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Cannabis smokers 'risk lower IQ'

Mailmonkey said:
Typical this "knee-jerk anti-[insert some banality here..royalty, conservatism, creationism :p] sentiment"

lol, I've been down the allotment all afternoon smoking weed, drinking cider, and picking beetroots and runner beans...

I had a feeling this thread might have gone this way.

Postmen aren't on the IQ list MSB, does that mean I'm even shitter than a fucking sexton???
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You and I both know postmen weren't put on the list because they couldn't figure out how to fill out the name and occupation part.

[edit] Joking aside I think you would fall under "Service worker", so anywhere from like 82 to 121. And you know i'm not a creationist lol.
 
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I'd like to see some more facts about how those figures in that chart were obtained, how many on each group were surveyed etc. I still think that IQ testing is a good way of getting a rough estimate of intelligence levels, but agree that there are other factors that it doesn't take into account.

I like this blog post though, and agree that regulated legalisation of cannabis could potentially reduce the exposure to under 18s.

http://markreckons.blogspot.co.uk/2...it.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

This is assuming we think cannabis use can be particularly harmful to under 18s in the first place of course. I smoked weed regularly from the age of 16 to my mid 20s and still have an IQ of around 120 but that's not to say it could have been higher if I'd abstained!
 
One of the designers of the study said it only applied to people who smoked cannabis 4 times a week or more from the age of 13.

I wonder if they factored in doing something that takes that much time up when you're supposed to be studying for exams. If they studied people who were working 4 nights a week for example while trying to study - what effect would that have on their IQ?
 
Obviously having a high IQ is usually an advantage in life - that in no way counters the assertion that it is not an accurate measure of intelligence. The critique of the test is that people with the 'cultural capital' are likely to do well in it. The same applies in life in life. That just goes to show that the test is just as meritocratic as life itself - i.e. not very.
 
spudgun said:
Obviously having a high IQ is usually an advantage in life - that in no way counters the assertion that it is not an accurate measure of intelligence. The critique of the test is that people with the 'cultural capital' are likely to do well in it. The same applies in life in life. That just goes to show that the test is just as meritocratic as life itself - i.e. not very.
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How does having the 'cultural capital' help one to solve puzzles more proficiently than someone with less of it? Also, how do you explain that people from working class backgrounds who are adopted by middle class people only gain marginal amounts of IQ points compared to their peers if it isn't broadly a measure of inate intelligence? Or that brainscans are starting to show there is a strong correlation between scoring well on an IQ test and having a larger prefrontal cortex?
 
The theory is that the skills tested in IQ tests are not necessarily innate. Therefore people with the benefit of a middle class upbringing are likely to do better in them. That's the argument - I'm not sure to what degree I agree with it.
 
What about personality, motivation, creativity, entrepreneurialism, energy, attitude, communication and physical ability etc. Unfortunately these aspects of the human condition are not measured in an IQ test but are nevertheless important (crucial) factors in what we do and achieve in life, in employment and otherwise.

No mater how high the IQ, a person could not be a surgeon with shaky hands or no arms at all, or no motivation, or compassion....and so on.



The methodology and sampling of research like this irks me. Surveys for the scare tactic media trash bin.
 
kate said:
What about personality, motivation, creativity, entrepreneurialism, energy, attitude, communication and physical ability etc. Unfortunately these aspects of the human condition are not measured in an IQ test but are nevertheless important (crucial) factors in what we do and achieve in life, in employment and otherwise.

Not mater how high the IQ, a person could not be a surgeon with shaky hands or no arms at all, or no motivation, or compassion....and so on.



The methodology and sampling of research like this irks me. Surveys for the scare tactic media trash bin.
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I think it's good research that corroborates everything I have seen in my life when it comes to teenagers being regular users of drugs. Whether you agree with IQ or not, teenagers should not be weekly users of any drugs whatsoever, and it without doubt damages their brains and stunts their potential. Whenever I speak to teenagers about drugs, which granted isn't too often, I always say to them you can take as many drugs as you like. Just wait until you're 18, you haven't even lived 20% of your life yet...
 
spudgun said:
The theory is that the skills tested in IQ tests are not necessarily innate. Therefore people with the benefit of a middle class upbringing are likely to do better in them. That's the argument - I'm not sure to what degree I agree with it.
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What is it about being middle class that helps me to know that the answer to this question:

1. Which number should come next in this series?

25,24,22,19,15

A. 4
B. 5
C. 10
D. 14

is 10?

Or that this diagram folds into:

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A...?
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
Whenever I speak to teenagers about drugs[......., ]I always say to them you can take as many drugs as you like. Just wait until you're 18, you haven't even lived 20% of your life yet...
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Bet you get a kick in the cunt for being a patronising twat.

I agree that teenagers shouldn't use drugs. Fuck knows how to work that one though.

1. Which number should come next in this series?

25,24,22,19,15
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twelfty?
 
Mailmonkey said:
Bet you get a kick in the cunt for being a patronising twat.

I agree that teenagers shouldn't use drugs. Fuck knows how to work that one though.
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There's nothing patronising about giving advice to the younger members of my family, or younger members of my friends families. I think giving realistic advice is very helpful, and much better than their parents don't do drugs at all ever schtick. I really don't see what the hurry is when you've got 50 years of getting fucked up, and being a teenager is pretty sweet without the droogz as it is.
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
I think it's good research that corroborates everything I have seen in my life when it comes to teenagers being regular users of drugs. Whether you agree with IQ or not, teenagers should not be weekly users of any drugs whatsoever, and it without doubt damages their brains and stunts their potential. Whenever I speak to teenagers about drugs, which granted isn't too often, I always say to them you can take as many drugs as you like. Just wait until you're 18, you haven't even lived 20% of your life yet...
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Are you not just 24 years old?

I'm 46 and would not make a sweeping statement like that. I know nothing.
 
Mr Smokes Blunts. said:
What is it about being middle class that helps me to know that the answer to this question:

1. Which number should come next in this series?

25,24,22,19,15

A. 4
B. 5
C. 10
D. 14

is 10?

Or that this diagram folds into:

1.gif


A...?
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Practice?
 
kate said:
Are you not just 24 years old?

I'm 46 and would not make a sweeping statement like that. I know nothing.
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To be fair kate, you didn't grow up or go to school in an age where 10-20% of your year group got stoned before school, during lunch, and after school every day, did you? SHM has already made it perfectly clear that phenomenon only really started in the 80s and 90s. That's before we get into THC content. All in all i've seen a fair few people from identical societal backgrounds, with identical intelligence at age 11, go right down the shitter because they became daily users of weed. Even when i'm 46 I don't think I will have seen many more children ruin their potential or dumb themselves down than I have now, because I simply don't interact with teenagers much any more.

spudgun said:
Practice?
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What, you think in a middle class household the parents sit their children down to do IQ tests or something? Practice has been shown to increase IQ by a maximum of 5 points any way.
 
spudgun said:
Not practising IQ tests, but the skills they measure.
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Yeah but adoption studies where children are taken from lower IQ households and placed in higher IQ households only marginally raises the childs IQ... So all those origami classes can't be paying off that much can they ;)
 
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