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Bath salts (probable MDPV) can lead to Social Anxiety and Psychotic Depression

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I've been doing legal highs for about 3 years in several episodes.

The first one led to a maniacal psychosis, very alike to schizophrenia, triggered by synthetic cannabinoids (my guess). In one month and a half, I've recovered completely and needed no more antipsychotics.

At almost a year after that, I've discovered bath salts, respectively Pure by Magic, snorting and snorting for 5 months or so. First times I thought it's some kind of speed, thou never done amphetamines, and used it for school purposes, unfortunately instead to make me brighter made me dumber and stupid. After some time, psychotic feelings overwhelmed me, but even so, I didn't stopped, addiction was my name. Every time I was a step closer to psychosis, luckily never happened.

The consequences come in, social withdrawal - avoiding friends, paranoid to meet people, walking on devious, discrete streets with few people, not answering phone calls, juts going out to buy a fix ... with a cap being camouflage.

I was forced to meet my psychiatrist, she told me I have GAD, gave me pills, and except 4mg/day of clonazepam nothing worked so well. After some time, I was dx with psychotic disorder. Now my new doc says it's depressive disorder :-??

The last episode began this year in February, I think, and last until early summer. This time the "new" drug was a soil fertilizer, called Ice Rock (another attempt to mimic amphetamines) - it was cool at beginning, since I had medication to keep under control any undesirable side effect. This time I used to inject it, in small amounts to avoid psychotic symptoms and worked pretty well for my imaginary ADD, until I run out of clonazepam.

I was told 2 times that my urine contains PCP (false-positive?), other compounds I don't remember, and once nortriptyline.
It make sens all the psychotic feelings now, because of PCP.

My problem now is that I have a "decent" treatment that don't work, I'm extremely scared to meet people, walking out without 2mg of alprazolam, thou my new-doc gives me only 0.5mg/day. Every time I accuse anxiety he increases Seroquel dosage - I'm on 150mg now. I'm also on Wellbutrin/Elontril 300 XR, pramiracetam 600x2.

I don't know what to do, what to ask my doc, I just want to be among people without being scared (2 years by now struggling to be as I was, shy, but pretty alright). After all, in October I have to start my last year of collage.

My primary question is about PCP damaging irremediable structures of my brain and if I might be recovered soon. Also, is there any specific treatment to improve patients previously on PCP?

Thank you very much for your time.
 
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so you binge on RC stimulants (bath salts :E) while having already suffered a psychological disease and wonder why it gets worse?

also, i don't see how the PCP fits into this picture? have you taken it consciously? i cannot imagine that there might be PCP or derivates in bath salts, because that's not what the target group is after (or at least i think so). anyway, i think that your abuse of stims is most likely the main reason for your problems, you should seek other ways to deal with your ADD and stuff... stims are well known to cause psychotic episodes when overused.
 
Possibly, MXE shows up in piss tests as PCP....? Maybe 4-MeO-PCP?

Either way, bath salts are too much of a gamble. I certainly wouldn't go snorting some branded shit without knowing whats in it.
 
MDPV seems to have quite the same side-effects as PCP. And now, thanks to you I can inform my doc about, to look into it.

One think I didn't mentioned about Pure by Magic is the inability to sleep until 4, 5 in the morning and constantly being paranoid at maximum and over-sensing every little noise, heart-beating, breath, etc. (250mg mixed with I don't know)

The soil fertilizer, Ice Rock, does not do that, it's weaker, thou it can give psychotic symptoms when overdosed. It was tested positive to PCP as well.

About ADD, I am not really sure I have it - in my country only kids have access to proper medication and I'm 24.
Doesn't matter, I just want to be socially apt, I manage with lots of coffee, bupropion and nootropics.

Thank you for your replies.

PS: I'm off bath salts/soil fertilizers/synthetic cannabinoids since April this year.
 
