Regional Heroin Discussion v15

[brimz]

when we 1st hitting up we use to use lemon juice - for a few years, never made me blind or any one else i knew.
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Same as where did that myth start . I wouldn't recommend it obviously.

 

[BC007]

The stuff in Ireland & UK is always #3.
Has anyone in UK or Ireland ever come across number 4??

 

[blondin]

once in 30y mate had 100g uncut - a very happy 3 weeks was had until it all went/sold

 

[blondin]

Same as where did that myth start . I wouldn't recommend it obits kinda true - a bacterium that lives in rotten lemons.

 

[ructions]

The stuff in Ireland & UK is always #3.
Has anyone in UK or Ireland ever come across number 4??

Hi BC007!!! How are things your end? Are you still getting that really good gear that you got last week? Do you reckon that there is much of it around? I didn't score at all this weekend & i'll be keeping my head down this week as well! But i'm due in the clinic on Friday morning so i'll be testing the water after the clinic.

Things had been ok/good in Dublin for the last while, but when i scored last week things were not as good & there seemed to be a bit of a shortage. So i'm hoping that things will be a bit better this weekend! Although a part of me feels like not bothering to score at all, last week was such a let down. I was SOoooooo.... looking forward to scoring after the clinic, but i ended up having nothing but trouble trying to find someone with gear & then when i did find someone the gear wasn't great. I just don't know if i wanna go through all that again, running around like an eejit trying to find decent gear & wasting a whole load of cash in the process!

Although i bet come Friday morning i'll be dieing to get something........

 

[jspun]

Blondin Yea, that tar I suspect looks the way it does because mexican heroin cooks probably don't do much refining of the opium before acetylating it. Thus the high MAM content and other reacted and semi reacted impurities, intermediates, ect... once tested positive for codeine in addition to morphine at the clinic and I don't think anyone was cutting tar with codeine. In a spoon the stuff cooks up black or a really dark brown. The stuf gets darker for some reason when mixed with coke.

Anyway, so the hash you got was prety good? No opium though? Did you see any of the sites? How was the mood on the streets post Mubarack?

Brimz Were did you vacation last year brother- wasn't it Portugal or Spain? Did you hook up gear.

Cornish Did you say you are rolling friday? On E yea? how is the E in the UK these days? When I was first aquiring a habit in the early 90s we had great pills comming on line. Thats when cooked in California stood for something- now its all comming from Canada. The high was stronger than a few years prior when E was available as capsules or Molly although the later was often a cleaner or more subtle high at its best. Anyway, I remember that dope and E was a good combination. Smoking black before comming back to baseline (or fixing it) made me feel somehow more grounded and the jitterness was replaced by a more pronounced glow. Speaking of rumors- there was a rumor that E was cut with heroin lol. Anyone with an understanding of economics and bioavailability would see the foly in this- although the rumor persists to this day.

There was a dutch study investigating heroin supplementation for people whose methadone wasn't holding them adequately. They had an IV and smoking group. Anyway the subjects that were getting smokable heroin had a preparation that the investigators were formulating with cafeine to make it more suitable for smoking.

Hey Ruct when I was going to the clinic here I would not chip for several days and double up on my take homes. Anyway I would fill up a container of urine that would last me a couple of months that I would put in the fridge. I would bring a small sample cup with me incase I got tested. They didn't check temp like my previous clinic in the Bay Area. Wonder if this strategy would work for you or others going to the clinic. Hey you guys go to the clinic get an Rx then go to the chemist to get your dose? Wondering because they would dose us at the clinic.

Also, I have a friend that lived in Dublin. I asked him what M-7 was- he said I was probably refering to a district of Dublin. lol. Now reading D-7 or D-24 makes sense.
He also said that the countryside was well integrated with urban areas. sounds like a prety city.

Wonder how Charlie is doing?

Anyone hear anything about the gear markets on the Continent? I reckon they would be recovering as well.

This afternoon has been overcast and dreary. Even sprinkled alittle. It was days like this that made me want to get goud. Our term for getting high on gear although it is somewhat antiquated. Probably a term that an American dopefiend imported from across the pond, a bastardization of the British Gouch.

