Opioids time in between IV'ing opiates for same high as 1st shot.

[boomhs]

hi, im an occasional who right now as got some dilaudid on his hands. my question is how long one should wait after shooting a dose to shoot again with the same rush and effect?

right now my testing as been a bad experience, even after waiting some hours the 2nd shot gives a weak rush and plus makes me feel somehow disoriented and weird in a bad way, like my blood pressure dropped alot, when i go to bed i feel really bad like i'm gonna die in my sleep. but the 1st shot of the day is always great

regards

saw this thread: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/414078-Time-in-between-shots-of-heroin

not sure how much dilaudid differentiates from heroin tho... and the weird feelings i get after 2nd or more shots scare me, i'm almost sure the product is clean and not tempered with so it's weird.

 

[Coraline]

You have to be patient and wait for people to respond to your post.

The thread you looked up is a good starting place.

I don't IV drugs so I really can not give you an answer. But I do know you should wait at least a few hrs between doses.

There is a fine line between feeling good and oding. Especially if you are opiate naive or a beginner. Even people who use drugs for a long time OD because they think their body can handle it.

You can always do small shots. Once you put it in your body you can not take it out. Be careful and watch your hr and blood pressure.

 

[boomhs]

ok thx Zoeylynn

i'd also like to know if possible how long dilaudid stays in your bloodstream

 

[whereitat]

I IVed dilaudid for about the last 2 and a half months...to me its alot different than any other IV opiate I have done. I was IVing 4mg in pill form ( I am assuming u have pills and not IV liquid dilaudid). It seems to wear off very quickly with me but I was IVing every 3-4 hours and it felt the same every time until I built up a tolerance with it. Its a pretty strong opiate so be careful and start low in dose if you havent already started messing with it. One other thing I noticed is after I found my good dose for my desired rush effect, it didnt make much of a difference with how much more I did with each shot. I got the same rush whether I did 4mg or 8mg and even on one occasion which I really dont recommend anyone ever doing...I did 20mg and again no different. So it was pretty much like wasting it to me. However remember everyone is different so keep that in mind. I had a picc line when I was doing this btw, not sure how much different that is other than it hits u really quick compared to smaller vessels.

 

[rld73]

I was about to start a thread when I found this one..

I have been on opiates for about 4 years now because of a couple bad discs in my back and 2 failed surgeries (Laminectomy and a Discectomy) in my back. I had never IV'd a drug until yesterday when my PM doc switched me from 30mg Oxycodone 4x a day to 8mg and 4mg Dilaudid 4x a day. I tried to eat and snort the pills and nothing (barely kept me out of W/D's)

At first I tried 1 4mg IV twice about 3 hours apart and nothing.. not even a small rush.. Then I did a 8mg pill late last night and it gave me a short rush and kept me awake almost all night. This afternoon after work I did another 8mg pill and it gave me a short rush.. but nothing else.

Is this just the way Dilaudid is or is my tolerance too high for 8mg? I am kinda scared to go to 16.. do you guys think I would be safe to try 12 and see if that works? (Of course I will wait several hours before I try it again)

BTW.. sorry to hijack your thread (OP).. but I didn't want to start a new thread with almost the same question being asked on the first page eh.

 

[boomhs]

I IVed dilaudid for about the last 2 and a half months...to me its alot different than any other IV opiate I have done. I was IVing 4mg in pill form ( I am assuming u have pills and not IV liquid dilaudid). It seems to wear off very quickly with me but I was IVing every 3-4 hours and it felt the same every time until I built up a tolerance with it. Its a pretty strong opiate so be careful and start low in dose if you havent already started messing with it. One other thing I noticed is after I found my good dose for my desired rush effect, it didnt make much of a difference with how much more I did with each shot. I got the same rush whether I did 4mg or 8mg and even on one occasion which I really dont recommend anyone ever doing...I did 20mg and again no different. So it was pretty much like wasting it to me. However remember everyone is different so keep that in mind. I had a picc line when I was doing this btw, not sure how much different that is other than it hits u really quick compared to smaller vessels.

i have 12mg capsules which is the same, i know the right method (crush beads add water crush again). yeah i take around 4-5mg per shot also.
i do take alot of prescribed meds for depression and sleep: anafranil, diazepam, seroquel, depakine chrono. might this be the cause of my weird feelings when i shoot more than once even waiting 5 hours? maybe i'm even doing something dangerous... need help here.

rld73 i think your problem is really the huge tolerance you have. i know i guy who started taking this and in little time was doing around 20mg to keep W/D off and get a little high. from what i've read oxy is better than dilaudid in half life and tolerance building.

 

[rld73]

i have 12mg capsules which is the same, i know the right method (crush beads add water crush again). yeah i take around 4-5mg per shot also.
i do take alot of prescribed meds for depression and sleep: anafranil, diazepam, seroquel, depakine chrono. might this be the cause of my weird feelings when i shoot more than once even waiting 5 hours? maybe i'm even doing something dangerous... need help here.

rld73 i think your problem is really the huge tolerance you have. i know i guy who started taking this and in little time was doing around 20mg to keep W/D off and get a little high. from what i've read oxy is better than dilaudid in half life and tolerance building.

Yea the doc wanted me off the Oxys because the pharmacies are having a hard time getting them.. He said that the 30 mg Oxys might even be headed towards not being available at all. He told me to take 12mg at a time orally because he knows I have a huge tolerance. I also take 100 mg MS Contin 3x a day. so I am thinking that I just need to do a bigger dose.

