UK - Russell Brand urges move away from methadone clinics to treat addicts

So yeah... methadone saved my life, eh? Without it, I'm certain I'd be six feet under right now. I've tried Russell Brand's brilliant abstinence based "recovery schemes" and I have to say first and foremost that Brand must have been dropped on his head one too many times if he somehow believes a heroin habit can be treated with abstinence. Wasn't this guy a hardcore IV smacker? Shame on you, Brand, you should know better. Your abstinence approach reminds me of me forcibly having to kick the habit because I was locked up. Every day, every hour, I spent craving a fix, weeks after the acute physical withdrawal subsided. I went back to using the two days after I was let go. This cycle repeated itself too many times for me to remember, until I started MMT.
 
being on methadone is a long ways away from being 'sober' or absitenent...it may seem like you are sober when you are on methadone maintenance but you quickly realize how strong the methadone is affecting you when you kick it completely...i never felt comfortable calling myself clean when on maintenance...in the end it doesnt matter though, im for whatever works, harm reduction..
 
Sure absitnence is a great way to beat drug addiction, if you just happen to have a fucking fortune lying around. I'm sure those days where he gets a craving are equally as hard to handle for him, as they are for the guy whos been slaving 10 hours a day in some shitty factory just to make ends meet.

Wait no it isn't, i'd quit drugs too if everytime I got a craving I could just fucking fly off to some lovely tropical paradise, or whatever.

srsly - fuck russell brand


Exactly, it is rubbish that you have to be wealthy or be on a long waiting list to be referred to different kinds of treatment. I don't really like the guy, but agree that more people should have the option of other treatments. Wouldn't it be good if the NHS provided a drug to taper with as well as some kind of drug counselling/ rehabilitation program? I hate how the NHS doctor in the program said that some people don't have the support or intelligence to benefit anything from it.
Obviously going cold turkey will not suit everyone, but how about giving people different options? What about using both techniques? (And not just a methadone prescription + once a week shitty textbook cognitive behavioural therapy, something more.)
 
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being on methadone is a long ways away from being 'sober' or absitenent...it may seem like you are sober when you are on methadone maintenance but you quickly realize how strong the methadone is affecting you when you kick it completely...i never felt comfortable calling myself clean when on maintenance...in the end it doesnt matter though, im for whatever works, harm reduction..

I definitely wouldn't consider myself completely sober while on methadone maintenance. I view it as a tool; an imperfect, yet important part of my life at the moment. I feel it's been keeping me on the straight and narrow. And it's been doing a better job of it than anything else I've tried (such as abstinence).

I've had my share of side effects I detest (profuse sweating, weight gain, hypogonadism and dry mouth being the biggest issues). It has changed my personality. At times, I find myself numb or apathetic - not unlike the effect from the SSRIs I was once on but not as potent. Not to the point where I can't show any emotion. As a result of the hypogonadism, I'm on hormone (testosterone) replacement therapy, which also has it's share of side effects.

However, I'm happy to say it has done for me what I was hoping for (something I could never do while sober, no matter how hard I tried), which was to eliminate the obsessive compulsive drug seeking behavior that filled each and every day for the past few years (previous to starting the program).

Since I haven't felt the need to use for some time now, I've been able to focus on picking up the pieces of my pathetic but cautiously optimistic life. Collection agencies aren't calling me anymore and this time it's not because I changed my number again.

Truth be told however, I'm scared shitless of coming off completely. I'm afraid of how it's gonna be like not having a full mu-opioid agonist saturating my receptors daily for years. I keep on thinking of the segment in Shawshank Redemption where Brooks is finally let go after serving - what was it - 40 years (?) in the pen and how things changed so much on the outside he couldn't handle it and hung himself. Liquid handcuffs as it's known seems very appropriate in this case.
 
^^exactly, when i was on methadone maintenance, i found my personality was very apathetic all around...at times it was very bad but i was living in the 'fuzzy cloud' that opiates provide and i liked it....then as time wore on i noticed my energy levels were low and the sweating and i hated dealing with the clinic..yep, the nagging fear that i would have to get off some day kind of plagued me as well..thankfully my clinic force detoxed me and i admit, methadone withdrawal sucks..its not as intense as heroin withdrawal but it lasts much longer..i remember weeks/months of feeling like crap when i got off..i was like 'how long is this going to last?'...my highest dose was only 80 mgs so i really feel for those that are on 100 mgs or higher..
 
Yea I remember one time going into the clinic on a Friday - but it was a holiday - and somehow they had misplaced my 250mg daily prescription for Friday, Sat, Sun. Since it was a holiday, they couldn't reach my doctor to let him know so I was losing it thinking that I'm gonna be dry until Monday, possibly Tuesday. That was easily the most horrendous experience I've had there. I've lost count a long time ago how many times I've had to kick the habit, but the thought that I'd be in withdrawal from 250mg of methadone daily was enough for me to snap. I told them after about 3 hours of waiting - out of fear and frustration - that I wasn't leaving without dosing, that I was going to break down the door if I had to and drink whatever methadone I could find (edit - and take some for momma). That's how determined I was to not have to go through WD at that amount. It felt like a life and death situation (probably amplified by the fact I was having a panic attack because they were closing in 30 minutes and it looked like I'd be kicked out without dosing).
 
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How did that work out? Specifically, how was your heart coping with the WD + amp?

Oh I didn't mean during the acute withdrawal. If you've kicked long-acting opiates before and you're anything like me, you'll know that the hardest part comes after the acute stage. When the fever has subsided and you're finally sleeping 4+ hours again, a depression so deep comes over you that you don't know how you'll live this way. All-encompassing apathy and anhedonia. This is when my psychiatrist prescribed me amphetamine (Adderall IR 15 mg twice daily). It worked very well. I felt as if possessed by a deity.

