MDMA - will I have a bad trip if my GF breaks up with me when I'm peaking?

[Okami]

Personally, if you are putting a drug in front of her than you cannot love her too much. Put her first dude, fuck the drug. If you rather get high and put drugs first over a human being, than dump the bitch man. Don't play with her heart like that.

Excellent advice.

my $.02 is if she doesn't let you be you, ditch her.

If shes concerned for his health and well being ditch her? Surely whats more concerning is that your not listening to your girlfriend since if shes willing to break up with you about it, it clearly upsets her a lot. If you truly care about someone you should take into account their feelings regardless of whether or not you think they are irrational.

Inform her that its not nearly as bad a she thinks it is by showing her studies and the like. Talk to her about it, if she still against it then maybe its not meant to be, not because she's not allowing to do what you want, but because she's close minded and oppinionated whilst being misinformed, which could cause future quarrels about any number of thigs from drug use, to politics to what movie to watch next tuesday night.

 

[5000m]

OP, how old are you and your GF?

I think this topic should be discussed and sorted out properly between the two of you, has your GF got your back or is she just being controlling? imo it's a good thing when people say no to explicit drugs, but sometimes they have not been educated and don't understand drugs at all

 

[1394]

There is a down for every up.

Why take "MDMA" if your GF does not want you to? She is right, MDMA is a horrible drug that will rot your brain and eventually depress you.

I wouldn't do the pills at the party, you'll probably be fine while you are there but I think everything will change once you come down.

 

[DigThatFunk]

She is right, MDMA is a horrible drug that will rot your brain and eventually depress you.

Yes, and cigarettes will rot your lungs, caffeine can fuck with your brain and nerves, and alcohol will rot... well, everything. What the fuck is the point of such a statement? Seems a little judgemental IMO, and I was pretty sure that's the shit we stay away from around here. MDMA, when used responsibly, like most other substances, has consequences which can be minimized and negated through preparation and knowledge. I'm not saying it's harmless... no drug is. But it's also no more harmful than other drugs when used responsibly and safely.

To the topic at hand, I'm a little on both sides of the argument. I agree that if you love this girl, then waiting to roll some other time would be no big deal (same with listening to her long, boring stories; as well as not talking about her like you have an extreme amount of disdain for her). However, I also agree that someone who is going on hearsay and ignorant rumors about anything, drug or not, over factual evidence which someone close to them is trying to share, is not a good sign for the future of a relationship either.

Communication is hands-down the single most important thing in maintaining a good relationship, and it sounds like you two fucking suck at communicating with each other, no offense intended. If you really feel all this strongly about her, talk to her about it. Like someone recommended, tell her you're willing to not take it out of respect for her throwing the party, and because you care about her enough to want HER party to go according to her wishes. But also open up to her, and share honest information about it and why exactly you want to do it, and why you think you won't embarrass her. Four ecstasy trips should be enough for you to at least have a bit of a handle on how you behave and carry yourself while on it.

Finally, man, I know you think you're spacing out your E rolls quite a bit, but... you really aren't. The four months space was proper, but only waiting one month between 2 and 3 then one and a half between 3 and 4 is starting to really push it. MDMA, as I said above, can be just fine when used responsibly. However, most peoples' experiences show that frequent use (i.e. more than once in a span of less than two or three months) is absolutely NOT a good thing. At the best, you'll only lose your ability to ever have a decent ecstasy roll again. At the worst, you may genuinely fuck a part of your body or mind up for good. I know it's a fucking blast, trust me, I wish I could just do the shit all the time and dance my ass off. I'd be way skinnier, that's for damn sure haha. But if you plan on remaining a "drug user" (which, nothing wrong with a responsible one IMO), then you should also plan ahead to be able to properly enjoy those drugs for as long as you want to use them enjoyably. Just read some of the posts around these forums of those that have lost the MDMA magic. It's a sad thing to think about.

 

[1394]

Yes, and cigarettes will rot your lungs, caffeine can fuck with your brain and nerves, and alcohol will rot... well, everything. What the fuck is the point of such a statement? Seems a little judgemental IMO, and I was pretty sure that's the shit we stay away from around here. MDMA, when used responsibly, like most other substances, has consequences which can be minimized and negated through preparation and knowledge. I'm not saying it's harmless... no drug is. But it's also no more harmful than other drugs when used responsibly and safely.

