jones-in_J
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No shit. But i was asking of what people's personal experiences were with hiw much dosing it took before w/ds kicked in, how bad they were and what they consisted of.
The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread-10th Dose-Addiction? But I'm only on it 24/7...
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No shit. But i was asking of what people's personal experiences were with hiw much dosing it took before w/ds kicked in, how bad they were and what they consisted of.
I've posted in this thread several times about my heavy usage. I calculated the other night, judging from the vials I have left over, that I've gone through about 17 or 18 grams to myself since March. Nowadays, I can easily go through a gram in 24 hours.
Side effects? None that are lasting. However, I have noticed a difference in my blood pressure. My veins, particularly in my neck and forehead feel more prominent. Sometimes when I dose, I can feel every "pump" that my blood vessels make.
I've always had low blood pressure, so it's not really a scarey thing for me, however sometimes it gets me a little anxious and I'll take an aspirin to thin my blood, and it helps lower my bp a little.
OK My bad guess I didn't get that and wanted to be smartass again
..? Anyway I want to add though that from my and few friends experiences after ~3months of low to moderate use MXE seems to be physically harmless - I know nothing new.. however 1 guy starts to be really manic and I personally think (he wouldn't admit ofc) that doing MXE made him wanna do also other drugs more (namely stims) - he was always very calm and rational prior to trying mxe and I don't really like watching where it takes him.
Whereas I can say I feel the opposite effect, like many bluelighters, I had so many great opportunities to get insanely high during whole holidays and I almost never did.
I now take mxe 2-3 times a week in small dose - 15-30mg - considering my high bodyweight - for mood lift purpose mainly. When I take it I hardly feel that mxe magic wonderland - its like mxe itself made me wanna get too high on mxe less lol.
So far I feel no tolerance whatsover btw (I had mxe total maybe 30times?)
phatboy303
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Just thought I'd share my own experiences with quitting MXE. Back when it was legal in the UK I was quite into it, probably doing it 2-3 days out of a week with the odd longer session now and then. When they banned it here I stocked up quite heavily hoping to make it last, but having that big stash I couldn't really stop myself dipping into it more often, probably on it 4-5 days out of a week, easily getting through up to half a gram in a day. When I got down to the last couple of grams I started to cut back on it to try making it last a bit longer but ultimately it ran out so I stopped and haven't had any since. I wouldn't really say there was much in the way of withdrawals, bit of tiredness, grumpiness, lack of concentration, the usual really.
MXE is not the first drug I've given up though. I've quit daily habits with ketamine, mephedrone, alcohol, valium and weed (in some cases more than once) over the last 15 years, in comparison MXE seemed really quite easy. This may have been helped by the fact that I was kinda glad to see the back of it since my tolerance was huge and i didn't even enjoy it that much towards the end (a few 3-MeO-PCP sessions probably helped too!). Maybe I've gotten used to the whole giving-up-drugs process, I remember how much harder it was when I was younger and somewhat more naive. If MXE is someone's first serious drug-habit it may be a much bigger thing.
Anyway, I'm not sure how long its been since I stopped, certainly well over a month, but I feel a lot better for it. My day-to-day cognitive abilities are back to how they should be, my general moods are normal (for me at least).
A couple of side-effects I noticed from excessive MXE use: really weird spots around my face, these seemed like my body excreting chemical residue as they certainly weren't bacterial or anything more natural. Heightened allergic reactions to all sorts of things, especially skin contact, I read somewhere about MXE having some sort of effect on histamines, this seems to be the case as a daily antihistamine solved this. Anyway, in both cases everything seems pretty much back to normal although the allergy thing took a few weeks.
I suspect MXE probably stays in the system for a fair old while after its worn off, this probably helps to reduce any significant withdrawals, at least in comparison with short-fast-DRI type drugs like mephedrone or coke.
One thing I've learnt over the years though, is that addiction is a very personal thing. No-one can really tell you exactly how it will affect you, all I can do is tell you how it affected me. But all things considered, I'd have to say that from my own experience MXE is probably one of the easiest habits to quit. Good luck.
