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Should you or would you dob in a drug dealer if?

nah i wouldnt snitch, it's not going to change anything anyway i think, the people pressing the pills wouldn't care what they pressing alot of the time, just wanting to make $$$ and meet demand. Harder than ever to get the right precursor chems to make the real deal, with tighter customs and major crack downs on corruption on many levels. They press what they can often I would imagine.

End dealers wouldn't know who the cook is generally either so ratting on some dealer isnt going to do much, and telling cops, even anonymously who you think the cook is seems stupid, might be the wrong person or people, and whats it going to achieve anyway. In an unregulated black market these cooks can press what they like, pma in pills and caps have been around since the mid 90's. It happens as shit as it is.

Test and be aware, use pr.com where possible and dont neck many at once of an unknown batch or strength. Share information and try and be safe and influence your friends and loved ones in a positive way, not - go on I dare to to eat 3 in a row or some stupid shit.
 
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Busty St Clare said:
But no body takes responsibility it seems. There are too many shit batches floating around the past 5 years to convince me that this system works. Being anti-police is just as hypocritical as being prejudice towards junkies.

I like to think that most of my dealers wouldn't knowingly sell something like PMA. It is such a small scene that any death of a friend would be close enough for them to probably know the victim personally. The higher up the tree the more lives you are being held responsible for. If a doctor can be charged for causing the death of a patient then I think any drug dealer should face the same scrutiny. If they are knowingly passing off shit then I wouldn't think twice about calling the cops. I would want justice if I died so at least make all the money poured into drug enforcement work in my favour for once.
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I agree with busty. If I knew a cook willingly sold deadly pills too someone who died I couldn't live with myself without going to the cops.

In regards to personal responsibility in taking pills I agree too but come on how many times have people on here done something they shouldn't have, I know I have. It only takes once.

II don't understand the hate for the police... Hate the laws and push for them to be changed... The police don't make the laws.
 
Sorry to hear about the family member Captain Brewster, and good point.

II don't understand the hate for the police... Hate the laws and push for them to be changed... The police don't make the laws.
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I can see why some people might hate or not trust cops, some are so bent, they dont make the laws but sure as hell some break them. All the way upto the top, remember Mark Straden (spelling?) Had the nic of the top cop and was trying to import some insane amount of pseudo. I think he got 21 yrs in jail.
 
it might be more distrust than hate buddy. i doubt many people trust the farce enough to divulge info like that to them. how often do we hear about corruption within your gang? its just sick!

how can an officer live with themselves knowing they are enforcing laws they dont believe in? i couldnt impose laws onto others that i dont personally believe in or adhere too.

Busty makes a good point about responsibility though...caveat emptor?
 
But no body takes responsibility it seems. There are too many shit batches floating around the past 5 years to convince me that this system works.
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Who has to take responsibility? The cooks? The dealers? The people eating pills?

There's been shit batches here for alot longer than 5 yrs, id say more like 10+. Quick glance at pr.com can show this. Then check Europe section and how many high grade ones they have in their reports, still.

It's an i illegal black market, no QA, no money back guarantees. Unfortunately. People have to be cautious more than ever with pressed pills, but alot arent and never will be for whatever reason.

We've been in a known drought for quality pills for ages here (for various reasons), cooks cant get the real shit as much anymore obviously and ones that do are often greedy and repress them or mix them with crap apparently to make more money and more pills. It's a sad state of affairs, especially when compared to Aus in the late 80's to mid 90's.
 
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I think someone slowly smoking and drinking themselves to death is different too taking one pill and dying. I'm sorry to hear that by the way captain.

I guess the police officer has to follow the rules otherwise they don't have a job. Iguess being sent too Iraq and killing people might be the same thing I doubt I could kill.

Mark standen wasn't importing drugs he was importing rice =D
 
Over the years I have developed many relationships with the grittier side of society where I could call someone who would be more than happy to remove a few fingers with bolt cutters or inflict any manner of pain, for the right price. The problem is even if you do pay the going rate, most of these low life's feel that you still owe them favours. They have long memories and when the time comes they will expect something more than money in return. There is almost always a trail, so while you may have high moral reasons for retribution, the legal system will charge you as an accessory regardless.

