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The Big & Dandy HPPD Thread

Do u have hppd Mochta? I consider myself to have a v.mild case. I see alot of afterimages and static. Its so annoying, i wouldnt mind if i saw the beautiful intricate patterns that i see while tripping, but i just get these shitty afterimages lol. Im taking a break for al ong time to see if this all goes away, but unfortunately i dont think i can shake the fascination with psychedelics.... hopefully i can get away with tripping 3-4 times a year after giving myself some time to "recover"
 
Yes. I have a moderate case. Some days its barely noticable, others its pretty heavy and distracting. Trails, flashes of light/colors, patterning. Closed eye imagery is sometimes so intense it prevents me from sleeping. Its annoying as fuck, I but i guess I was got what I deserved, abusing psychedelics for 15 years. And I do mean ABUSING.
 
Got visual snow, angle distortion and action trails. Had them for years, they don't bother me. I've also retained the 'presence' in inanimate objects, which can sometimes be spooky if I pay too much attention to it. It's not annoying for me, so I don't even tend to class them as 'symptoms'.
 
i have hppd along with other visual issues, from psychedelic use and probably from benzo abuse. Benzos do help, and seem to be the only thing that actually helps with HPPD. I dont' see the big deal if you see visual static, i had visual static before i ever started using drugs. Now you're just more aware of it because you constantly read about HPPD and people having it. Regular people who don't use psychs still have visual anomalies.

If i'm not on etizolam, the visuals and other issues actually do have a significant impact on my life but that's because i also get depersonalization and derealization from coming off benzos/etizolam and it has never gone away for me. yeah maybe it's a good idea to warn people about this because heavy psych use will certainly make you more aware of visual anomalies, whether they were there before and you didn't notice or psychs somehow messed with the brains ability to filter out such anomalies is unknown. They are just images your eyes are sending to your brain anyway, it may as well be reality. It'd be analogous to taking pictures with a camera that has some sort of defect or filter attached to it. Shouldn't really affect your life negatively unless it brings about huge anxiety, the two i think are related as well, anxiety and visual disorders, like HPPD.
 
IME, they were there all along. I've always noticed static when I'm in the dark (I can remember seeing it when I was 4-5), though after psychedelic use I can see patterns in it and it's moving around much more. Don't remember afterimages (that I do have sometimes), but they could've been there all along. I've linked all of this due to being more aware of the concept of hallucinations, wouldn't call it HPPD though maybe it is.

I would also like to add that the way certain patterning OEVs move is VERY much alike the static is moving, so obviously there is link there and it's certainly possible that long-term psychedelic useis going to worsen these effects.
 
I have heard of people using piracetam and similar drugs to treat HPPD with varying degrees of success, but I haven't seen any scientific data about it so it's difficult to say if they actually help or not.
 
kidklmx said:
IME, they were there all along. I've always noticed static when I'm in the dark (I can remember seeing it when I was 4-5), though after psychedelic use I can see patterns in it and it's moving around much more. Don't remember afterimages (that I do have sometimes), but they could've been there all along. I've linked all of this due to being more aware of the concept of hallucinations, wouldn't call it HPPD though maybe it is.

I would also like to add that the way certain patterning OEVs move is VERY much alike the static is moving, so obviously there is link there and it's certainly possible that long-term psychedelic useis going to worsen these effects.
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I dont buy this theory atall. Sure afterimages are normal, but a healthy person should have to stare at an object for a long time to see them. For me, if i have seen something then ive seen it long enough to have an afterimage. It is instantaneous. I have asked friends to look at objects and conciously try to see what i see, none of them can. It was definitely not like this before. Even on those afterimage demonstrations e.g with the inverted colour USA flag, it typically says "stare at the picture for 20-30 seconds then look away" etc. For me its more like 20-30 microseconds lol
 
Also, maybe you have a szchoaffective/sczhotypal type disorder and tripping put it out there a bit. These all, as well as bipolar disorder, or known to cause hallucinations but not interfere with functioning.
 
Okay how about this. Me, dagda, nite, velm, robo, and possibly kidkimx have HPPD symptoms we attribute to our psychedlic use.

That's SIX bluelighters already in one thread in PD.

How rare does this sound to you?

Plus the who two guys who said:
"How do you know that what you see now is not truer than your old reality?"
"Solid matter is just a convincing illusion. Once we learn that, it is hard to forget."

Yep, sad as I am to say it, there's just too much evidence that psychedelic drugs can and do cause lasting changes, harmful in nature, to peoples' brains.

I encourage all psychedelic users to consider the risks.
 
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May I ask, what is the point of perceiving a blank white wall as a blank white wall? Shut your eyes and imagine one, I'm sure it's possible.

Being able to see OEV's most of the time is nice IMO; I rather enjoy the OEV's I get from cannabinoids. %)
 
Captain Heroin,

These aren't really very interesting visuals though, it's kinda staticy. Besides, it reminds me every day that I've changed my brain :(

It's not the worst thing in the world, don't get me wrong, but it's going to be a part of my conscious experience for a long, long, long time.

It also bothers me, that parts of my brain which I can't easily observe may be changed as well. Who's to say it's limited to the visual cortex, where we can see it?
 