That's why I don't drink and smoke my good friend + you missed the point of my post, it's more about him and his GF than your opinion.

There are many "drugs" out there that are far safer and much less harmful than "MDMA", and that's if you are actually getting "MDMA".

 

[JWills20]

There are many "drugs" out there that are far safer and much less harmful than "MDMA", and that's if you are actually getting "MDMA".

Sure. They're plenty of foods out there healthier than chocolate. Plenty of safer methods of transport than cars. Point is where do we draw the line of where a risk becomes worth the reward? Sure MDMA has its risks but so does getting in a car, arguably the latter is more dangerous. We're not here to spew out bullshit like 'MDMA will rot your brain' we're here to inform how to reduce risks/dangers and therefore reduce harm.

I agree with you on the latter, you never know its MDxx without a test kit and even then you can't tell purity or test for every possible adulterant. If it was legal at least we'd know what we're getting but then it gets abused more frequently. Thats a whole other debate!

 

[1394]

Sure. They're plenty of foods out there healthier than chocolate. Plenty of safer methods of transport than cars. Point is where do we draw the line of where a risk becomes worth the reward? Sure MDMA has its risks but so does getting in a car, arguably the latter is more dangerous. We're not here to spew out bullshit like 'MDMA will rot your brain' we're here to inform how to reduce risks/dangers and therefore reduce harm.

I agree with you on the latter, you never know its MDxx without a test kit and even then you can't tell purity or test for every possible adulterant. If it was legal at least we'd know what we're getting but then it gets abused more frequently. Thats a whole other debate!

I don't spew bullshit, I'm basically warning the OP. Comparing getting into a car and using a pill you bought on the street, is laughable.

I wouldn't spew bullshit like you if I didn't know what I was talking about. I wouldn't like to see you or the OP in a few years time, opening a thread on TDS about how shit your life is and how you want to end it, because you fried your brain and are very depressed due to stim abuse.

" We're not here to spew out bullshit like 'MDMA will rot your brain' we're here to inform how to reduce risks/dangers and therefore reduce harm."

Yes, and I think telling the OP not to do the pills is the safest form of harm reduction. Since your man is too concerned with having a "good trip" in the case of breaking up with his GF. I'm surprised nobody here told him that he'll come down hard if his GF breaks up with him and that that will really mess with his head.

 

[rizmatter]

MDMA is a horrible drug that will rot your brain and eventually depress you.

Get fucked piggy

 

[JWills20]

I don't spew bullshit, I'm basically warning the OP. Comparing getting into a car and using a pill you bought on the street, is laughable.

I wouldn't spew bullshit like you if I didn't know what I was talking about. I wouldn't like to see you or the OP in a few years time, opening a thread on TDS about how shit your life is and how you want to end it, because you fried your brain and are very depressed due to stim abuse.

" We're not here to spew out bullshit like 'MDMA will rot your brain' we're here to inform how to reduce risks/dangers and therefore reduce harm."

Yes, and I think telling the OP not to do the pills is the safest form of harm reduction. Since your man is too concerned with having a "good trip" in the case of breaking up with his GF. I'm surprised nobody here told him that he'll come down hard if his GF breaks up with him and that that will really mess with his head.

I wasn't comparing taking a pill to getting in a car. Both have risks that you can minimize - HARM REDUCTION. Telling someone not to take a pill is harm prohibition and not harm reduction, what are you doing here if your only advice is 'don't take it' to every thread. I agree the OP should abstain from taking but not cause it will 'rot his brain' or that he will end up depressed and posting a thread in TDS, they are stupid assumptions a shit drug campaigner might throw at you as an argument against drugs. He shouldn't take it just this once to respect his gf's views. After he should try talking to her about it and if she's unable to understand and it still stands to break them up - so be it. In my eyes that would say enough about her personality to realise we're not gunna be together forever. Even if she doesn't like it or understand or want anything to do with it, i'd expect my gf to respect my decisions like i'd respect theres. If the OP was abusing MDMA every weekend maybe i'd agree with his gf's concern but quite frankly, i'm assuming she just has no idea about it like most prohibitionists. I have one friend who goes out drinking and clubbing 2-3+ times a week but he thinks i'm stupid for doing MDMA every 2-3 months. When I ask him he has no idea what it does 'just makes you really high and shit' to name a quote. If you don't know much about it how can you legitimately voice concern?