I pay enough taxes to be able to call the police when the time comes. Sure there are more than one or two corrupt cops out their but they pale in comparison to the nepotism that exists in criminal circles. Power and money is more of an influence than justice and human rights. Not to mention there is often very good reason for certain groups not to provoke another organisation. If your target is high enough no one will be willing to exact your revenge. At least with the legal system behind you there is no one immune.
 
nin015 said:
I guess the police officer has to follow the rules otherwise they don't have a job. Iguess being sent too Iraq and killing people might be the same thing I doubt I could kill.
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pretty pathetic response. i have a conscience, i couldnt do it.

we now put having a job above everything else do we?
 
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pretty pathetic response. i have a conscience, i couldnt do it.

we now put having a job above everything else do we?
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sure but sometimes work comes before poverty in the list of life wants.

Also I'm sure there's plenty of cops love the war on drugs since it keeps them employed.
 
'Money is human happiness in the abstract: he, then, who is no longer capable of enjoying human happiness in the concrete devotes his heart entirely to money.'

i pity you =D
 
People that 'wouldn't talk to cops' are plain retarded. What if your sister OD'd on this PMA shit? You gonna kill the guy and get put behind bars for the next 10 years? What are cops even for if not shit like this?
 
Busty, I don't think the doctor analogy is appropriate.
It might be your frame of reference, but users know the risks they're taking. After all, buying the pill in the first place is illegal. The death will be investigated anyway, I don't think the added trauma of making a detailed statement to police will do grieving friends and family any good. You'll be under suspicion yourself and may have to fend off all manner of indignities as part of their 'investigation'.

In principle, I agree that the police are/should be there to serve and protect and all that, but I've seen enough police treachery and violence to be very wary. I'm not saying "fuck tha police", I'm just saying that they can't be trusted.
When you take black market pills, you know the risk. You know the law.
Personal responsibility is underrated in these cases, IMO.
people would be better in the long wrong focussing on grieving as advocating sane drug policy and harm reduction rather than vengeance through the justice system.
It drags out for years, makes it harder for you to heal - and nobody likes a snitch.
 
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I have nothing in common with criminals other than I like to smoke weed and take the odd powder. I couldn't care less what they thought anything of me, least of all that I'm a dog. To me selling bunk pills is a lower act than talking to the cops. It is ironic that I can't even call someone out here for being "junky", because I might hurt their delicate feelings. Yet every single cop is branded some sort of corrupt, super pig. Try traveling away from our shores to say SE Asia or South America to see real corruption at work.


If I was the one to supply a pill to my friend and they died I would take responsibility for it, even if I had no idea of it's contents. How are we ever expected to get rid of poor quality if no one confronts their dealer for selling shit? Bunk pills are one thing, death pills are another.
 
When you take black market pills, you know the risk. You know the law.
Personal responsibility is underrated in these cases, IMO.
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honestly, i don't think many of them know the risks at all.

edit: i agree with busty
 
I guess that's where our ethics vary.
This is a war on drugs, and I know which side I'm on.
Things neednt be so black and white, but people are dying here man.
Criminal convictions for one or two pill dealers aren't going to stop bunk pills, theyre just going to make more casualties.
I understand your point, but I've learned from experience - the law is an ass.
 
Indeed.
Same goes for those that "serve and protect" us.
It's an ugly situation, and I just see fee positives for aiding the enemy.
Fuck I hate military euphemisms - but the collateral damage doesn't seem worth it. That's just my opinion.
Maybe different if we're talking about a deliberate "hot shot" or some kinda drug related sexual assault, but I lean on the side of "you buy the ticket, be prepared to take the ride". I engage in slighty risky drug behaviours from time to time, and if I fucked up and checked out, I'd have nobody to blame but myself.
 
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