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Big & Dandy 5-IAI Thread (Part 2)

^LOL! Yeah...

@Jamshyd: Among my workmates Chinese chemical companies, in particular synthesis-on-demand-companies, didn't have the best reputation before (not talking about drugs though...). But the current development on the RC-market and the attention it receives in the public media ruins completely what was left from their record. Chinese are more and more disregarded as unreliable liars, not able to provide pure and authentic samples, resp. only after heavy complaining. I'm convinced that there may be exceptions, but who is willing to ever order again in China? (btw, the world's second largest economical power since 2009)


Peace! - Murphy
 
Jamshyd said:
Most well said.

And hey, the simple fact that the supplier is Chinese is enough to set all kinds of alarms and whistles in my head (enough so that I wouldn't even bother).
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I got numerous totally legit and pure RC chems from Chinese manufacturers... of course this was like 9 years ago. Eventually there was a mysterious disappearance (no love letter or claim of seizure in the tracking) that the stubbornly stingy and suspicious vendor took a full 6 months (and after threats of dragging their name through the internet mud) for them to reship, which I got, and which was real.

Of course that was a then well known supplier who several people on boards who I knew well and trusted had used (who have since stopped selling to individuals).

Always gotta be super extremely cautious and get LOTS of corroborating advice before dealing over there.

I don't anymore, due to being soured by that experience, and by the ridiculously high prices and "freight charges."

Anyway, I dont see how by any stretch of the definition mention of a "Chinese" vendor can possibly in any way be considered "advertising", that is IMO a totally hysterical and asinine accusation. Do you know how big "China" is? Gee, HUGE, I guess. Do you know how many "RC suppliers" there are there? Hundreds and hundreds. It's like accusing him of "advertising" for saying he got the chem from a vendor "On EARTH", for cryin' out loud. Sheesh.
 
Good nuance. But shit, it would be nice to get a report of someone who actually knows whether they ingested this substance.

ebola
 
im gonna do an allergy test of a mg tghen do the whole 100mg it came in like a red chinese card it was quite neat
 
Just ordered 1 gram of 5-IAI from an extremely reliable vendor from EARTH! We'll see how this stuff works out.

I've skimmed through the thread, but as far as i can see no-one has speculated threshold, light, common, and heavy doses of the substance from their experience. Any insight to that?

Also, what's the overall duration (without re-dosing)? I'm assuming it's not "more-ish" considering other members posting the highs longevity, however i still would like a ballpark estimate of how long it lasts.
 
Expect 500+mg to get decent effects... if 5-IAI at any level ever becomes "decent".

I have been in communication with a vendor who has real 5-IAI and he is selling it at cost because it is a total disappointment, like all of the other indane ring compounds have been.
 
Got some from a vendor who I think said he had it tested.

For me 75mg was threshold. 120mg gave a nice moderate UP. I had lots of energy, was very talkative and "think"-ative, and fatigue was banished for 5-6 hours. So like a dose of amphetamine basically... nothing to write home about but useful for what it was.

No negatives to report, but then again 120 is probably a highly "reasonable" dose level.
 
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i had to log in and locate this thread just to post this.

I just tried some of this from a very very reliable vendor. I decided to start with 50 mg as info on dosage and effects and experience on this chem are sketchy at best.

I started with 1 line, got about half way thru with it and started having the burning from hell.

No ordinary burning, this literally surpasses even the second most painful thing by a full x2. OMG how i wish i did not do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DONT CARE IF THIS WAS 20 TIMES BETTER THAN MDMA I WOULD STILL NOT BE ABLE TO ENJOY A ROLL OF THAT CALIBER WITH THIS EXRUTIATING PAIN!!!! It feels as if there is a heart beating inside of my nose, my left corresponding eye went completely bloodshot within seconds and it wont stop tearing. I cant stop sneezing and blowing mucus, my nose hurts so bad definately caused permanent damage, no doubt about it. I have racked pretty much anything u can name and this takes the cake by a landslide.

I will chime back in as far as unbiased effects if any are noted, but I just wanted to post this info because I saw that dosage can be taken nasally and I hope I can save someone the literal pain I am receiving right now, it literally hurts so fucking bad my eye wont stop tearing and my nostril is numb, and not in the good coke like sense, more of in the "fucking fried off the nerve endings in acid" numbness
 
David the Chansey said:
Sorry for the bump, but what is the deal with 5-IAI these days?
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*bow de bow bow bow, pop* /end Seinfeld theme

To this date I've yet to see a legit NMR for this substance. I still don't think it ever was truly synthed well. I had two different 5-IAI samples and they were completely different in effects and smelled like cathinone. I haven't seen a vendor offer this chem in a long time either.
 
