.

sure, why not give him the benefit of the doubt since he is actually interested in doing science and not being a puppet in the "war against drugs"
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The concept of the study is great. I thought it was finally something new and revolutionary.

Unfortunately in my opinion the programme was very pro MDMA without really presenting any valid arguments.

The programme had a lot of factual errors this to me illustrates a hap hazard approach. Just the initial dosing comments were incorrect before the arguments pro MDMA were even made.

Professor Val Curry may well know more than me but I can be 100% sure biting a small amout of a tablet to test if it is safe is BUNK advice (its worse than bunk its frankly DANGEROUS). Using alcohol as a counter argument for saying MDMA is safe is also BUNK advice. She was very quick to jump down the throats of the "opposition" who were suggesting MDMA was dangerous but in my opinion made no valid counteractive argument.

The concept of MDMA used in therapy and treatment for PTSD etc is an interesting theory. The discussions and findings about that did have some valid contributions. However, coupled with the discussions about why ecstasy is safe and with no correct HR advice this programme is dangerous.

I am not anti drugs. I am very anti false and misleading information. This programme was riddled with it.
 
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