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The Big & Dandy HPPD Thread

I agree. These hallucinations are just memories and you can develop a sort of rhythmic control over them with your habits/actions/thoughts even.

Limpet_Chicken said:
I have, for a long time after my former diethyl ether addiction, a visual artifact when closing eyes, of slight circles, geometric patterns (many squares, within squares, with detatched corners) of a non-describeable color, if you understand how that can be possible.

My "visual" background when I close my eyes in the dark, undergoes color changes, of a neon-dark-green, again, difficult to describe, intermixed with pink and a royal purple color, these shift and merge.

If there were a cure for it, I would refuse it, the "HPPD", although in my particular case, I do not look upon it as a disorder, actually helps me, as I have terrible insomnia, have since childhood, closing my eyes while breathing rythmically in and out provides a drug-free visually hallucinatory relaxing meditative setting, and allows me to help drift off when my insomnia isn't so severe as to require massive amounts of benzos.
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I've tripped on diphenhydramine roughly 20 times, on dextromethorphan roughly 30 times, and on mushrooms 4 times.
The doses at which I took DPH ranged from 300mg to 700mg.
The doses at which I took DXM ranged from 300mg to 1,250mg (1,250mg was actually what I took my first time.)
The doses at which I've taken mushrooms ranges from 1.5 grams to 3.6 grams.

The HPPD became very apparent for months after experimenting with diphenhydramine and dimenhydrinate. I would randomly hallucinate some of the most random things for about 5 months. These range from looking at white surfaces and them slowing becoming the colors of the rainbows, to seeing spiders that weren't ever there, to seeing the insides of my sink and bathtub begin to have black lines crawling through them. The most interesting thing about these visuals is that the longer I went without sleep, the more they would occur. For example, when I would use Adderall to stay up for a few days in order to study, I would have a hallucination every one to five minutes. On a day where I go to bed at a normal time, I'd have maybe ten hallucinations a day. These would occur closer and closer together the longer I'd stay up.

Months after my HPPD went away from abusing deliriants, I tried mushrooms four times over a one month period (this month, actually). It's been days since I tripped on mushrooms, but I am still seeing auras around objects, moving objects (especially flying bugs) have long trails behind them, surfaces look "grainy", and I see different colored blinking lights. These effects didn't last longer than 12 hours the first few times I tried mushrooms however, they have stayed with me since my last trip.
 
conflict said:
Took about 400mg of 6-APB in one go I'm 18 around 6ft and pretty healthy, around a month ago few things happening since :

-When I'm reading off a computer screen the words will jilt gently around, not really prominent in the day more when I get into bed and am tired reading my phone.
-When I'm lying down I can feel like my legs moving in motion if you know what I mean ?
-Vision has gotten like grainy
-LED lights will move round when I look at them in the dark, I can focus on them to make it stop though
-If I lose focus on a LED light day or night it will split in too

So wondering if I have HPPD ?

& if I do what should I do, should I stop taking all psychedelics all together

New to this sorry but thanks, Conflict.
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I don't think that's HPPD, I've had all of those since I was born!
Could be though! :)
 
how many people on this forum have real hppd (with real I like to say, "with life impairment o difficulting day to day" and with extended periods -months, years...-). With the information that I've seen, seems very diffitcult stablish the prevalence of HPPD for me. Anyone know the aprox. prevalence?
 
jimf4ii said:
Shulgin is blind as a bat, and it's quite possible that his long-term use of experimental psychedelics may be responsible for his vision problems.
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and it's also quite possible that he's just old as fuck (87)

It could go either way, but he's alive at age 87. Psychedelics or not, that's an accomplishment. If I can make it that long taking numerous psychedelic substances fairly regularaly before going blind, awesome!
 
for people that are worried about 'moving text' and all that..

