The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread-10th Dose-Addiction? But I'm only on it 24/7...

[etasu]

Can someone tell me about combining MXE with LSD/acid? I am only finding a few reports on erowid.

 

[klondike_bar]

mxe, mdma, and amt mixed nicely to result in a very connected, mellow, loungy night that went till 5am. no hangover experienced.

amt was low dose, mdma was light/moderate dose, and mxe was bumped about 4 times with 10-20mg each over a 4-5hr period

 

[DubNaut]

dj madd is one of many great producers in that sound :D
truly is the music for dissociation

Has anyone reached the m-hole whilst dosed with benzos?
I'd think not because of our basic use of stopping psychedelic effects but to me benzo and dissociation can go hand in hand.

 

[Tweak Thizz]

Combo's

has anyone mixed this with 5 MEO DALT? im wondering if it will make it more visual?

and Ethylphenidate? i know stims are usually a bad mix, but was wondering if anyone had tried it?

regards alcohol and MXE, ive noticed some people say this is a bad mix, others say its ok, from my experience, as long as the alcohol is a low dose, ie one or two drinks, not drunk..its ok...but too much alcohol is not nice

I mixed it with Ethylphenidate before. i think i overdid it tho. I ended up throwing up. Gave me a bit of anxiety too.

 

[J.Wallace]

Is it possible to purify poor quality batches to yield a higher quality product? All I've had lately is a product that results in a more stimulated experience, as oppose to the beautiful dissociative experience I use to have when the product was of much higher quality.

I use to receive a very nice fluffy white product. It took about 20 - 25 minutes to take a nice effect, and it lasted a perfect 4 to 5 hours. It was a deep, detached, almost confusing type of trip. It had beautiful liquid type visuals, and no matter how much you took you would always feel okay. Nowadays, all I receive is a body buzz with a stimulated high, lasting a good 6 to 8 hours depending on my dosage. Usually I have to take 125 - 175mg to really start to M-hole. It could very well be tolerance, I've been doing it often since March, but I take breaks now and again. I haven't done any in almost 3 full weeks.

 

[Asante]

I just emerged from Hole M and I took this with me. Those seeking will wonder, those in the know will ponder.


METHOXETAMINE MYSTERY


Take it under your tongue
Let it rest before going inside.
Saliva builds, anticipation rises
intentions affirmed with a gulp.

Anima of aminoethyl
Prince of phenyl
King of ketone
Matriarch of the methoxy.

What must we lose when consciousness
of this world gracefully yields to Beyond?
Doubt, our fears, anticipation
open your mind for what's to come.

Descend, downward, downward
detach the old, embrace the new.
A candle holds the Soul of God
an Angel dancing in the flame.

Descending, descending, ever downward
your life dances in your mind.
Down we go, like flying, like dying
Tonight we're going Home.

It comes! It comes! The Darkness deepens
expands behind your eyelids closed.
Reality strobes between Here and There
its vibration makes it so.

The head, it coils and stretches
the heavy hat is worn with pride.
Do not fear the Dark Embrace
Fear is the only Demon here.

Caves and caverns, cloth and wood
your conciousness folds and bends.
Your senses sense the unearthly
Divinity speaks through your higher self

Methoxetamine Mystery, ever unfolding
the secrets of Life and Death revealed
The sweetest seduction, slightest incentive
Plain and open in front of your mind.

You open your eyes and the Worlds are strobing
sizes and shape and motion impaired.
The universe filled with love and music
strange noises beyond your ear.

Embraced by a bubble of a reality
so strange to the waking, yet in its way true.
In a dream dreamed between the dimensions
Different rules apply.

Will you call to me, when its time to descend?
Will you help me emerge and get back on my feet?
Will you stay with me all of my lifetime?
Will you stay with me, as long as I need?

This one's for the Mighty
The solemnly Majestic
The mystically Mysterious
The Methoxetamine.