Usually just staying pain free and out of W/D's is good enough for me.. but I do like to have a little fun every now and then

 

[rld73]

So the full 12 mg IV'd 4x a day?? That sounds like I would build a tolerance way too fast.

I was thinking about IV'ing 12mg once a week or so just to get a little rush/nod after a long week or whatever. I will say.. eating 12mg does keep me out of withdrawals and seems to do ok on the pain.. just don't get the buzz I used to get from eating a couple 30mg oxy's with my MS contin.

 

[boomhs]

i do take alot of prescribed meds for depression and sleep: anafranil, diazepam, seroquel, depakine chrono. might this be the cause of my weird feelings when i shoot more than once even waiting 5 hours? maybe i'm even doing something dangerous... need help here.

really need an answer on this...

 

[Coraline]

really need an answer on this...

If you feel weird and are worried that something is wrong, listen to your body.

Your body is telling you the answer. Just listen.

 

[tricomb]

You really are fucking yourself over by shooting your hydromorphone. It's dangerous in and of itself, even moreso because you take "tons of antidepressants and sleep medication" which can prove fatal by added CNS depression.

Never mix your opioid pain medication with other CNS depressants such as alcohol, benzodiazepines, certain antidepressants and sedatives.

If you're going to inject the medication anyways even though it's a bad idea, any "benefits" of the ROA (100% bioavailability, instant onset, etc) will fade extremely rapidly and then you'll just be two steps behind where you started. Hydromorphone IV'd is all rush and no legs, no rush is worth the needle IMO, speaking as a former IV user.

 

[Coraline]

^ I totally agree. Listen to Tricomb. He knows what he is talking about.

 

[boomhs]

You really are fucking yourself over by shooting your hydromorphone. It's dangerous in and of itself, even moreso because you take "tons of antidepressants and sleep medication" which can prove fatal by added CNS depression.

Never mix your opioid pain medication with other CNS depressants such as alcohol, benzodiazepines, certain antidepressants and sedatives.

If you're going to inject the medication anyways even though it's a bad idea, any "benefits" of the ROA (100% bioavailability, instant onset, etc) will fade extremely rapidly and then you'll just be two steps behind where you started. Hydromorphone IV'd is all rush and no legs, no rush is worth the needle IMO, speaking as a former IV user.

thanks. i'm planning to try coke and heroin, i can cut benzos when i take it, is anafranil not good to mix with this?

i've snorted coke before on these meds and was good no probs. i want to IV it now tho.

 

[tentram]

you'll never find that same place you end up after your first hit of the day, no matter how hard you try. you'd be shooting for the rush yeah? well, thing is, it only gets significantly less and less unless you give yourself enough time to sober up completely.

weird feelings, can you elaborate on that? that's kinda concerning. is it respiratory depression, laboured breathing, sedation, feelings of losing consciousness, etc? if so you're verging on overdosing and you need to back off.

 

[SethTheBest]

When you mix dillaudid a common way to not get all the opiate from it is not stirring enough. You should stir the pill in water for at least 5 minutes giving it time to get into the water. If this does not work, doing 12 should be fine, even doing 16 maybe. Though first try mixing it for long time. But really you shouldnt have to do 16 I have an extremely high tolerance for opiates. Been doing heroin for 4 years... I can do an 8mg dillaudid and get a little out of it, if I do 16 it doesnt change much. Really once you hit a certain tolerance even injecting dillaudid looses its greatness. Though when I started using, I started doing dillaudid and it was amazing.

If you want a sure way of getting a good amount of the opiate out of the pill quickly. Try this method, put water in your spoon and bring it to a boil, quickly throw in the powder of your pill and take the flame off, stir a few times with your needle and all the powder will be gone into the liquid. Suck this up and your good to go.

Let me know if you have any questions.

 

[Coraline]

ok thx Zoeylynn

i'd also like to know if possible how long dilaudid stays in your bloodstream

IV diludid half life in your system about 2.5 hrs. That means this is how long it takes for half of the drug to be eliminated from your body. Hydration and kidney status plays a big role in elimination. So if you have kidney problems it will be in your system longer.

 

[-Guido-]

and the weird feelings i get after 2nd or more shots scare me, i'm almost sure the product is clean and not tempered with so it's weird.

It's probably respiratory depression. Your hear rate and breathing are slow, you feel like you might die if you fall asleep.

It happened to me a few times after using Hydromorphone a few times in a few hours. The stuff cause crazy respiratory depression.

 

[Sepher]

You're not gonna get the same intensity from subsequent hits as you got from the first. Assuming you've no opiates in your system from previous use all your receptors are available to that first hit as it floods your system so you're gonna feel full effects as it latches on. When you do a later hit a lot of those receptors will still be occupied so it's not firing off so many and you're inevitably gonna get diminshed effects from that. Even upping dose to try and compensate ain't likely to help all that much. Dangerous to do that anyways, pushing the dose trying to chase that first rush. Easily into OD territory.

 

[boomhs]

thx to all for the help :]

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

You know what, i'm in kind of the same predicament as the OP, or maybe even worse, as the only place i can IV is in my hand veins, and I IV dilaudid. Right now my source is dry so I'm CWE'ing codeine from 222's and T1's. Yesterday I gulped 220mg of codeine or so and I was more floored by that, for at least 3-4 hours too than any dilaudid shot in months. Fuck dilaudid, it's only good IV'd and even then it lasts so shortly it is not worth the scars on my hands or worth anything in fact. Of course I don't expect codeine to work everyday like it did yesterday but i'm using it to ween myself off of opiate and not going back to dilaudid. If i can't find anything worth it orally or snorted then I will learn to live life without opiates.