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I can debate -- DXM

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That DXM is just as bad as herion meth and estacy. I agrue this because it has been the only drug that makes me not care anymore. I know I have problems but It's never turned on me and it's just as nasty as shooting up meth or H. So I'm going to go with my gut feeling that in moderation it can be used and have wonderful effects.
 
I've been taking 90-120mg dxm XR daily for the last 2 months, and 60-75mg dxm XR daily for the couple of months before that, to control opiate, benzo, and dexedrine tolerance.

Are you saying that you think it is worse than H, meth, and E? Or that you can argue against the fact that it's worse than those drugs?

I haven't felt any significant side effects, but I notice that I feel a bit more apathetic than usual, just a tiny bit numb (does DXM cause flat affect like SSRI's?), and just calmer, more euphoric, introspective, and more relaxed in social situations and more patient with people in general.
 
No I was just saying in my past post ppl would say how dirty it was. So I said meth H and chemicals are just as bad and maybe even worse. I didn't want to change my mind on getting high on DXM.
 
Yeah, it's quite a dirty drug in terms of how many receptors it acts upon. I am wondering if it has any significant activity on serotonin modulation, or if its SRI effects are weak. Its NRI effects are definitely prominent, but not too bad at that dosage.

Meth and H are definitely worse in terms of life damage. Heroin might be "better" for you, since opiates are relatively nonneurotoxic as long as you're not passing out and oxygen depriving your brain. But, Meth is extremely neurotoxic at recreational dosages, and can actually permanently destroy the way your DA receptors and mesolimbic reward pathways work. How can your natural brain's endorphins (relatively weak) and endogenous dopamine/other NT's compare to the sheer power of the NT activity caused by meth or heroin?

Having said that, abusing DXM at 650mg+ is really bad for you compared to a single, responsible meth or heroin usage, so I see where you're going with this.
 
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Yea, I'm going to have to go ahead and say I'm pretty confused here...
DXM is just as bad as herion meth and estacy. I agrue this because it has been the only drug that makes me not care anymore
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Not caring anymore, is that a good thing or a bad thing? Is that what makes a drug harmful?
. I know I have problems but It's never turned on me and it's just as nasty as shooting up meth or H.
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So you have problems (like all of us :)) but what do you mean it's never turned on you? You refer to it as if it's a person.
No I was just saying in my past post ppl would say how dirty it was. So I said meth H and chemicals are just as bad and maybe even worse.
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Yea... I'm going to have to go ahead and say that most people (probably 99.99%) think that methamphetamine, heroin, and other chemicals are worse for you than a pharmaceutical grade dissociative.


So... Where I really get confused:

You state in the beginning that:
I can debate That DXM is just as bad as herion meth and estacy
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then you defend the use and talk about how meth and H are worse...

I would say that DXM is much safer for you physically. I can say that with a firm conviction. That being said, DXM is a powerful chemical that should not be treated lightly, at all. It can fry your mind if you let it. To compare drugs in order to make you feel better about taking one is a form of bargaining with yourself. Can I ask you why you posted this? Is it because some people you know are questioning your DXM use.
 
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I went thru a XTT meth psychosis in 05 and in was brought on by using to much meth. I use this drug to just escape like smoking weed. I will never touch meth or X again. But What I meant by the drug turning on you is that it draws out the psychosis I had in 05.
 
DXM is a dirty drug, man. It will always be a dirty drug. Because there's no totally clean form of it. Whereas H. You can suckle on a poppy, if you're fortunate enough to know people with opium. Opium is fucking amazing. DXM. And I love DXM. DXM is fucking garbage.... No. I'm supposed to say that. No. DXM is amazing. But it's dirty. It's like fucking a dirty whore without protection. DXM, man, DXM be fucking some shit up for realz so you better lay down the nasty mother fucking whore rank size crank shit and be like you know it's a blow stash up in here. For real?
 
I think of all drugs, DXM is one of the least you can "trust" not to turn on you. I've heard so many trip disasters from that drug. If you can trust any... weed, maybe. If you want an honest opinion, the fact that E and Meth brought out a psychosis in you might be the result of the drug, as they are both amphetamines and you could have had some sort of amphetamine psychosis. However, I feel like there is something else to this... Perhaps even that you maybe (I'm just saying, complete hypothetical) prone to drug induced psychosis. Have you ever had any other drug "turn on you?" Also, what kinda dosing with DXM are we talking about here? You taking enough to trip every other day, or once every 6 months?
 
DXM is DXM... it is what it is.


In terms of harm potential I would peg it above the SSRI/SNRI drugs but below the super hardcore stimulants. Probably around the same risk level as ketamine or LSD - i.e. you should prepare for the experience and buckle your ass in or you might get sick...

If you don't like it don't use it. Not every drug has to be a great experience everytime.
 
