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nin015

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If your friend had died/finished up in hospital say from a bad batch of ecstasy and you knew the seller knew what was in them or if they were the original cook?

Obviously you wouldn't walk into a police station and say I just bought 5 pills off .... and they're PMA but would you anonymously tip the police off?

It just makes me so angry what has happen in the last week and makes me wonder what I should/would do if it was someone I knew.
 
Depends on the dynamics of things
Dealing with things in less than legal matters is an available option given the nature of his income
This is a HR website so I'll just tell you to get the shit pills off the street in whatever way you see fit.
 
Call me old fashioned, but.

We do not talk to the cops. Thats how I see it.

Things can be taken cared of in house. No cops invovled :)
 
I wouldn't.

It's shit if someone knowingly sells something dangerous like PMA, but I think the user also has to take responsibility.

If I knew the seller or cook, I would try to discourage them from selling that, as pointless as that would probably be. I would definitely warn my friends not to buy those products or from that dealer and make sure a warning got out on BL/PR too.

Ratting on someone is something I wouldn't do, and self preservation is a part of that. If I knew the cook, I imagine they'd have associates I wouldn't want to get on the bad side of.

DeathDomokun said:
Dealing with things in less than legal matters is an available option given the nature of his income
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Something like this.

Great thread though nin015.
 
mate, in the drug world, where there are desperados, and desperate people, people do desperate things for incredibly low prices... a point for a nasty visit, a gram for an assault, depends on how close you are to the person, and the degree of your anonomity.
 
lovepsychadelics said:
If I knew they were a psycho with a gun I'd think twice. Inhouse is good but are you going to kick in someone's front door put a gun to their head and shoot? Maybe just a touch up then grab the stash and flush it and then tell the guy to never sell shit like that to anyone again. If old mate has no clue they are dodgy then you'd have to go up the chain and shit tends to get more hektic and more chance of a scarface type showdown. Then you'd have to hope your packing an MP5 and are good at double taps. The people you need to get the LE onto are the manufactures of dodgy PMA pills. I'd probably rat on someone if they had a punter get really sick or die and then kept dishing out the same crap knowing what they were selling was giving people hospital stays or worse. Some of the people I have/do know are likely to kill you if they knew you had been a "grass" (more my day lol) or a "dog". A few may come up with some very novel methods of torture/murder but at the end of the day that is what producing/selling dodgy PMA pills is anyway!
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what's the need for all the macho/violence?
you can't appeal to someone's humanity? chances are if they're a sloppy dealer and a client drops the fuzz are going to catch up with them anyway if there is a text message trail or something similar. if somebody is selling PMA pills, fucking talk to them about it. explain the potential consequences of their ignorance/greed/whatever leads people to peddle these things.

chances are you're nowhere near the guy in the food chain who chose to press such drugs into pills anyway. probably just middlemen and people that move a few to friends and associates or low-level cats who are none the wiser.
keep the hot heads and pigs out of it IMO
 
i'm glad we cleared that up. in record time and all.
{cue four pages of incoherent abuse}
seriously though, cooperating with the authorities should be a last resort in this game. sorry, it's a war. this war.
mister plod is not your friend.
 
spacejunk said:
what's the need for all the macho/violence?
you can't appeal to someone's humanity? chances are if they're a sloppy dealer and a client drops the fuzz are going to catch up with them anyway if there is a text message trail or something similar. if somebody is selling PMA pills, fucking talk to them about it. explain the potential consequences of their ignorance/greed/whatever leads people to peddle these things.O
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Whilst I agree in theory, I think the majority of people pushing PMA pills aren't the types of people to listen to reason.

I could be wrong, AFAIK I don't know anyone who has done this, but cooks and bulk dealers I would be amazed if they weren't aware of the risks involved with their product.

I still would be unlikely to go to the police, but I would be telling dealers not to press/distribute such a dangerous chemical, and I for one, if my dealer had tried to sell me PMA I would most likely never use that dealer again for any product. Hopefully it would be enough of a message that it can't be tolerated.

As far as handling it illegaly with muscle, It's got mixed merit to the argument. I would say it has a decent chance for a success, but it's very much a high risk high reward scenario. It could go as smoothly with people only recieving some injury's and getting the message across, it could back fire and escalate into a much more serious situation very quickly, but when dealing with PMA perhaps sometimes things problems need to escalate before they can die down.
 
^ the thing is, if you're inner-circle enough to know for sure who is responsible, you're in more of a position to do something about it.
if we're talking about people getting heavy with their neighbourhood pill peddler because an e tests up as PMA, you're very likely taking it out on the wrong guy. hell, if the low-level dealer don't know any better (entirely possible scenario i would imagine) they're at risk of ending up flatlining as well when they sample them.

drug manufacturers generally work on a 'need to know' basis. if you have no reason to know the precise details of their activities, you'll be out of the loop. if you're in the loop, you're a part of this - legally and ethically - so it is up to you to dissuade them or do whatever you think is right to stop the batch going out to innocent punters.
and if you're not in the loop, then surely you don't know with enough certainty to pull any hero moves. if you do - well, it's your conscience that's going to have to deal with however you use that knowledge.
if you go to the police you'll have to make a statement indicating your knowledge, your involvement - and basically be a snitching rat.
as i said though - this should be the absolute last resort.
does the kid 5 rungs down the ladder from the original PMA pushing scumbag deserve to be charged for manslaughter (or worse) if your friend dies from a pill they bought from them? if they honestly didn't know it was PMA, i don't think so.
 
spacejunk said:
drug manufacturers generally work on a 'need to know' basis.
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I disagree, whilst I have only ever met a few cooks. They have known all the facts of the chemical they produce. Maybe in court many have played the I didn't know the details of the chemical card. But I find it unlikely, especially since the internet, knowing the answers is only a few clicks away.

Apart from that though I agree with your post
 
what i mean is that only the people involved in the manufacturing process know that it is happening at all - not that they're unaware of what is being made.
 
Verybuffed said:
You can't lag on people in this country.

We have our own system and it works just fine.
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But no body takes responsibility it seems. There are too many shit batches floating around the past 5 years to convince me that this system works. Being anti-police is just as hypocritical as being prejudice towards junkies.

I like to think that most of my dealers wouldn't knowingly sell something like PMA. It is such a small scene that any death of a friend would be close enough for them to probably know the victim personally. The higher up the tree the more lives you are being held responsible for. If a doctor can be charged for causing the death of a patient then I think any drug dealer should face the same scrutiny. If they are knowingly passing off shit then I wouldn't think twice about calling the cops. I would want justice if I died so at least make all the money poured into drug enforcement work in my favour for once.
 
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