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Congrats on being clean since April, it sounds like you are headed in the right direction. I have a friend who experienced many of the same symptoms you mention wen he was taking various bath salts for a few months last fall. Sounds like scary stuff, best to avoid them altogether. I have no idea if whatever was in them may have caused any permanent damage, but for my friend, it has seemed to heal quite well with time and he's back to being his old self now less than a year later. Good luck with your final year at school!
 
Maybe I exaggerate, but I believe it's something about "malfunctioning" of the amygdala.
I'm a scareful person since always, thou I didn't had major problems socializing. I knew I'm different and it didn't bothered me much. Now I'm completely nuts, without minimum 0.75 mg of alprazolam I'm not leaving the house (since my new doc stopped 4 mg of clonazepam). I wont say how dumb and stupid I feel, I don't comprehend thinks, have to read twice the same think, etc, etc.
 
You'll be okay. In my opinion the anxiety/fear/panic reaction is frum the salts. The dumbness, stupid, comprehension/reading failure: That is for clonazepam/alprazolam AND also their withdrawals. Hang in there man.
 
IME, you should probably try to use the benzos as least as possible.
They slow down recovery big time.

After I had a 4-5 hour long panic attack on stimulants, took me a year to get back to normal anxiety, and be able to talk to people again.
Was long hard, and gruelling process. But benzos should only be used in extreme cases where you're having a panic attack or similar.

They can make social anxiety worse if you use them for too long.
 
jaurk, sometimes I'm wandering about this mater too and about all the meds I'm onto - it wouldn't be better without anything? Though, for me, it's a thin line when it comes to anxiety/psychotic feelings, not that I'm hearing voices and I'm delusional in all ways, but because when anxiety is extreme (in crowded places, buses, large markets, school, etc), I'm sorta hallucinating - like my thoughts are flying with the speed of light, and "tells" me that I'm a freak and everybody around can see this clearly, so my heart starts to pump vigorously, my skin is itching, my eyes bounce from one point to another rapidly (anyone would see I'm nervous), sometimes I'm biting my nails (especially home) or better fidgeting my fingers (in public spaces).

I'm trying to outline that when I'm observed, because I'm sure I act at least a bit peculiar, I become so nervous, the tension accumulates to the point on having a true panic attack.

"Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you." - I support this, let's be honest, people are not that stupid when it comes to body language, at least the young ones are such a good observers and even leer at me. So, let's face it "confidence is attractive".

Tomorrow I'm going to see my doc ... I'll come back to "report"

I genuinely thank you again for your answers!
 
I once bought a half gram of MDPV back when it was available, and good god that shit was strong. It was great in small amounts, but the compulsion to re-dose again and again was immense, and the stimulation would build to epic heights by the end of each day, which was never before two or three in the morning. I used it straight for a couple of weeks, and have never been so productive, anxious, paranoid and restless in my life. I was aware of the subtle but increasing psychosis but kept using anyway. I was glad when I ran out, because I couldn't put it down on my own volition.

I did play some of the best guitar of my life though. Something about it allowed me to compose and improvise like I never had before or have since. It was really quite phenomenal. I've taken loads of cocaine, amphetamines, methylphenidate, other bath salts, etc. which all increase focus and mental ability/agility, but this was truly astounding when it came to playing music. I've always wondered if any other musicians experienced similar effects.
 
Virtually any stimulant when abused is gonna cause you social problems and anxiety.
 
Rc's fucking suck...
I've hit synthetic weed one time and it tasted like shit and did not get me high.

I stick to the real drugs..tried and true with very little risk of all this shit. You know that RC's probably haven't undergone any trials, YOU are the guinea pig..
 
My doctor switched me off any benzo now, and put me on a greater dosage of Seroquel 400mg, Anafranil 75mg/day and the rest above. I'm hopping this combo will solve my problem and put me back in school.

As for stimulants in general, I think I've learned my lesson, better without.
 
Why does MDPV show up as PCP in tests? That seems bizarre.
 
It only shows up in reactive tests, so all it takes is for a metabolite of MDPV to react in the same way as PCP and you have a false positive.
 
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