WHAT i'M TRYING TO SAY IS THAT i HAD A BIG EPISODE ON METH. aND THATS SOME DIRTY CRAP. i KNOW PPL WHO SHOOT H AND THE VEINS ARE BLACK. ALL i'M SAYING IS THIS DRUG dxm IS JUST AS DANGEROUS AS ANOTHER DRUG.
 
they say dxm lowers intelligence. i suppose the only negative side effect i can attribute to dxm is i have horrible short term memory after a huge dose i took when i was teen. I think it's this that ruined my memory, other than the memory problems it caused i dont believe it's anywhere near as dirty as heroin/meth/ecstasy. it doesnt cause downregulation in neuro-receptor sites, it doesn't ruin your life, it isn't highly addictive, it doesnt kill brain cells in the same way -> heroin will slow your brain cells so far that they'll implode and possibly cause a "cascade of death" in your brain and meth will speed up your neurons to a point of 1000 reuptakes per second and will surely make most of the neurons in your limbic system die off from the same "cascade of death". without a limbic system to create dopamine you are gonna have troubles with any sort of motivation, memory, mood regulation, even paying attention will be hard being that you need dopamine for your frontal lobe to work properly. meth is surely worse than heroin and heroin is worse than ecstasy and way down on the list is where i'd place dxm, just above lsd (because it's non-toxic) and marijuana (because of the toxicity, potention psychosis in my case, and mildness of the drug)

on another note i've never had a 'bad trip' on dxm, even when i overdosed i was still having a good trip, and i was just calmly waiting for the purging to end. i found that i could even confront my most painful of memories and not freak the fuck out on unlike when on say... lsd.

i'd say that it's hard to overdose on dxm. you aren't going to die from it, just be smart don't do it every single fucking day like a dumbass. if you do any drug every day - whether it be dxm, alchohol, lsd, marijuana or whatever, there is going be serious consequences. in recreation and in smart doses it's hardly more dangerous than a fuckin black widow, you'll only see one every now and then and if you're careful you wont get bit.
 
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Bullshit. DXM potentially ruins lives and it potentially doesn't, just like H. And it is addictive. As for the question of toxicity... they have done more research on H. DXM is dirty.
 
^ sorry i didnt mean to descriminate on H, i've never tried it so i suppose i'm not one to argue about how the high feels. i was just looking at the potential harm to the brain that would be caused. how is dxm "dirty"(in what aspect)? the high feels very... "clean" to me but i guess what i would consider as dirty (a meth high) and what you would consider a dirty high are completely different
 
I'm just going to go ahead and say that dirty is probably one the worst words to use when trying to objectively assess a drugs harm. If you want to talk about DXM in a more poetic sense, then I can see a reason to use the word dirty.

Anyways, back to the original post... I was looking at your profile Sonicwhite and I found this:
In 03 I would do it like every other weekend. Now I do it like everyday.
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(http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/637031-DXM-addiction)
I think if this is the case, then yes... DXM use is very, very dirty indeed. If that's not a typo, and you do mean '03 that would be 9 years of steady DXM use, with probably heavy dosage on the latter half. Either way, any use of any substance at the doses and frequencies you're talking about is going to cause damage, one way or another. To debate which is worse doesn't really have a point. The amount of DXM you're talking about taking is going to have profound health implications. These implications will be different from H, which will be different from Meth. Yet it all comes down to the fact that we're talking about health implications from addictive dosing. Where am I going with this.... oh yea... meth, E, H, DXM, whatever, you take it everyday, it's going to fuck you up.

I'm not sure if that makes it dirty or not though...
 
In 03 I would do it off and on then I stopped. Until 2012. And I have been using it heavy. So There was never a 9 yr stretch where I used this drug. But, I still dangerous that and how I'm using it now.
 
Opiates: Opioid Receptors
Cannabis: Cannabinoid Receptors
DXM: ???

The drug has a relatively "complex" relationship with the brain, from what I understand; if complex is a more preferable word, go with that. When I say that it is dirty, what I mean is: the way in which it interacts with the human brain is "dirty". Although I enjoy DXM, I don't believe it is "meant" for human consumption. I can feel the damage it does to me. Of all the drugs I've done in my life, I'm convinced that DXM has caused the most damage. LSD is basically harmless. Psilocybin is worse. Ecstasy is worse then psilocybin. Speed is worse than ecstasy. DXM is worse than speed. The cognitive after effects of prolonged DXM use are substantially greater than any other drug. If you take H every day, you'll be fine. If you eat weed every day, you'll be fine. If you take LSD every day, you'll be fine. The same cannot be said for DXM. I am afraid of consuming it more than once a week, though sometimes I do, because I know how much damage it does to me. Regardless of whether studies have definitively proved it. Just like how people noticed the correlation between smoking and death, before the term cancer was invented. The amount of damage DXM does to me, it is hard to justify using it at all.

I don't believe that heroin is particularly neurotoxic. And, yes, DXM feels dirty as fuck. It has a lot of physical side-effects. The body load is substantial. It makes your thoughts erratic and unorganized. Heroin is clean and clear. Heroin is, in my opinion, one of the cleanest drugs there is. To the uninitiated, a nodding junky might look like confused or even disoriented. Not so. The mindset is totally pure. Alcohol is dirty. DXM is dirty. Heroin is clean. Certain drugs have developed a symbiosis with humans, due to continual use throughout history. The natural drugs. The ones we are "meant" to consume.

All this research chemical shit, it's dangerous territory. Although DXM has existed recreationally for some decades, it is too "new", for me to consider it remotely safe. The only drugs I feel comfortable consuming, and guilt-free, are those that have been used traditionally throughout history. I believe natural opiates and natural psychedelics exist primarily to be consumed by animals. The drugs are designed for us by God.

No offence to Shulgin, but he ain't God. Maybe they'll get to the point eventually where drugs can be tailor made with minimal risk, but - currently - we're basically just experimenting. And the drug users. The people who take 2CB and DOI and DXM. They're guinea pigs. They're volunteers. They are test subjects... and the results, of said tests, are pending.
 
Dextromethorphan (dxm) is a semisynthetic opiate in the morphinian class, so a pretty standard opioid actually... one with very odd properties. DXM is not a phenethylamine like 2C-B, Mescaline, Amphetamine, MDMA, etc. DXM has a long pharmacological history
 
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