Anyways to the OP in short: Respect her views, her party and don't take it. If she insists you never take it, dump her - she's too close-minded, ignorant and controlling for you anyways.

 

[Chesh]

I wouldn't like to see you or the OP in a few years time, opening a thread on TDS about how shit your life is and how you want to end it, because you fried your brain and are very depressed due to stim abuse.

pretty sure JWills20 uses MDMA once every 3 months

i'd hardly call that stim abuse and i doubt he'll be visiting TDS anytime soon

 

[1394]

I wasn't comparing taking a pill to getting in a car. Both have risks that you can minimize - HARM REDUCTION. Telling someone not to take a pill is harm prohibition and not harm reduction, what are you doing here if your only advice is 'don't take it' to every thread. I agree the OP should abstain from taking but not cause it will 'rot his brain' or that he will end up depressed and posting a thread in TDS, they are stupid assumptions a shit drug campaigner might throw at you as an argument against drugs. He shouldn't take it just this once to respect his gf's views. After he should try talking to her about it and if she's unable to understand and it still stands to break them up - so be it. In my eyes that would say enough about her personality to realise we're not gunna be together forever. Even if she doesn't like it or understand or want anything to do with it, i'd expect my gf to respect my decisions like i'd respect theres. If the OP was abusing MDMA every weekend maybe i'd agree with his gf's concern but quite frankly, i'm assuming she just has no idea about it like most prohibitionists. I have one friend who goes out drinking and clubbing 2-3+ times a week but he thinks i'm stupid for doing MDMA every 2-3 months. When I ask him he has no idea what it does 'just makes you really high and shit' to name a quote. If you don't know much about it how can you legitimately voice concern?

Anyways to the OP in short: Respect her views, her party and don't take it. If she insists you never take it, dump her - she's too close-minded, ignorant and controlling for you anyways.

I'm not as serious as you think. But you'd have to be very dense not to see what kind of message I'm trying to get across.

"After he should try talking to her about it and if she's unable to understand and it still stands to break them up - so be it."

I'm assuming you know what's best for him? lol you're a kid man, a child. Grow the fuck up please...

 

[JWills20]

I'm not as serious as you think. But you'd have to be very dense not to see what kind of message I'm trying to get across.

"After he should try talking to her about it and if she's unable to understand and it still stands to break them up - so be it."

I'm assuming you know what's best for him? lol you're a kid man, a child. Grow the fuck up please...

Thats my opinion and advice. Do I know whats best - maybe not. Is MDMA going to rot his brain - probably not.

This is pointless. Hopefully the OP makes the right decision.

 

[Okami]

Get fucked piggy

Great contribution, I am know more educated, informed and I definately agree with you.

 

[futura2012]

Get fucked piggy

Grow the fuck up please...

Debates are challenging as long as we refrain from personal insult.

She is right, MDMA is a horrible drug that will rot your brain and eventually depress you.

This is quite a statement to be making on here. Personally I am happy to listen to any theory as long as it has some meaning and sense behind it.

The coment of rotting your brain reminds me of the "holes in your brain safety poster". The main problem with that campaign was that the science behind it was totally floored. Once the science was floored the poster became roach material.

Please tell me why it WILL rot your brain and why it WILL depress you. If you can come back with a valid argument then I am all ears.

Clearly there are risks with MDMA. I agree with you its not the safest drug in the world but why do you think brain rotting and depression is a guaranteed outcome for the future?

Yes, and I think telling the OP not to do the pills is the safest form of harm reduction. Since your man is too concerned with having a "good trip" in the case of breaking up with his GF.

I STRONGLY disagree! telling the OP not to take pills accompanied with "doubtful" information is very poor harm reduction. Harm reduction advice is only effective if it contains true fact and people take notice.

I have been destroyed by E abuse in my previous years. In my eyes I wish I had never taken it in my life. I would love to tell everyone to never take it but this is only because of what I am experiencing now. It is only because I abused it.

When I was young I remember drug adverts suggesting if I took LSD I would lose control and jump off a building. If I smoked weed it would lead me onto heroin. It was the time when the puppet wife Nancy Reagen started a "Just say No to drugs campaign" and was filmed in a tank battering down the door of a so called "crack house".