JBrandon said:
To this date I've yet to see a legit NMR for this substance. I still don't think it ever was truly synthed well. I had two different 5-IAI samples and they were completely different in effects and smelled like cathinone. I haven't seen a vendor offer this chem in a long time either.
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My most reliable vendor doesn't offer this chem either, and they're the only one I really trust. I'm not giving hope for it just yet though!
 
a very reliable vendor once planned to stock 5-IAI, but then decided against it, because it turned out to be almost inactive. they sold me a sample very cheap, because they just wanted to get rid of it, but I never bothered to test it. since this vendor is really thrustworthy, I think that the probability is high that this is in fact the compound in question.
 
The REAL 5-IAI is legit

David the Chansey said:
It just looked so good on paper...
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Ok this is my first post on bluelight. I even created an account just so I could make a comment on this thread. I seriously do not understand why there are so many negative reviews on 5-IAI. It is very possible that most people were receiving the wrong substance. I used to get it back in the day from a very reliable source and let me tell you that the effects were amazing. Granted, in order to really feel the effects fully you must take a dosage upwards of .5 grams. However, I remember the first time I took it, I took around .3 grams. I did not feel anything for a few hours but later noticed quite a mood lift, colors became brighter, and a bit of empathy. But the next time I took it I must have taken around .6 - .7 grams. This time it blew my socks off. It only took around an hour to start to kick in that time. The first thing I remember is that I started sweating profusely; it was a hot summer day, but still. I then remember how everything just became so intense. I had never taken pure MDMA before that, although I have now, but the effects I got I assumed were very close to how MDMA feels.

The peak: I was riding a train at that point and just remember everything becoming so intense. It was a very difficult feeling to describe. Its like the train became an amusement park ride. All of a sudden I was in a fantasy world where everything looked and felt brand new. I felt amazing at this point. Simply taking a breath of fresh air felt amazing.

Overall effects compared to MDMA: I think that the simplest way to explain the effects of REAL 5-IAI is to compare them to MDMA. Now I have tried 6-APB thinking that it would come close to MDMA but it failed miserably. I think 5-IAI comes much closer. I still prefer MDMA but I have to say that 5-IAI is a great substitute because it FEELS just as good as MDMA. Meaning that the way MDMA heightens all your senses is what 5-IAI does too. There is also a very strong euphoria. This drug definitely enhances tactile sensations similar to MDMA. Also the feeling of being totally relaxed yet extremely amped up is a characteristic of 5-IAI as well, which I really enjoy. It makes you feel like a child looking at the world as if it were new, just like MDMA. One of the main difference between MDMA and 5-IAI is that 5-IAI is a bit more trippy, especially in higher doses. I once took upwards of 1 gram of 5-IAI and was on the train again at the time. When I was at my peak every noise in the train was multiplied 10 fold and it sounded like people were screaming in my ear. The train was pretty full with rowdy people but still it amplified noise to an extreme at that point. I did not freak out but it was alarming. Another main difference is that 5-IAI makes you feel more "me" oriented. While there is empathy it just seems like a different kind of empathy. Instead of the "loved up" feeling of MDMA where you feel extremely close to everyone, with 5-IAI you feel more like the world is your playground. You still lose all your inhibitions with 5-IAI and care nothing about what people think but you are still in control like you would be sober. MDMA might temporarily change your personality, like making you into a nice more caring person. 5-IAI on the other hand is more likely to multiply your personality. Meaning that if you are normally self-centered and cocky it is likely to make you more-so. However if you are a nice, easy-going, friendly person, then it would also make you more-so as well. Another difference is that on 5-IAI you can think more clearly. It is easier to focus on complex tasks, such as math, but with MDMA this can be very difficult. However is high doses, around 1.5 grams, 5-IAI will definitely make your head spin. At 1.5 grams 5-IAI was like a full-on psychedelic with crazy visuals but at the same time a full on entactogen. So it would be impossible to have a bad trip unless you OD'ed of course. Also I think it is easier to act normal on 5-IAI than on MDMA. You feel smarter on 5-IAI, with MDMA you just feel ecstatic. It's hard to explain the difference in words but 5-IAI is definitely a legit entactogen. There are times when I prefer 5-IAI. Overall, of all the RCs I have tried, 5-IAI comes closest to matching the intensity of the effects and also the pure euphoria of MDMA.

