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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards

Efficient (but shorter) sleep on benzos?

from what I've read GHB is the best GABAergic for sleep. It is prescribed for such, though extremely restrictively. Interestingly enough GHB is schedule one but the pharmaceutical preparation is schedule three, go figure.
 
ro4eva said:
However, it poses a greater abuse liability to myself as well because I find it more recreational for some odd reason. That's probably just me (and a few others) though. Usually everyone I've spoken to thinks it's crap.
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With the unlimited supply I used to get, I also got recreational value out of Zopiclone too, but the tolerence developed so fast (like in 2 days of using more than the prescribed dose). After this "abuse" they didn't help me sleep. But for the last 8 months I've only had 30 tablets prescribed per month. So if I want to use more than 1 a night I would be putting myself under pressure by running short near the end of the month.
The adjustment to using it only as prescribed was not as difficult as it used to be when I was on hypnotic benzos.
That is what I meant by "lower abuse potential". (probably the wrong phrase to use, but I couldn't think of a better way to describe it in that post).
However, I do know that withdrawal from Zopiclone is just as bad as withdrawal from benzos, and many patients are under the impression that it isn't.
 
^^^ Yeah I screwed up. Was on the same type of regimen as you (30Q30) but it got out of control. I was finishing the entire bottle within a week and then basically doctor shopping to get some more. After about 2 months, I decided to stop completely and the withdrawals were very similar to what I've experienced when I've run out Xanax early. Surprisingly, I've never had a major problem with Xanax in the seven years I've been on it. I've experimented here and there (wasn't really that fun - just made me tired), but I don't remember the last time I ran out early tbh. Only time I recall swallowing a bunch was when I tried to roll and ended up ingesting a meth bomb. That taught me an important lesson: get a fucking testing kit (even if a dealer you've come to trust says it's good shit).
 
Yeah I find zopiclone to be the best hypnotic on the market here, although tolerance rises madly fast (within 2 or 3 nights of use). Never had any horrid taste in my mouth either, I'm part of the lucky ones I guess. All the z-drugs are imo/e as addictive and dangerous as benzodiazepines, maybe even more in certain cases, though.

On the GHB subject, I find it gives you only around 4 hours of sleep. It may be the best GABAergic to use, but I find this duration of action much too short to be truly effective (like triazolam).
 
In the U.S. the best we have are triazolam (Halcion) and temazepam (Restoril). I find Ambien and Lunesta useless, while diazepam (Valium) can work as it is an "all-around" benzo. Flurazepam (Dalmane) is good too.
 
kokaino said:
Flurazepam (Dalmane) is good too.
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Perhaps this is a rarity - but um; the one time I was prescribed Dalmane because I ran out of (refills) my regular prescription for Xanax (my doctor abruptly went away for a week); I went into acute WD (or at least it felt that way) after ingesting the Dalmane.

Later on, I learned that apparently Dalmane is the only benzo which selectively binds to benzo receptors. Wondering if that would be the reason why I reacted to it the way I did.
 
ro4eva said:
Perhaps this is a rarity - but um; the one time I was prescribed Dalmane because I ran out of (refills) my regular prescription for Xanax (my doctor abruptly went away for a week); I went into acute WD (or at least it felt that way) after ingesting the Dalmane.

Later on, I learned that apparently Dalmane is the only benzo which selectively binds to benzo receptors. Wondering if that would be the reason why I reacted to it the way I did.
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Flurazepam is actually a partial agonist of the GABA(A) receptor unlike most other benzos which are full agnonists. It does not selectively bind to benzo receptors in the manner that say something like Ambien or even quazepam do, it binds to the receptors unselectively but it just happens to be a partial agonist that's all. Still, Dalmane should have been more than enough to keep any sort of withdrawals away. In fact, although Xanax is more potent by weight, Dalmane is actually the stronger benzo of the two.
 
loremipsum said:
i do not abuse benzos anymore since they are only sleeping aids for me but triazolam is one of the few recreational benzos for me that give the nice buzzy euphoric warmth a benzo rush should have. also its short halflive make it perfect for "during day" use.
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Well then the first sentence is a bit out of place.
But I know what you are saying and am just joking with you.;)
 
GABA-b agonists are very effective at producing good, deep, restorative (natural) sleep and they haven't been noted to affect sleep structure negatively. Like GHB as mentioned but also Baclofen and Phenibut.

When I have used lot of benzos I have allways slept very good and been energetic during day. Allso I would mention that it has been noted in studies that gaba agonists usually elevates GH and lowers cortisol which impacts positively on sleep. What is evidence enough to me of benzo's positive effects on sleep is that my progress on my sport has been allways best when I've used much benzos. Ex. injuries heals more quickly and recovery is better which I attribute to better/deeper sleep that benzos causes wich has direct effect on GH secretion and body's recovery. I don't believe from my experience that this is only GHB's property but is usual to GABAergics. Lyrica also affects positively on sleep and according to studies doesn't impact negatively sleep structure.

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temazepam and pregabalin dont interrupt REM sleep

they are the best sleep meds IMO
 
laCster said:
temazepam and pregabalin dont interrupt REM sleep

they are the best sleep meds IMO
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This study (in people with difficulty sleeping) says temazepam did not make them fall asleep faster, did not make them wake up any later, slightly decreased awakenings ( but not when taken chronically), and didn't affect REM sleep but significantly decreased deep sleep (the most important kind of sleep for feeling rested/refreshed).

I have not heard of a benzo which did not decrease deep sleep (aka slow-wave sleep).

On the other hand, gabapentin/pregabalin have been found to increase deep sleep, to not affect REM sleep, and to slightly reduce awakenings.

I would think gabapentin/pregabalin would be better choices than temazepam, and dependence seems to build less quickly with gabapentin/pregabalin than with benzos as well. However, it is not a good idea to take a drug for sleep on a regular basis.
 
thank you correcting me swimming!!!

that is interesting, i was under the impression temaz doesnt affect sleep structure much, but i guess i am wrong

lyrica for sleep is AH-MAZING!! like i always wake up feeling refreshed, never wake up, and its awesome
 
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