Unfortunately despite this pantomine as a teenager and with a group of friends we quickly discovered taking LSD wouldnt make you leap off a building. Smoking weed didnt give you a sudden desire to stick a needle in your arm. Now the point is once this trust is broken you loose all confidence in what the government is telling you.

If they were then to say LSD could lead to anxiety issues or could damage your visual cortex causing HPPD. Now the trust is gone you dont beleive it. Once the line of communication is broken by mistrust you now doubt everything. In the case of drugs that do have real dangers as a user if you doubt everything you are told you are now at risk.

It is this breaking of trust that in my eyes is totally the opposite of Harm Reduction.

So by saying dont take E it will rot your brain and cause you depression I would argue is irresponsible and dangerous advice. Reason being it is not true. The more BS you throw out there in the campaign against drugs the more you strengthen the case to take drugs.

This is NOT harm reduction.

 

[1394]

Debates are challenging as long as we refrain from personal insult.



This is quite a statement to be making on here. Personally I am happy to listen to any theory as long as it has some meaning and sense behind it.

The coment of rotting your brain reminds me of the "holes in your brain safety poster". The main problem with that campaign was that the science behind it was totally floored. Once the science was floored the poster became roach material.

Please tell me why it WILL rot your brain and why it WILL depress you. If you can come back with a valid argument then I am all ears.

Clearly there are risks with MDMA. I agree with you its not the safest drug in the world but why do you think brain rotting and depression is a guaranteed outcome for the future?



I STRONGLY disagree! telling the OP not to take pills accompanied with "doubtful" information is very poor harm reduction. Harm reduction advice is only effective if it contains true fact and people take notice.

I have been destroyed by E abuse in my previous years. In my eyes I wish I had never taken it in my life. I would love to tell everyone to never take it but this is only because of what I am experiencing now. It is only because I abused it.

When I was young I remember drug adverts suggesting if I took LSD I would lose control and jump off a building. If I smoked weed it would lead me onto heroin. It was the time when the puppet wife Nancy Reagen started a "Just say No to drugs campaign" and was filmed in a tank battering down the door of a so called "crack house".

Unfortunately despite this pantomine as a teenager and with a group of friends we quickly discovered taking LSD wouldnt make you leap off a building. Smoking weed didnt give you a sudden desire to stick a needle in your arm. Now the point is once this trust is broken you loose all confidence in what the government is telling you.

If they were then to say LSD could lead to anxiety issues or could damage your visual cortex causing HPPD. Now the trust is gone you dont beleive it. Once the line of communication is broken by mistrust you now doubt everything. In the case of drugs that do have real dangers as a user if you doubt everything you are told you are now at risk.

It is this breaking of trust that in my eyes is totally the opposite of Harm Reduction.

So by saying dont take E it will rot your brain and cause you depression I would argue is irresponsible and dangerous advice. Reason being it is not true. The more BS you throw out there in the campaign against drugs the more you strengthen the case to take drugs.

This is NOT harm reduction.

So you basically think, that I believe that MDMA literally ROTS your brain... uh ok? Is there a pandemic of autism in this thread? Please don't freak out if I say my head is about to explode with the ignorance here.

All I see here is people parroting other, more knowledgeable posters, and yes there are very credible studies that show MDMA can cause clinical depression.

"I have been destroyed by E abuse in my previous years. In my eyes I wish I had never taken it in my life. I would love to tell everyone to never take it but this is only because of what I am experiencing now. It is only because I abused it."

"So by saying dont take E it will rot your brain and cause you depression I would argue is irresponsible and dangerous advice."

HMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, now this is interesting. I used to do E, much much younger than anyone here, under very shady circumstances with even more shady people. It only caused me harm, I met a very dark place of my brain, I couldn't imagine I could be that depressed... especially at such an age. I feel obliged to warn people that E (MDxx or whatever the fuck) can cause you harm, and that it will eventually "rot" your brain.

I know a lot of people who have done serious amounts of acid and are fine, yet I know people who have done only 3+ pills of E and argue that they are damaged by it. I personally wish I never did E.

What is dangerous is people telling each other "you will be fine man, you can always take X X X when you come down bla bla bla"

E along with Pharma Opiates, are the best reflections of our society today.

That's all I have to say.

 

[futura2012]

Why take "MDMA" if your GF does not want you to? She is right, MDMA is a horrible drug that will rot your brain and eventually depress you.

