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'Police return girl's chemical haul' - The Age

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POLICE have been forced to hand back chemicals capable of being turned into an ecstasy-type drug to a Camberwell schoolgirl, after they discovered that it is not illegal for the girl to possess them.

Boroondara detectives confiscated the stash of chemicals and 1000 empty gel capsules last week after the mother of the 15-year-old found them in the girl's bedroom and called the police. The haul included 10 sealed bags of various chemicals - including hordenine, caffeine, phenylethylamine (or PEA) and phenibut - valued at $1000.

On internet forums, people who combined hordenine and PEA described the effects as ''super euphoria'' and ''a really evil high'', while others reported suffering a headache while coming down from the drugs and speculated that the combination could cause a stroke.

''When mixed properly, these make up a drug that has the same effect as ecstasy,'' Detective Senior Sergeant Daryl Cullen said. ''The caffeine is used to prolong the effect.''
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Senior Sergeant Cullen said the schoolgirl had been given the cache by a 16-year-old boy, also from Camberwell, who had bought them on the internet. Police interviewed the youth, who was warned of the potential harmful effects of the chemicals and buying from unknown sources on the internet.

However, legal advice indicated that neither teenager had committed an offence and that the chemicals would have to be returned.

Senior Sergeant Cullen said the chemicals were ordered from well-known international websites Hard Rhino and Muscle-Empire and mailed from San Jose in California.

''They obviously got through Australian Customs no problems,'' Senior Sergeant Cullen said.

''These websites advertise these chemicals under the guise of muscle stimulants and dietary supplements, which are all perfectly legal. It's their potential for other uses that alarms us.''

Senior Sergeant Cullen said young people, parents and schools had to be aware of the potential dangers of ordering from these websites.

''I've personally never come across these type of drugs, and in such quantity before, but nothing surprises me in the policing business.''

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/p...emical-haul-20120906-25hcd.html#ixzz25kGB36Qb

Interesting read. I am unfamiliar with the specifics of 'hordenine' & 'PEA' - Are these alleged effects true? I find it hard to believe that anything that would produce similar effects to MDMA would not be covered by our stringent analogue laws. I am also less likely to believe mainstream media reports on drugs and their alleged effects. However I do find it concerning that a 16 year old school girl is in possession of 1000 gel caps, which demonstrates some level of intent to sell IMO.
 
Interesting. Thanks for the post.

They are all legal and easily available from Supplement stores. The staff will even advise you to insufflate them for the best results

Sust told us about the super popular product months and months ago. I have some sitting here.
 
That is so fucking stupid.
Hordenine is a norepinephrine releaser, and phenethylamine is a DA and NE releaser.
I've consumed both, seperate and together, and they are not even remotely close to ecstasy.
If you're new to stimulants it would MAYBE feel like an average dose of Adderall.
 
That is so fucking stupid.
Hordenine is a norepinephrine releaser, and phenethylamine is a DA and NE releaser.
I've consumed both, seperate and together, and they are not even remotely close to ecstasy.
If you're new to stimulants it would MAYBE feel like an average dose of Adderall.

The popular pre-workout that Sust put us on to is the bomb yo.
 
Weird and funny story, that one=D

Kids these days, eh?

Parents these days, eh?

Ambiguity regarding the legal status of stuff these days, eh?

Imagine the exchanges between mother and daughter after that drama... there'd be a lot of 'told you so' and 'stay out of my room from now on' and 'girls just wanna have fun with PEA, mum - get with the times!' and so on.

Why did the mother call the police in the first place? Couldn't she have just spoken to her daughter about it or even thrown it out or something?

And I assume the daughter knew it was all legal stuff, but either way I imagine she would be pretty pissed at her mum for being so willing to throw her over to the police.
 
^ I had an old school friend whos mum used to call the cops every time she found anything illegal in his room, several times over small amounts of pot. lol :p
 
The popular pre-workout that Sust put us on to is the bomb yo.

Did u end up getting some?:) Its great isnt it? I just cant handle the comedown off it LOL back on topic, the girl was just trying to pass it off as MDMA caps. Prob was making a killing selling to uneducated school kids.
 
who calls the police for their own kids? wtf? no wonder the girl was looking for some escape.
 
Pretty shit effort on behalf of the parents, ratting their own daughter out to the police.

It reminds once when I was looking up how to make speed on Erowid or something similar and accidently left it on that page for my parents to see. They sat me down and asked if I was running a speed lab, all I could so was laugh. I was only like 16 and hadn't even tried speed before. I'm happy my parents are better than the above mentioned.
 
Did u end up getting some?:) Its great isnt it? I just cant handle the comedown off it LOL back on topic, the girl was just trying to pass it off as MDMA caps. Prob was making a killing selling to uneducated school kids.

I am on the fence about it now and changed my opinion tonight. I think it is exactly the same as another product I was taking over a year ago with purple in it's name.
 
there are some pretty interesting implications here.
i wonder if the 'bodybuilding' angle had much to do with it. i imagine the cops finding random powders would often lead to confiscation pending analysis, etc - but people not getting their stash back.
i guess the analogue importation angle is out of state police jurisdiction. does that sound right?
strict as our laws are on paper, it doesn't seem that they have been used to their full extent. i wonder why this is - they wouldn't hold up in court, they're too complicated for LE to cope with or we are yet to see a full scale implementation.
does anyone know if victoria has state analogue legislation, or if it is only a federal offence?
this case baffles me, but i'm no lawyer. not even close.
nice to see the cops giving kids their gear back though. like taking candy from a baby, so they thought.
 
like taking candy from a baby, so they thought

LOL!

imagine the moment of return

officer: here you are little girl. I suppose we were wrong, ahem. Here are your powders and 500 capsules

lucky girl: yeah yeah, gimme my shit back... wait a minute... where's the rest of it? and there were 1000 capsules....

<girl's mother comes rushing out>: officer, I found this in my daughter's room. I knew she was up to something! Arrest her! SHe's a menace!

officer: uhhh that's a tube of toothpaste..
 
Hahahaha
LOL!

imagine the moment of return

officer: here you are little girl. I suppose we were wrong, ahem. Here are your powders and 500 capsules

lucky girl: yeah yeah, gimme my shit back... wait a minute... where's the rest of it? and there were 1000 capsules....

<girl's mother comes rushing out>: officer, I found this in my daughter's room. I knew she was up to something! Arrest her! SHe's a menace!

officer: uhhh that's a tube of toothpaste..
 
On internet forums, people who combined hordenine and PEA described the effects as ''super euphoria'' and ''a really evil high'', while others reported suffering a headache while coming down from the drugs and speculated that the combination could cause a stroke.

And you will think your a glass of orange juice, have spiders crawling over your arms, and jump out of the window because you are superman.
 
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