 

[steingalkrs]

I mixed it with Ethylphenidate before. i think i overdid it tho. I ended up throwing up. Gave me a bit of anxiety too.

I found 20mg MXE and 50mg Ethylphenidate being a nice euphoric state of reality, however it doesnt last to long so you tend to redose and before you know it after some hours your MXE load is from 20, 40, 60, 80+. Be careful with Ethylphenidate as it has strange effects on other compunds, I had some scary results with using 4- and 5- compounds after - which increase their potency by several times with strange effects not earlier experienced. Seems to me Ethylphenidate should be used with care!

 

[twelvesevndi]

Is it possible to purify poor quality batches to yield a higher quality product? All I've had lately is a product that results in a more stimulated experience, as oppose to the beautiful dissociative experience I use to have when the product was of much higher quality.

i'm very interested to hear if something like this could be accomplished at home.

However, J Wallace, I promise you no amount of cleaning can get you what you want. You have an absurd tolerance at this point due to your daily use of high doses.
Believe me man. I was using 20 - 30 mg 3 or 4 times a week for about a year and that was enough to get me a hefty tolerance. As you say, it is mostly a stimulant experience now.
and i know for a fact that it is tolerance because i have been saving my batches. i have 4 samples obtained between august of last year and may of this year. the gear is still good.
I remember Ket heads commenting in earlier MXE threads about K tolerance (specifically for the dissociative aspect), and I think it is safe to say it is the same for MXE: tolerance builds very slowly (it creeps up on you til one day you realize how different the effects are), and it takes FOR FUCKING EVER to go back down. I saw no change in tolerance after a month's abstinence. Those Ket heads were saying a year or more of complete abstinence is required to reset tolerance.

the stuff still works great mixed with psychedelics for me. so i'm just trying to keep my MXE usage to 10 - 20 mg, no more than twice a month and see how that works out.
i will be tying a little up the bum this friday tho . never tried that before, and I finish comprehensive exams on friday so i think i deserve a little drug abuse.

can anyone comment on plugging mxe? is it really twice as potent and half the duration?

 

[J.Wallace]

i'm very interested to hear if something like this could be accomplished at home.

However, J Wallace, I promise you no amount of cleaning can get you what you want. You have an absurd tolerance at this point due to your daily use of high doses.
Believe me man. I was using 20 - 30 mg 3 or 4 times a week for about a year and that was enough to get me a hefty tolerance. As you say, it is mostly a stimulant experience now.

Normally I'd agree with you, as I do very high amounts when I use. A 'bump' for me is 60 to 75mg, and a normal dose in a day is about 200mg total. However, friends who have tested several batches I have received all say the same thing. The very first batch I received was a deep white, very fluffy. Now, it's almost sand-like, and it even sticks to the insides of the vial I receive it in. And I know they can't have an issue with tolerance, because I never give them any except when they are with me and want to test a new batch.

 

[twelvesevndi]

Normally I'd agree with you, as I do very high amounts when I use. A 'bump' for me is 60 to 75mg, and a normal dose in a day is about 200mg total. However, friends who have tested several batches I have received all say the same thing. The very first batch I received was a deep white, very fluffy. Now, it's almost sand-like, and it even sticks to the insides of the vial I receive it in. And I know they can't have an issue with tolerance, because I never give them any except when they are with me and want to test a new batch.

yes that sounds awful, i don't doubt you about the quality and never did.

don't want an argument but think what you are saying: how do you know they have no tolerance? there is no evidence one way or the other and there are no studies about the development of tolerance to this drug from which you could generalize.

i think you're missing my point tho. you need to put it away for a long long time if you want to get the "old" effects back.
even if you were to somehow purify to 99.99999% you still are going to get a really stimmy manic experience out of the stuff. The tolerance for the stimulating aspects does not develop nearly as rapidly as tolerance for the dissociation. So if you are taking 200 mg to get the dissociation 100 mg used to give you, you aren't getting the same experience because now you're twice as stimulated for that amount of dissociation.