So you basically think, that I believe that MDMA literally ROTS your brain... uh ok?

Maybe you can confirm exactly what you are saying?

Is there a pandemic of autism in this thread? Please don't freak out if I say my head is about to explode with the ignorance here.

Insults

All I see here is people parroting other, more knowledgeable posters, and yes there are very credible studies that show MDMA can cause clinical depression.

More insults. Great point.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, now this is interesting. I used to do E, much much younger than anyone here, under very shady circumstances with even more shady people. It only caused me harm, I met a very dark place of my brain, I couldn't imagine I could be that depressed... especially at such an age. I feel obliged to warn people that E (MDxx or whatever the fuck) can cause you harm, and that it will eventually "rot" your brain.

Warning people is great.

Telling them it will rot their brain is not true.

Put the two points together = poor advice

I know a lot of people who have done serious amounts of acid and are fine, yet I know people who have done only 3+ pills of E and argue that they are damaged by it. I personally wish I never did E.

Ok. Doesn't prove anything.

What is dangerous is people telling each other "you will be fine man, you can always take X X X when you come down bla bla bla"

Depends on the context of the conversation. Hard to pin point.

E along with Pharma Opiates, are the best reflections of our society today.

??

That's all I have to say.

After hearing verbal abuse, insults and zero valid argument. My response is simple.

GOOD

 

[Newbierock]

Totally ignored that argument thats kicking off above me,

All I gotta say is this sounds like me and my ex back when I was 17. I'll give you some top advice pal, it starts with them telling you not to do drugs, then it's going out with certain friends, then it's not coming straight to see them from work, and it's all downhill from there.

Basically what i'm saying is, your young, have a lifetime ahead of you and most teenage relationships won't make it past the 20's. Yeah sure some will true love blahblah but for the most part, it's a waste of time. have a mad party take some E sleep with hundreds of girls because you ain't gonna be able to do this shit 20 years down the line. Ditch any woman who tries to control you and don't get so caught up in love. I Wasted 5 of my prime teenage years on one girl I thought I loved - hate to see someone do the same.

 

[JWills20]

So you basically think, that I believe that MDMA literally ROTS your brain... uh ok? Is there a pandemic of autism in this thread? Please don't freak out if I say my head is about to explode with the ignorance here.

All I see here is people parroting other, more knowledgeable posters, and yes there are very credible studies that show MDMA can cause clinical depression.

"I have been destroyed by E abuse in my previous years. In my eyes I wish I had never taken it in my life. I would love to tell everyone to never take it but this is only because of what I am experiencing now. It is only because I abused it."

"So by saying dont take E it will rot your brain and cause you depression I would argue is irresponsible and dangerous advice."

HMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, now this is interesting. I used to do E, much much younger than anyone here, under very shady circumstances with even more shady people. It only caused me harm, I met a very dark place of my brain, I couldn't imagine I could be that depressed... especially at such an age. I feel obliged to warn people that E (MDxx or whatever the fuck) can cause you harm, and that it will eventually "rot" your brain.

I know a lot of people who have done serious amounts of acid and are fine, yet I know people who have done only 3+ pills of E and argue that they are damaged by it. I personally wish I never did E.

What is dangerous is people telling each other "you will be fine man, you can always take X X X when you come down bla bla bla"

E along with Pharma Opiates, are the best reflections of our society today.

That's all I have to say.

I'm sorry you've had to endure a drug-induced depression :/ and thats what the forum is here for - stopping incidents like yours from occuring with honest advice based upon fact/unbiased opinion. Being an ex-drug abuser you must be able to relate with me that 'Just say no' doesn't work in stopping people from abusing substances and can in-turn cause the opposite. Under no circumstances does the forum advocate taking MDMA all the time or 'when you're coming down.' But if users insist to abuse it and do it anyway we offer advice on reducing harm like supplements, exercise and sustained abstinence to recover.

Anyways @OP; I'm intrigued to hear what decision you made and any consequences? Get back to us.

 

[down508]

my suggestion is if you really love her then maybe don't do MDMA at her party. healthy relationships are all about compromises and it doesn't sound like you really respect this girl that much or else you would at least appreciate her concern for her and out of respect not do MDMA around her?

just a thought

 

[Chesh]

I still think it's a dick move to do drugs at somebody's house/party if they don't want you to.