So then, after over a year of methadone, I did the amphetamine thing for 2+ years, and stopped taking amp last year, and have been substance free since (I mean, with the exception of fucking around with ecstasy or coke or dope on odd weekends).
 
Oh I didn't mean during the acute withdrawal. If you've kicked long-acting opiates before and you're anything like me, you'll know that the hardest part comes after the acute stage. When the fever has subsided and you're finally sleeping 4+ hours again, a depression so deep comes over you that you don't know how you'll live this way. All-encompassing apathy and anhedonia. This is when my psychiatrist prescribed me amphetamine (Adderall IR 15 mg twice daily). It worked very well. I felt as if possessed by a deity.

So then, after over a year of methadone, I did the amphetamine thing for 2+ years, and stopped taking amp last year, and have been substance free since (I mean, with the exception of fucking around with ecstasy or coke or dope on odd weekends).

Yeah ive come off oxycodone, morphine, hydromorphone and fentanyl and once the acute withdrawals where over the deep depression hit. It literally became difficult to get out of bed to even take a piss. I took some dextroamphetamine to get me through it along with a fuck load of caffeine and i felt more or less fine and dandy. Until the crash that was :( . I cannot use amphetamines in moderation at all it seems so it just ends up fucking me up way more.
 
Here's an excellent rebuttal to Russell Brand:

How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Methadone
Maia Szalavitz
The Fix
August 19th, 2012

British comedian Russell Brand has a bit of 12-step recovery under his belt—and so, like a lot of people who fit that description, he fancies himself an expert on addiction. In fact, he’s so sure he knows his stuff that he’s taken it upon himself to tell the British government what treatment method is best: abstinence-only—and no maintenance, please! Conveniently, this is right in line with a recent push by the UK’s Conservative government for an abstinence-focused recovery agenda.

Brand elaborated on his position while discussing a documentary about his addiction that’s set to air this month on the BBC, telling The Guardian, “Without abstinence-based recovery, I’m a highly defective individual, prone to self-centeredness, self-pity and self-destructive, grandiose behavior. But if I seek the company and fellowship of other addicts and alcoholics … then, one day at a time, I have a chance of living free from this disease.” As for maintenance, he sniffs, “We might as well let people carry on taking drugs if they’re going to be on methadone. Obviously it’s painful to abstain, but at least it’s hope-based.”

I understand Brand’s position well. When I first quit heroin and cocaine, I shared it. In 1992, I even wrote an op-ed for Newsday, declaring that people on methadone were as far from recovery as active heroin users. It was like replacing vodka with gin, I wrote elsewhere at the time.

But I soon learned that not only is this perspective wrong, it can be deadly. And why shouldn't it be? After all, simply having an addiction and recovering from it no more makes Brand—or me—an expert on the topic than being treated for a brain tumor makes him a neurosurgeon.

Here’s how I learned a tiny bit of humility and began to develop some actual expertise. In the early 1990s, I began conducting research for a book on the addict’s perspective on drug policy. As part of that work, I interviewed dozens of recovering and active addicts, trying to include the widest possible range of experiences. I also read lots of addiction-research literature and joined a supposedly “academic and scholarly” listserv about topics related to addiction—which, as it turned out, included some of the country’s leading addiction experts, plus a number of 12-steppers. What happened, as anyone who’s ever commented on a Fix article can surely relate to, was that the list rapidly turned into a battle royal over whether the “truths” taught in recovery programs were supported by data.

Read the full story here.

I love this quote: "Type 2 diabetics who have conquered their disease through diet and exercise don’t go around calling those whose disease is more resistant “defective,” nor do they demand that insulin be pulled from the market or used only for limited periods of time in order to force those weaklings to recover more naturally. If they did, no one would listen."
 
"a depression so deep comes over you that you dont know how you'll live this way"

yep i definitely remember this nasty phase after kicking opiates..after u get thru the nasty insomnia and physical withdrawals, then comes this long period where you are so down and drained of energy..u have absolutely no motivation..i remember barely having enough motivation to surf the net in this phase..it was inbearable but small doses of ephedrine and exercise helped me get thru it..this 'zombie' period lasted months for me, truly awful...i was basically a zombie at that time..and yes, the ephedrine amnd caffeine made me more moody and down after the crash but i needed the energy it gave me...to this day my energly levels still seem to be lower than they should be..
 
I guess I was lucky (in a way) in relation to the depression aspect of opiate withdrawal.

I've been on Wellbutrin XL longer than I've been abusing opiates. Was started on it because I got really depressed after abusing stimulants (mainly meth) and felt I had no energy, motivation, etc. I was in a constant state of a severe stimulant crash after going on a week long bender (on top of years of tweaking, skiing and rolling) and I was considering suicide. Worked fairly well - however in comparison to the other Rx antidepressants I was started on (SSRIs, SNRIs, TCAs), the difference was profound. Goes to show you how different we all are. Almost everyone I've spoken with hate - with a passion - being on Wellbutrin (whether it's IR, SR or XL) and it's the only one which has worked for me.

Well, I never stopped taking it (going on 7 years now) during withdrawal, which is why I'm postulating I never really experienced the depression. However, I did observe that I would be very easily of agitated, irritated, nervous and anxious. At times, I come to believe that I could have had a seizure during the acute opiate withdrawal phase (with all the involuntary limb jerking I was exhibiting, with the increased blood pressure and heart rate, amplified by a drug known to cause seizures in the conditions are right). Glad I had an endless supply of Xanax.
 
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