last minute mescaline assistance needed (san pedro).

[dg420]

One thing i'd add that hasn't already been mentioned is use vinegar as your acid if you use one at all. Lemon/lime juice, more specifically the citric acid is not volatile like acetic acid. Excess vinegar will evaporate off while citric acid will not, and the more you reduce it the more sour it will get. No need to make that tasty tasty tea even more delicious

no, vinegar wont evap from tea. where'd you get that gem?

neither will an actual volatile acid like hcl, unless the tea is dried to resin and that dried with desiccant


NO acid is needed to make tea, all the alkaloids are very water soluble in plant form

 

[username840]

no, vinegar wont evap from tea. where'd you get that gem?

neither will an actual volatile acid like hcl, unless the tea is dried to resin and that dried with desiccant


NO acid is needed to make tea, all the alkaloids are very water soluble in plant form

unfortunately i read this after starting the brew late last night. it simmered until about an hour ago when i enacted first round of straining. i used 25 percent vinegar (to a 4 qt solution of distilled vinegar and distilled water.). since straining once, ive taken the extracted solution and am boiling it down in another pot... i have this pot on a med heat opposed to a simmer. ive also extracted liquids from plat matter once since this first time and will extract once more before calling it a day on that step.

the solution seems to be reducing nicely. i guess my question is, if no acid is NEEDED, am i necessarily harming the brew by increasing its acidity? and how would doing so NOT catalyze the extraction???

 

[daytryptr]

no, vinegar wont evap from tea. where'd you get that gem?

neither will an actual volatile acid like hcl, unless the tea is dried to resin and that dried with desiccant


NO acid is needed to make tea, all the alkaloids are very water soluble in plant form

Yes, vinegar will evaporate from a tea. No shit its not going to evaporate all the way, but compared to other non-volatile acids some will evaporate off and make it less acidic. I never said all the excess acid will evaporate off. Try this, take some vinegar, put it in a pot of boiling water and smell the vapor coming off. Then say some of the excess vinegar is not going to boil off.

And depending on where you live, tap water can be as high as ph 8.5 like mine is. Meaning an acid is usually necessary to drop the ph down to being at least neutral. You can just use distilled water w/o an acid, but acids held break down the plant material and extract the goodies better. Its not necessary though if you have tap water @ ph7 or lower or use distilled water.

 

[username840]

THANK YOU TO ALL.

i am still feeling the residual effects of the experience (4 days later, yes... has this ever occurred with any other psychedelic or combination of, for me? no...) , my visual perceptions (mostly w lcd screens by NOW, lol) are still slightly obscured, my state of being is at a sustained calm which is the effect i most look forward to achieving in inducing any entheogen-ic healing, depending on circumstances this sustained calm has endured anywhere from hours after the trip to weeks, so making it to 4 days without unnecessary stress, although not totally uncommon after taking an entheogen has stopped before a fourth day more than it has continued beyond.

The day OF the trip, full-rainbow fractals were everywhere, especially when my eyes were closed. it seems as though everything radiated the full spectrum of color. The day of, physically, I felt as though I had taken mushrooms... i was mildly lethargic but the calm energy my headspace was feeling/producing, made moving around and engaging in the day physically, easy (whereas with mushrooms i never get quite so euphoric that moving is worth the idea unless the idea is to take a shit.)... all without feeling the amphetamine-like, overwhelming (sometimes), physical euphoria felt when lsd is isolated. Closed eye visuals were not the STRONGEST i had ever experienced, but were absolutely stunning and perhaps will end up impacting more than previous, more powerful closed eye sessions.

the walls shifted and tapestries formed, opening my consciousness and diminishing my ego.



nausea was felt for an hour or so, i did vomit (20 minutes after ingesting the mescaline)... but after vomiting and shitting twice (feeling/seeing a flurry of rainbows w every push, hah) i felt a new.


our body needs these alkaloids. no conventional therapy has ever impacted me so vigorously for a few minutes, much less four days.


again, i STRONGLY suggest the combination, esp for general mental and emotional healing.


THANKS

 

[dg420]

Then say some of the excess vinegar is not going to boil off.

perhaps a bit could, but not enough to make over acidified tea palatable, at least not ime

as long as the waters ph you use is below the pka of mescaline all the salts will be soluble. 9.6 iirc

 

[clear_sky]

lol

that thought makes my teeth hurt.

I'm preparing san pedro for the second time.
The first time I got distracted during the final boiling down process and the whole thing got badly burnt.

Anyway, this time I have a somewhat bigger chunk of cactus.
As a result, the huge stainless steel pot I used last time isn't big enough.
I have another pot, but I'm not sure whether it's aluminium or an alloy or maybe it has some kind of coating. Def not stainless steel.
So I cooked half of the cactus in stainless steel pot and the other half in unknown pot.
I'm boiling the goo down now, but still keeping them separate.

I've heard that you're not supposed to use aluminium pots.
My questions is - why? What happens if one ingests cactus cooked in aluminium or aluminium alloy?

Thanks

 

[Ismene]

I didn't think there was any problem in cooking straight cactus and water in an aluminium pot. The problem would be if you were doing something like a DMT extraction in one as sodium hydroxide eats through aluminium like a knife through butter.

 

[Jesusgreen]

Just so you know we already have a Big & Dandy Mescaline/Cactus thread and this one will be merged with that one by me or one of the other mods once you've had a chance to reply

 

[daytryptr]

I didn't think there was any problem in cooking straight cactus and water in an aluminium pot. The problem would be if you were doing something like a DMT extraction in one as sodium hydroxide eats through aluminium like a knife through butter.

I think it has something to do with acidic water in aluminum cookware-

http://www.usc.edu/CSSF/History/2002/Projects/J0520.pdf

Combine that with pulling multiple times, and reducing/concentrating the aluminum pulled off the cookware and it could become a problem. Cactus flesh in and of itself could be acidic, and just using straight distilled water/cactus might be acidic enough to be a problem as well.