Warning: I have overdosed on this drug and ended up in the hospital with heart palpitations, extremely high heart rate and blood pressure. This was when I mixed 5-IAI (on the comedown) with Benzedrex inhalers. I'd say a safe dose is around 1 gram. You could possibly go higher but I would not recomment going much higher. I am not sure what dose would be considered an overdose. However, DO NOT mix this chemical with other chemicals, especially uppers. It would not really add anything to the experience anyways.
 
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dude. you mention pure 5-IAI, but at the same time, your doses seem somehwat huge! i mean for me, anything above 2-300mg is a big dose of anything. heck, if im not mistaken, even k is active at that level orally. but thats beside the point.
also to note, the prices that 5-iai had when it was briefly around were not permissive to such large doses... i mean, who would pay more for a rc that is less interesting than mdma when once might have the real thing for less.

and lets not forget, if this chem was indeed active and worthy, im pretty sure someone somewhere would be stoking it, regardless of price, as it would probably be legal in most places...
 
I would not say that it is less interesting than MDMA. It is just a bit different. Like I said it matches the euphoria of MDMA. There are people stoking 6-APB as an MDMA substitute but I don't even think it is that good at all. I seriously have no clue why there aren't any people stoking it. There were very few vendors selling it though. I think that the people giving it bad reviews got something else and then anyone who researched 5-IAI on the internet did not bother to get it after that. I never said it was pure but it definitely was real. Also, if you were to get it from a good source then it would be cheaper than MDMA per dose, or around the same price. And that is the dosage I had so it is what it is.

I'm just reporting my experience on 5-IAI. It is very difficult to find so it's not like I'm trying to advertise 5-IAI so people buy it. There is no reason for me to lie about my experience. I know others that have used it and they have said that it was awesome so it is not just me.

Never mind. That thing about 5-Iai was a one time thing. Now days I don't even know what it was if it was eveen 5-IAI. Do not follow my dosages at all. Its not the same.
 
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I've only read the last few pages of this thread, but 5-IAI is looking dubious.

Is this a fair assessment? I've found vendor & would like to simply ignore it, but am not entirely convinced I should.
 
Why not ignore a compound that almost entirely fails to demonstrate effects worth the negatives, effects that cannot easily be duplicated with other widely - and even just as legally - available compounds.
That is modeled after the neurotoxic compound PIA.
And that has a record of unconfirmed availability from a type of sources that typically has no problem with shipping other random psychoactives instead?

also:

To the best of our knowledge, this is the first article in the literature summarizing the clinical, pharmacological and toxicological information currently available about 5-IAI. Despite being marketed as research chemical and labelled as “not for human consumption”, this substance is used by club drug users as MDMA or mephedrone substitute. In vitro and animal model studies have demonstrated that 5-IAI acts as both a non-vesicular monoamines releaser, and a monoamines uptake inhibitor. It is considered less potent and neurotoxic than MDMA, however, pharmacological and toxicological studies have not assessed many parameters that are essential for determining its neurotoxicity in human.
First, the studies have not completely investigated the activity of 5-IAI on dopaminergic, serotonergic, and noradrenergic systems. Second, no study has investigated its pharmacokinetic properties in vivo. Third, there is no information about the effects of this substance in combination with other recreational drugs. Fourth, no study has investigated the effects of 5-IAI on oxidative system, neuroinflammation, apoptosis, and glutamatergic transmission.
Several data have evidenced that oxidative system, neuroinflammation, apoptosis, and glutamatergic transmission play a key role in the neurotoxicity induced by amphetamine derivatives [24-35]. In addition, the legal status of this substance and the presence of studies showing its low serotonergic neurotoxicity could be wrongly considered by users as a guarantee of safety and could encourage people to experience the substance. Finally, considering that 5-IAI is principally sold via-internet, there is a high risk of a rapid spread of this product among drug users.
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Coppola and Mondola, J Addict Res Ther 2012, 3:4
http://dx.doi.org/10.4172/2155-6105.1000133
 
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