 

[jspun]

Hey wanted to turn you all on to a BL thread that I've liked through the years. The topic is somewhat seppocentric- foreign drug scenes- but it explores alot of scenes around the world- Japan to Cambodia, to Auz, Germany, South America, ect...starts off alittle slow but some interesting reading...

Foreign Drug Scenes

 

[blondin]

There was a dutch study investigating heroin supplementation for people whose methadone wasn't holding them adequately. They had an IV and smoking group. Anyway the subjects that were getting smokable heroin had a preparation that the investigators were formulating with cafeine to make it more suitable for smoking.

They still script smokeable heroin in Holland (much higher % of people smoke rather than inject) and they cut 30% caffeine.
No opium but I didnt try that hard to find it but the hash was excellent, very fresh and smelled wonderful.

Getting lush gear at the moment , quite dark comes in smallish lumps and is quite hard - my tollerance should have gone up by now but .1/.2 will get me gouching.

 

[maxalfie]

Hi JSpun,I've often seen on American programmes where addicts are in withdrawals and they say that they are 'Jonesing'.
Do you know where that expression originates from?

 

[wcote]

So when smoke tar heroin your smoking loads of acetic? Nasty!

Also pinning it must be terrible! If even possible.

Nice gear, bag sizes much improved, still would only go to 3 guys. Rest is brickdust.

If china white is *4 then iv had it 3 times, from same supply, omg it was lush. I cant see me having it again contact is dead!

 

[Kronos]

Sorry probably wrong thread to post this but i reckon you guys will give better answers, i got a few hundred mil of meth this morning and being a fairly non tolerant opiate user (0.2g of great gear had me nodding the other day) i started low, 7ml this morning. Now i've been getting minimal effects (slight contentment, slight sedation) and i know this stuff lasts forever, what would be a good topup dose to gouch out this eve but still be functional if necessary, and to leave me with the content feeling tomorrow? I'm guessing another 7-10ml (took first lot at 11:20). I'm pretty experienced with opiates but never meth and been off em for a while. I'm 6'1 and 11st. Been off benzos esp to reduce danger. Cheers

 

[wcote]

I would say have another 10-15ml. If your getting minimum effects. You have few hundred mils so you can use this as the test.

 

[Kronos]

sound il play it safe and go with 10, dont wanna be gouching out especially since i'm around family haha, cheers bud

 

[jspun]

Maxalfie

Hi JSpun,I've often seen on American programmes where addicts are in withdrawals and they say that they are 'Jonesing'.
Do you know where that expression originates from?

Thats a good question. Never thought of that, we use the expression so much. According to the Urban dictionary online the term originated from a street in Manhattan called
Great Jones St in what appears to be in The Village. The term is said to have originated because alot of heroin addicts used to congregated on that alley- to describe craving or withdawal. Now its a colloquilaism in widespread use the denotes craving for anything (like I'm jonesing for ice cream).

Ruct I met my friend that lived in Dublin last night. He was just drinking (alot) back then- but that was prety much it. Was there back in 1996. Anyway, he said the Ds stand for postal codes. Anyway, he said he lived in D-7. He descibed it as a prety classy neighborhood. Also said the term of endearment for an American was a yanky doodle wanker....Hahahaha.

CK I'd stay with 10 mgs sounds good- can always up your dose in 5 cc increments.

 

[blondin]

@CFK - there is no euphoric effect to be had from 'done (thats why they prescribe it - the fuckers) so its pretty useless for recreational purposes, when i ever have a surpluss i end up exchanging it for something more interesting

 

[blondin]

So when smoke tar heroin your smoking loads of acetic? Nasty!

Thats why you burn it off - tbh given the amount off smoke that comes off (imagine vinegre gas) it still leaves most of the volume on the foil - the stuff i had was very strong looked a bit like hash , not sticky, soft and light brown in a lump.

 

[jspun]

Got some FDS scene reports- alittle old.

Carl

a little update on the cambodia scene

I've spent the past three months in a heroin induced haze, smoking a nice joint of fairly good ganja from time to time. None of this is hard to find, you will be offered as a foreigner.