I know for a fact that I had moving text on occasion before I even smoked pot. I would always wonder why the experience reports on erowid were wavy and i'd have a really geeky rush of, 'am i high?'
 
conflict said:
Took about 400mg of 6-APB in one go I'm 18 around 6ft and pretty healthy, around a month ago few things happening since :

-When I'm reading off a computer screen the words will jilt gently around, not really prominent in the day more when I get into bed and am tired reading my phone.
-When I'm lying down I can feel like my legs moving in motion if you know what I mean ?
-Vision has gotten like grainy
-LED lights will move round when I look at them in the dark, I can focus on them to make it stop though
-If I lose focus on a LED light day or night it will split in too

So wondering if I have HPPD ?

& if I do what should I do, should I stop taking all psychedelics all together

New to this sorry but thanks, Conflict.
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I took a high dose of 6-apb and now experience some of the symptoms you mention.

Occasional swirling text, long standing after images after reading text on LCD screens, which can be seen looking at any surface, and also see what is considered visual snow. After images of any lighting persist for more than a few seconds as though looking at negative film. I would recommend stopping psychedelic-amphetamine use, as I have been coping with many issues due to 6-apb usage aside from HPPD-like symptom, e.g. depersonalization, derealization, thought disorders, drug induced psychosis, depression, and panic attacks. 6-apb not only affects the serotoninergic system, but also has an impact on dopaminergic pathways. I'll be posting my 6-apb troubles as soon as I find the appropriate forum to do so. I'm in the process of compiling information on this and my other symptoms related to 6-apb use, and providing it to my doctor at the local University. Feel free to PM me with any questions, as I know from personal experience that it is good to hear from others coping under similar circumstances.

My current advice is to not put so much focus on it and live healthy; i.e. avoid sleep deprivation, alcohol, drug use, stress, and certain medications, as each can cause the condition to be exacerbated. Erowid and Wikipedia also have information on the topic.
 
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Nearly all of the posts in this thread have focused on the visual side of the after-effects of using substances [I don't use HPPD because this is the medical condition in which those effected canot function in normal daily life comfortably]. I am curious to hear some discussion on any mental effects that people have noticed after using. Thought patterns [looping or otherwise], altered outlook on the world, over analyzation of social situations, paranoia or memory enhancement / loss are some avenues I am curious about.
 
butterfly118 said:
Ok so, wondering if anyone else gets this:

Sitting on the toilet and your looking at the tiles, walls, cieling. Everything is moving very slowly and expecially the lines in the tiles will not effing stay straight!! The colors of the floor seem to change hue slightly and the walls too. So weird!!

And things go into weird perspectives, corners of the room and such seem to morph, curtains and such which are completely stationary are moving, expecially the floor

Is this a bad sign? lol


This only happens to me in the bathroom! wtf. Also as im falling asleep I see all sorts of awesome colors and movements and patterns. Great to concentrate on when I have insomnia.
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Taking a shit raises blood pressure DRAMATICALLY which in turn affects my HPPD severely (not to my disdain!), the safest way to shit, incidentally, is to stand or squat! It also explains why you get odd feelings and thoughts while taking a dump, Blood pressure.
 
Selggurkim said:
Nearly all of the posts in this thread have focused on the visual side of the after-effects of using substances [I don't use HPPD because this is the medical condition in which those effected canot function in normal daily life comfortably]. I am curious to hear some discussion on any mental effects that people have noticed after using. Thought patterns [looping or otherwise], altered outlook on the world, over analyzation of social situations, paranoia or memory enhancement / loss are some avenues I am curious about.
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I cannot say for definite but I do see a correlation in my hppd and neck pain... In terms of altered thoughts, coming down from a good cup of tea can often make me feel like I should not be part of this world (not in a higher being way, quite the opposite) and I feel like I have forgotten how to socialise and become a lot more nonchalant about my well being, as it doesn't matter at that time! Yes I know that sounds stupid but each to their own. Not caffeine though... That is straight hell. However I am also a chronic weed smoker so that may come into play. You having mentioned looping has made me think about taking a LOT longer to make simple decisions mostly social decisions. This doesn't come under anxiety (IMO) I am just over thinking people's reactions to my idea about let's say... Which pub we should go to or something silly like that.
 