^Tremendously insightful observation. 8)

@Captain.Heroin, I used to think along those lines. I tried to see my HPPD in a positive light, but at this point in my life it's just really annoying, and is a major source of stress and anxiety.

Although I do appreciate the many beneficial ways that psychedelics have influenced me, I now believe that the same benefits can be obtained through other means, without drugs. HPPD has made me regret abusing psychedelics more than any other drug I have abused in the past. Therein lies the problem. I was in fact ABUSING psychedelics, and not showing them the respect they deserve despite my knowledge of the power they possess. I let my addictive personality get the best of me and I'm paying for it now.
 
Dagda Mochta said:
HPPD has made me regret abusing psychedelics more than any other drug I have abused in the past. Therein lies the problem. I was in fact ABUSING psychedelics, and not showing them the respect they deserve despite my knowledge of the power they possess. I let my addictive personality get the best of me and I'm paying for it now.
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Exactly the same here :(
 
Dagda Mochta said:
^Tremendously insightful observation. 8)

@Captain.Heroin, I used to think along those lines. I tried to see my HPPD in a positive light, but at this point in my life it's just really annoying, and is a major source of stress and anxiety.

Although I do appreciate the many beneficial ways that psychedelics have influenced me, I now believe that the same benefits can be obtained through other means, without drugs. HPPD has made me regret abusing psychedelics more than any other drug I have abused in the past. Therein lies the problem. I was in fact ABUSING psychedelics, and not showing them the respect they deserve despite my knowledge of the power they possess. I let my addictive personality get the best of me and I'm paying for it now.
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How many years have you had HPPD for now? You should be used to it after a couple. Also, do you smoke pot? That has a large influence.
 
I've seen that snow since birth. It's particularly strong around living things, like people. If you start to study the differences between people's snow you will notice that it displays patterns. This is also known as the person's aura. At first it will be easier to see in dim lighting but eventually you'll be able to see it in the full light of day. It will tell you a lot about people... their health status, whether or not they are lying to you, how they relate to others, etc. It's not a random anomaly at all. It's a psychic phenomenon that many humans can see, regardless if they have done drugs or not.

Some people aren't going to believe me but don't take my word for it, do your own empirical observations. Chances are you will never get rid of that static, so you might as well start investigating whether or not it has applicable value. In my opinion psychedelics like LSD permanently open the third eye to new perceptions, like auras. I've always seen them but LSD taught me to see even finer detail, like colours. I use this kind of sight in my medical practice, in addition to my medical training, and it works quite well. I'd make a thread on BL describing what I've seen for diagnosis purposes but I don't want to be attacked by the staunch empiricists who think I am full of shit. I can tell by looking at this static where the pain is on a person's body, without them telling me.

Anyway... I guess the bottom line is, try to be creative with it instead of being afraid of it. It's not going to kill you, it's just a different way of perceiving. There might not be anything wrong with you. With training, you can learn to turn it on and off. The time that you'll see it the most is when you're going to sleep at night and when you're waking up, because your perceptual filters are more flexible during that time.

If you want more advice PM me, I am not comfortable sharing more than that here.
 
I've no doubt that psychedelics have either changed me or facilitated changes I've made. They're permanent but I've no problem with that because they've been for the better.
 
TCMVegas said:
Hi all,

I've done shrooms probably a dozen times, LSD about 30-40 times, a whole range of research chemicals, DMT... you name it. Most of my drug experimentation was done during a 2 year period. Now, I haven't tripped in 6 months.

I permanently have visual anomalies now. A fleeting kind of static is the most prominent. It looks like when you look at a bright light and then look away. Sometimes I see lines that don't exist, my mind identifying patterns where there aren't any. It's not cool, not in the least.

I'm writing this to warn others who believe, as I naively did, that HPPD is rare. I now feel confident that it's something that affects most people if they trip enough, and that it slowly builds up.

At this point, I wish I could just see a goddamn plan wall as a fucking plain wall.

Psychedelics can cause you permanent harm. I don't regret using them, but I definitely regret abusing them and using them multiple times a month. I suggest you limit your psychedelic use.
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Same thing happened to me. I laid off the psychedelics and weed for 6 months and it did get better, but hasn't completely gone away. The plain white wall thing does get annoying, I saw yellow/green grids all the time and even when my monitor went white I would see them.
 
Having known someone who got hppd really badly, he said that now about 2 years since he stopped doing psychedelics it's gotten alot better. Not completely gone, but now it's gotten to the point were it doesn't constantly bother him. If you just wait it out it should get better. Also he recommended wearing sun glasses during the day time, everything being darker meant that the hallucinations were harder to spot and notice. Personally I would discontinue use of things like mdma, ketamine and weed as well, anything that even that only in some people has a visual componant.

Another thing I imagine is the case, is it's worse if you think about it and get stressed about it. I personally ocassionally have little trip outs where the patterns on the floors of public transport morph a bit, or when drunk get almost flashback type things where for 5 seconds or so I feel like I'm tripping, but I personally find that if instead of focusing on it, I just look away and shake it of and continue with whatever I'm doing I can get it to go away pretty easily. Obviously it's not nearly as bad for me, but it's worth trying at least.
 
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