Easily available on the street: Ice/yaba, several qualities of marijuana, heroin, and occasionally MDMA
Pharmacies are your friend, diazepam ans alprazolam are stocked in every pharmacy in the country, and some of the bigger ones has more exotic ones like tempzepam and midazolam. This will all be sold OTC without a problem. Some pharmacies will sell ketamikne, but that has become very rare. I'm currently using pharmacy bought dihydrocodine to taper myself off of the heroin before my trip home...

This has come up on sever threads on BL, two in teh archives so I'll provide an answer for future reference....
The ONLY place I've found in Cambodia that has normal insulin syringes in Pharmacy De La Gare, on Monivong blvd. They are terumo brand, with 29 or 28g depending on your choice. Most other pharmacies have them, and they will sell them, but they are huge 25g monsters that aren't pleasant to use.


Last edited by carl; 22-11-2009 at 07:06.

Here is some pre-drought scene info, UK:

Eight-O-Eight

22-11-2009 11:50



I'm in St Pauls, Bristol - a large city in the UK.

I score from an open-market. Its a road that this gang has basically just "claimed".

The only people that walk up and down it is dealers and junkies.

You just walk up to any one of them, say what you want - "B's" or "Whites" (H/crack), they give you the drugs, you give them the money - job done. They don't know your name, you don't know their name.

Its rough as fuck, but the gears of a good quality and size - and its fucking reliable. You can go there any time of day, any day of the week and score in a matter of seconds. The police just seem to turn a blind eye to it - as theres no "normal" residents left there to give a shit about.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/373156-Foreign-Drug-Scenes/page11

Meemo

Hello there, interesting topic, im from Beirut, Lebanon. Drug scene here is thriving, almost everyone here has a habit as we have a large variety of drugs like E speed cocaine crack heroin lsd and ofcourse hashish, i read some posts sayin that in the usa and canada there is an open market, this is not available here, but its almost cool to ask any easy going local to score for u...as we also have a famous region called the bekaa valley, almost all drugs are processed there and sent to the city, as cannabis is also grown in its remote areas. thats regarding Lebanon. now im living in Saudi Arabia, Jeddah came here to work,anyways i came to oil-land with a 8 year heroin habit under my belt, so as a precaution i got subutex with me from home, to make long story short, i soon had some local and foreign frnds here that hooked me up with afghan hash and benzos mostly rivotril, the heroin things was a big NO to them, i didnt give up so i started wandering in the ghetto/poor areas and BINGO i hit jackpot the alley is full of used needles thrown on the ground, so i started asking around untill i met the right person that hooked me up with the dealers responsible in this alley/ghetto.
in conclusion the saudi scene is a bit different from the Lebanese scene cause drugs are still a taboo here and forbidden by religion, but theres a huge market and almost everything is available but u need to have contacts..

Peace!

last but not least the illustrious LouLou Reed

26-06-2012 18:26



Hi. Things are changing fast in France.

Shooting rooms are welcomed by the Minister of Health, cannabis decrim is discussed, and so on.

It's nice to see a change!

Hopefully makes for some interesting reading. There is good stuff on this thread and Rach had posted a great travel report on Cambodia a few years back on opiophile. Like $10 grams of 90% #4, ect.... Maybe I'll look for the link. apparently he posted stuff on his trip on BL that somehow disapeared into cyberspace if I remember correctly.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/373156-Foreign-Drug-Scenes/page16

 

[Kronos]

Aye? Even with little tolerance? (&is this a case of YMMV as i find subbys to be lovely) balls if not, i feel content and abit itchy though so better than nowt, not gonna redose though because it lasts ages & doses stack afaik? +It aint a great idea to do some gear on top is it, better off waiting until its out of my system correct? ah well got a spliff here which shold mong me out a bit mebbe even enough for a nod I'd have a vally or 2 but from what i've heard methadone and blues and a lethal combo

 

[jspun]

Post about Israel by Rach

Israel...

First, the general history...Jews have a traditional usage of cannabis and opium in both medicine and in worship. This is known from oral history, written history and the archaeological record. However, the tumultuous political and social histories of both the land and the Jewish People led to what can be called a "Clean Slate" when Modern Israel was established in 1948.

From 1948 until 1973 Israel treated drug addiction as a purely medical issue. We had no drug laws, no drug rehabs, and no prisoners on drug offences.