I guess you already know this and don't care? I was just hoping I could give you a reason to lay off for a while. It's none of my business of course but some of the posts you put in here are truly heartbreaking mate.

fwiw, i got some bunk yellow granules in Oct 2011 and the effects were, as you say, much more stimulating than dissociating. I am still not sure if it was really MXE at all...

 

[J.Wallace]

yes that sounds awful, i don't doubt you about the quality and never did.

don't want an argument but think what you are saying: how do you know they have no tolerance? there is no evidence one way or the other and there are no studies about the development of tolerance to this drug from which you could generalize.

i think you're missing my point tho. you need to put it away for a long long time if you want to get the "old" effects back.
even if you were to somehow purify to 99.99999% you still are going to get a really stimmy manic experience out of the stuff. The tolerance for the stimulating aspects does not develop nearly as rapidly as tolerance for the dissociation. So if you are taking 200 mg to get the dissociation 100 mg used to give you, you aren't getting the same experience because now you're twice as stimulated for that amount of dissociation.

I guess you already know this and don't care? I was just hoping I could give you a reason to lay off for a while. It's none of my business of course but some of the posts you put in here are truly heartbreaking mate.

fwiw, i got some bunk yellow granules in Oct 2011 and the effects were, as you say, much more stimulating than dissociating. I am still not sure if it was really MXE at all...

No, you are absolutely right. Tolerance is a major issue with this compound.

I took 17 days off, figuring I'd try and clear my system for a little while. During that time, I did about 200 - 250mg of Ketamine in one 24 hour period, and that's it. Despite this, I just took about 75mg of MXE from an old batch I've received and it feels exactly the same as 17 days ago.

How does one go about lowering their dissociative tolerance? I've read it takes months, and that sometimes people never receive the same effect they once got. I'd really like to regain the magic, but it's also going to be difficult for me to abstain from using dissociatives for a long period of time.

 

[psood0nym]

^I've read tolerance reactions vary a lot between individuals, so there's no way to say anything for sure about you. Based on what people have said about MXE tolerance in this the first big and dandy thread it doesn't seem to be as severe as ketamine tolerance (where many find themselves more or less permanently tolerant). I remember reading some posts that said taking a few weeks off was sufficient to notice a difference, but without knowing their usage level and duration of use and being able to compare it to yours there's really no way to guess any further whether that even might be relevant to your situation. I don't think there is any other way than abstaining to lower dissociative tolerance. If there was a faster sure fire way I'd think that information would be easy to come across on a site like this after being on here for years ...

There is ibogaine, but I've no idea whether that works for NMDA antagonists or whether it even really works for opiates in any definitive way:

If a return to drug use is anticipated post-ibogaine, it is imperative the client does not restart at the dosage level they were using prior to treatment. Ibogaine “resets” many brain functions relating to drug usage and to return to heavy usage could easily result in overdosing, and possibly death. ...

Animal studies have revealed ibogaine to be active at many receptor sites associated with drug dependence and its treatment. These include the kappa and mu opiate receptors, serotonin receptors, dopamine receptors, sigma receptors and the NMDA ion channel. Being active at so many sites, ibogaine does not lend itself to easy scientific evaluation, and it is thus likely to be years before scientists develop a good understanding of just how the drug works.

Source
A heavy ibogaine experience is not something to just jump into, though. It's killed people at "intended" doses, and I'm not sure whether taking really low doses are thought to work for the purported "resetting" effects. Using low doses for NMDA antagonist tolerance seems like a crap shoot.

 

[etasu]

can anyone comment on plugging mxe? is it really twice as potent and half the duration?

This is potentially true. It certainly seems this way but my memories could be playing tricks on me. I do know for sure that plugging will work much faster. I start to feel the effects between 5-10 minutes.

 

[steingalkrs]

Here is a crazy though, or should I say food for though. When sliding into an m-hole, ever though about the consept of quantum tunneling?