I've been heavily abusing (weekly or bi-weekly) all sorts of phenethylamines and tryptamines for about a year now. By now I get shimmering pixelated vision and tracers when I'm sober and especially when I smoke weed. I'm taking a break now, I wonder how long it will take, if it will ever happen, for these residual visuals to wear off.. Has anybody here recovered from HPPD after heavy use?
 
5HToendless space, I find that the less conscious you are of it, aka when at work and concentrating hard you tend to completely forget it's there. I also believe that looking up symptoms of it only exacerbates the condition. Just stay off them and some of it will subside, erasing it completely may not happen or take a long time. My advice would be to accept it is there and keep in good spirits that it will pass. Stress is not what you want with these sorts of tingalings.
Has anyone every had nystagmus or Osciolopsis? My eyes keep drifting left slowly and I can't focus on things in my mid field of vision when I am moving. For example if I'm skating a hill i can't focus on peoples faces my eyes keep flickering it is almost disabling. I'm seeing a doctor about it as I am not too sure they are related but would love to know if anyone else has this problem through HPPD.
 
The over analyzation of basic scenarios is very interesting. I have found this to be the most common mental after-effect from what reading I have done. Since you said that you would not consider in "under anxiety" do you not consider the over thinking as negative? Or just not negative enough to be called "anxiety".

{"socializing is an art-form".}
 
5HToInfinity said:
I've been heavily abusing (weekly or bi-weekly) all sorts of phenethylamines and tryptamines for about a year now. By now I get shimmering pixelated vision and tracers when I'm sober and especially when I smoke weed. I'm taking a break now, I wonder how long it will take, if it will ever happen, for these residual visuals to wear off.. Has anybody here recovered from HPPD after heavy use?
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Every person's mind & body are different {Your Mileage May Vary} but after usage of that level I would expect a slow return to baseline. Six months to a year of sobriety would probably get your pretty back to "normal". The more you use any substance including ganja or alcohol, the slower the process will be. Keep in mind these are just my humble estimations.
 
jimf4ii said:
Shulgin is blind as a bat, and it's quite possible that his long-term use of experimental psychedelics may be responsible for his vision problems.
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Only saw this now, guess we don't have the likes of Shulgin haha. But I reckon age might play a part or two in it.
 
I've been hallucinating for the last 8 months

Hi all,

I've done shrooms probably a dozen times, LSD about 30-40 times, a whole range of research chemicals, DMT... you name it. Most of my drug experimentation was done during a 2 year period. Now, I haven't tripped in 6 months.

I permanently have visual anomalies now. A fleeting kind of static is the most prominent. It looks like when you look at a bright light and then look away. Sometimes I see lines that don't exist, my mind identifying patterns where there aren't any. It's not cool, not in the least.

I'm writing this to warn others who believe, as I naively did, that HPPD is rare. I now feel confident that it's something that affects most people if they trip enough, and that it slowly builds up.

At this point, I wish I could just see a goddamn plan wall as a fucking plain wall.

Psychedelics can cause you permanent harm. I don't regret using them, but I definitely regret abusing them and using them multiple times a month. I suggest you limit your psychedelic use.
 
Because a blank white wall is a blank white wall, not a swirling doorway to the overarching void of spiritual discovery... 8)
 
I agree that HPPD, in varying degrees, is more common than casual psychedelic users think. And it definitely gets worse with continuing psychedelic use/abuse. I also think it's a topic that isn't discussed enough. Benzos seem to be the only thing that helps, which sucks because benzo dependence is a real slippery slope. I personally feel that people in the psychedelic community should be more aware of the risk of developing HPPD. Too often psychedelics are seen as a benign form of recreation because of their relative physical safety. HPPD can and does happen more than people like to admit, and in some cases can become severely disabling, or really fucking annoying at the least.
 
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