From 73 to 83 it was looked at as a degenerate behavior, a totally criminal behavior and this radical shift in attitudes was due to a couple of factors, the traditional usage being relegated to the very traditional Jews, (i.e. "Those who did not have the benefit of a secual/modern education").

Another huge cause was the West's infatuation with Israel from 67 to 73 when we appeared as the "underdog" in amazing military victories.

Western Backpackers began flocking to Israel, especially to our "Kibbutzim," our collective farms and so it was this combination of "foreign decadence" and "uneducated backwardness" within our own culture that drug use then became vilified.

In 1982 we went to war in Lebanon, a time that is pivotal in my own life, for in 1983 as a 16 year old I entered a combat unit in the Eastern Sector (Beka'a).

Lebanon is a source country for heroin and hashish, and Beka'a is where it originates.

I, like so many other Israeli men of my generation became an opiate/opioid addict.

Israel at that time was tiny, 4 hours by car, north to south and 45 minutes east to west in some points. Less than 4 million people including non-Jews so that Israeli-Jews were a very cohesive group, everyone knew everyone.

In the first 15 months of that war we had the equivalent of 200,000 dead (in per capita figures, compared to the US). America was scarred by Viet Nam, where much less than 20,000 died in 10 years. Imagine 200,000 Americans in 15 months? This was my adolescence, and the adolescence of my country.

The country was badly scarred and drug use was out in the open.

From 84 until 94 they struggled with the issue. By law you could be given 25 years for a "roach" (tip of 1 cannabis cigarette), but then when "war heroes" were treated like criminals and our country woke up.

In 1994 the K'nesset
(our Senate/Parliament) began looking at legalisation and though drugs remain illegal today, users are no longer even incarcerated and drug addicts are considered to be "drug victims."

Today mainstream hospitals, like Hadassah, give cannabis oil even to infants, we have heroin by Rx for long term addicts such as myself and have followed the European Model, such as Spain with the "Free Zones." For those that are unfamiliar, in cities like Barcelona you can get methadone on demand at any hour of any day, in 3 districts. The police allow all illegal drugs to also be sold in those districts and do not arrest users, etc. Periodically they toughen up but it never lasts. Israel has not "toughened up" thank G-D.

OK...so, heroin...Drugs are known by the term "Sameem," and this term like "Dope" in NYC, applies specifically to heroin though, like "Dope," can generically mean "all drugs."

We have 2 forms of heroin, #2 and #4.

#2 is freebase of course, light tan to chocolate brown chunky powder almost always from Lebanon. Sold in quarter grammes (250 mgs.) for -- US. It can be 20% to 80% but is almost always 60% on the street. You can smoke it, insufflate (snort) it, or inject it with an acidic catalyst added (we used to use lemon juice but today you can get satchels of vitamin c from the govt.).

#4, is snow white heroin out off Turkey (the SW Asian export out of
Pakistan/Afghanistan, and alot of the time Golden Triangle/SE Asian as well). In half grammes on up, rarely found with street dealers. Half grammes for -- US, and usually 70% or better in purity, alot of the time the purity is at 90 plus percent, though it is usually going to cost 50 to 60 US when very pure).

Syringes are OTC in Israel, and cost 60 US cents for the cheap insulin variety.

Heroin is found all over the country but the best and cheapest is in Lod , Tel Aviv, Be'er Sheva (Beersheva) and Rahat. The last is a Bedua (Beduoin) city, and foreigners will not have any luck there at all, lucky if they do not beat you when robbing you.

In Tel Aviv, foreigners can easily find all things illegal in *please do not post location*, but there are many areas where it is sold.

In Lod, and in Tel Aviv neighbourhoods they usually sell from holes in walls, which we cal by the Russian slang words "Kaspomat," which means "ATM." Like the little slots in an ATM, put you money in, pick up you paper or plastic satchel filled with heroin and move on.

Cocaine is -- to --- US per gramme, uncut, but never on the street.

In Israel, we have very bad Organised Crime. I have spent time in Sicily and southern Italy and they have nothing on us. In our tiny country we have 29 "Families." When they fight it is by LAW (like RPGs) and car bombs. They control many things, and one of them is the nightclub/disco industry. Coke is sold in nightclubs and in those circles.