 

[down508]

I'm curious to try this, I used to be heavy into k on and off. used to buy a half gram and have to cook it into 2 seperate 1 ml syringes and shoot one after the other as fast as I could. This was rediculously reckless, my buddy used to I.V. quarter grams while driving. So needless to say I have experience with k in the past, but it has been over a year since I've touched the stuff. I'm curious if this stuff is decent I.V.? or I.M.? what is a good dose for I.V.? from reading this thread I'm staring to get pretty interested in this one, and I figure it's only a matter of months before it gets banned. thoughts?

oh yeah, and I'm not saying that the way I used to do k was ok. It was not at all and I put my own life as well as the lives of others at risk. Looking back all I can do is be thankful that no one got hurt and resolve to never let myself get like that again.

I am not looking to abuse the stuff, I am more interested in having a nice laid back evening watching trippy movies. I remember one of the best experiences I've had on Ketamine was in my buddys bedroom, laying on his bed, watching The Hurt Locker. anyone who want's to experience something unlike anything else, do a medium dose of k and pop on The Hurt Locker. Thank me later

 

[Euphoric Status]

Here is a crazy though, or should I say food for though. When sliding into an m-hole, ever though about the consept of quantum tunneling?

No, because when I'm in a M-hole, I'm in one.

Can someone please tell me:

What's up with M holes? Why do people seem to love them so much? From the times I've M holed, I don't remember a thing and it just seems like I would enter and leave life randomly.

 

[whataboutheforests]

I reset my tolerance pretty well after a 2 month break from near daily use. Felt that magic MXE feeling from only like 30 mg nasally yesterday. Although I just did 20 mg orally and I have to say I don't know why I even keep putting MXE up my nose. Oral is the way to go

Also this track is perfect for MXE/M-holes ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-C79pgkhdY

"just imagine you're weightless...in the middle of the ocean..."

 

[steingalkrs]

What's up with M holes? Why do people seem to love them so much? From the times I've M holed, I don't remember a thing and it just seems like I would enter and leave life randomly.

I do agree that there seems to me something with the m-holes that resembles lucid dreaming, that you forget about them when waking up. I have though about writing some notes for my own remembering to have on the table, "Did you m-hole?" so that I can write them down. I know that I suddenly the otherday while almost slipping into one remembered alot of earlier holes - but I agree it's like a dream in there which is hard to remember. Though inside very nice.

For lucid dreaming the way to remember all is usually having pen and paper avaibale as soon as you are "able" to write down, write down everything you might remember and you will make your memories stick in the longer run.

 

[THCified]

This is potentially true. It certainly seems this way but my memories could be playing tricks on me. I do know for sure that plugging will work much faster. I start to feel the effects between 5-10 minutes.

Hell yeah, plugging this stuff works extremely fast. Did some small sublingual initial dose some weeks ago, followed by another big(ger) plugged dose approx. 30 mins later which almost instantly hit me. There was just enough time left to put the syringe aside. I was like hit by a train, because it came on so frickin' fast!

 

[pazuzu]

i'm very interested to hear if something like this could be accomplished at home.

can anyone comment on plugging mxe? is it really twice as potent and half the duration?

Plugging is a qualitatively different experience, compared to oral and snorted. You generally only need half the dosage, and in my experience, the total duration is the same as oral.

However, the experience is divided into two halves. After about fifteen minutes, you will start peaking and you will stay at that plateau for about another hour or two, depending on dosing strategy. Staggered doses can really stretch this out, possibly indefinitely. I once went 24 hours in this state. That was a bit of a funny day.

After this plateau recedes, the trip changes into the stimulant phase. This phase usually lasts me about 8 hours. I usually spend this time reflecting on life, stretching (which is absolutely wonderful on MXE), and just watching the world go by. It sort of reminds me of a low dose of LSD.

A benzo can usually kill off the second half of the trip and result in a full nights sleep.

Personally, I think plugging is the best way to do this. I've only plugged, snorted, IV'd, and eaten this stuff.