We do not have methamphetamine because, like many Middle-Eastern nations we have Rx amphetamines like Captagon. Captagon, which we call "Feet'ton" is often bootlegged from Syria, Lebanon, or further east in the UAE, etc.

Actual Captagon is fenethylline hcl, which is actually stronger and more euphoric than amphetamine or methamp. People inject it, but I have never heard of anyone smoking it.

We also have a huge methcathinone scene, another very powerful stimulant. We call it "Hagee'got" and it was legal until 3 weeks ago, so it is still being sold OTC. In Tel Aviv you have these little kiosks that sell head shoppe crap, like in Amsterdam. They are open non-stop and Hag is sold in white capsules. It was about -- US cents per capsule though now I am sure that the price would be at least ----- per.

You can inject the contents, just like Catagon. Methcathinone is an analouge from cathinone, the active ingredient in the Khat plant which is also found growing wild all over the country.

MDMA? If anyone here does not know the Israeli role with that substance... In T. Aviv you can get the best for -- US cents per tab. Powder varies but noone buys it unless from a connection because they can put anything in powder where as it takes time and effort to dummy up a tab.

Benzodiazepines, codeine, dihydrocodiene are all OTC, so enjoy though the
opiates/opioids I mentioned are in low dosage compounds, but CWE can take care of that just fine.

Cannabis....We used to be religious about hashish but younger people stupidly would rather have weed itself. We still have enough hash though.The best, is Lebanese, "Zerharat" brand (Zerharat al Kolkh), a blonde cream from Beka'a.

The usual way we buy is in a "Finger," what we call "Tollah." Finger is 10 grammes, one piece usually. A finger of Zerharat is -- US per.

You can get fingers of Lebanese brown and red creams for -- US per, or harder (less fresh or less expertly prepared) for -- to -- US per finger.

On the street, they also sell 3 gramme pieces, very cheaply, in the kiosks, etc but prices are not something I would know offhand.

The best though, is Charras, from India (mannali and pradesh). Most Hebrew speakers can not make the "ch" sound "as in the word "church") so they usually call it "karras" or else "charras" in the Hebrew fashion where the "ch" is guttural, like when you say the German word "macht" or "nicht").

Charras is sold for -- US per finger but NEVER on the street, takes time to find.

Weed...Hydro varieties are -- US per gramme, where as Sinai weed is -- US cents per gramme, red haired bud. We call weed by the Russian slang "Anashah."

Hash is called, of course, "Hasheesh."

Opium can be had in Rehat, and sometimes in Be'er Sheva, and we call it "Afeeyon." Prices vary but it is very cheap, cheaper than hash.

Khat as I said grows wild, as does Rue, a hallucinogenic plant that Bedua still use. In the West they call it "Syrian Rue."

The currency is the New Israeli Shekel, or "NIS," and roughly 4 NIS equal 1 US Dollar.

One thing worthy of mention is the way we smoke hash. We call it by the Arabic, "Charboosh." You take a tong, pick a tiny piece of red hot carcoal, lite the hash, and immediately put a glass jar over it. It captures all the smoke, the jar has an outlet on top with screw on lid, you remove the lid and voila....It is the traditional way we smoke, but I enjoy the nargileh, what some call the "Hookah" in turkey, etc.

We sit in our courtyards, or if we have modern homes, or apts, similar outside spaces, and slowly smoke.

(Edited for spelling)

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/373156-Foreign-Drug-Scenes/page8

 

[jspun]

CK If your tolerance was higher I would advise you differently but yes I would avoid chiping on top of the Meth- though thats not the big danger. The biggest danger is taking the valium (I'm assuming thats what blues are?) and mixing it with the methadone. With tolerant people that is a common mi.x. Here Klonopin and Xanax are the benzos of choice but even tolerant people have been known to fall out from the combo (never stoped me).

Sunny right now in contrast to yesterday. have day off so mabe I'll go surf or jump in the water- while its still 70F. Need to get my endorphin fix.

Blondin Acetic gas is nasty but you aquire a taste for it as it typically represent less cut tar. Now the best tar has the acetic reagent purified out of it in the work up.

Tar is subpar- but can be suprisingly good on occasions.