MXE is not the first drug I've given up though. I've quit daily habits with ketamine, mephedrone, alcohol, valium and weed (in some cases more than once) over the last 15 years, in comparison MXE seemed really quite easy. This may have been helped by the fact that I was kinda glad to see the back of it since my tolerance was huge and i didn't even enjoy it that much towards the end (a few 3-MeO-PCP sessions probably helped too!). Maybe I've gotten used to the whole giving-up-drugs process, I remember how much harder it was when I was younger and somewhat more naive. If MXE is someone's first serious drug-habit it may be a much bigger thing.
Anyway, I'm not sure how long its been since I stopped, certainly well over a month, but I feel a lot better for it. My day-to-day cognitive abilities are back to how they should be, my general moods are normal (for me at least).
A couple of side-effects I noticed from excessive MXE use: really weird spots around my face, these seemed like my body excreting chemical residue as they certainly weren't bacterial or anything more natural. Heightened allergic reactions to all sorts of things, especially skin contact, I read somewhere about MXE having some sort of effect on histamines, this seems to be the case as a daily antihistamine solved this. Anyway, in both cases everything seems pretty much back to normal although the allergy thing took a few weeks.
I suspect MXE probably stays in the system for a fair old while after its worn off, this probably helps to reduce any significant withdrawals, at least in comparison with short-fast-DRI type drugs like mephedrone or coke.
One thing I've learnt over the years though, is that addiction is a very personal thing. No-one can really tell you exactly how it will affect you, all I can do is tell you how it affected me. But all things considered, I'd have to say that from my own experience MXE is probably one of the easiest habits to quit. Good luck.
Speaking of different roa's, does anyone have positive experiences with dosing orally with a capsule? I don't like leaving it under my tongue, and I want to try and eliminate the crazy manic high that comes with nasal absorption. I figured I'd make 100mg doses and take one or two 30 or 45 minutes apart.
vortech
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Capsules are a good idea, I want to standardize with xx mg per oral dose.
psood0nym
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Lots of people have posted about oral dosing (just do a thread search). It sounds like it's more bioavailable than insufflation and similar to sublingual.
I don't know why there would be large qualitative differences between plugging and insufflating. The only difference I've noticed is that insufflation has a slower onset and has a lot less bioavailability (though it's true a faster onset can make a qualitative difference with many drugs -- usually for the better). I would not trust a single experience with a different ROA to tell me anything. For me there's far too much qualitative variation between experiences using a single ROA to make that kind of judgment. I'd give plugging a few more tries just for the advantage of conserving material by having greater bioavailability.
I don't know why there would be large qualitative differences between plugging and insufflating. The only difference I've noticed is that insufflation has a slower onset and has a lot less bioavailability (though it's true a faster onset can make a qualitative difference with many drugs -- usually for the better). I would not trust a single experience with a different ROA to tell me anything. For me there's far too much qualitative variation between experiences using a single ROA to make that kind of judgment. I'd give plugging a few more tries just for the advantage of conserving material by having greater bioavailability.
vortech
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As it was mentioned earlier, we really need to institutionalize this stuff. Integrate it into society with technology that we are using and recognize its potentials as a broad tool with proper use. A new institution. It's kinda hard to explain, but this compound fosters a strong connection to deep roots that should be acknowledged and encouraged to flourish for the benefit of global society.
psood0nym
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^I think most of us integrate it with the technology of our Volcano vaporizers, plasma screen TVs, and hypertextual interactions on the cyberwebs. Then again we do that with most drugs ... I think your call to action needs a lot of elaboration and more than a feeling that's hard to explain, but I say godspeed if you figure it out.
OPANAMONIUM
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Precisely why I think using capsules with pre-measured doses will be perfect for me. I usually do bumps and eye ball my doses. If I can have doses already measured out, and in a roa that is less manic and more dissociative, I'd be in heaven.
vortech
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Indeed it does need elaboration and it's a can of worms and involves a lot of other cans of worms so to say, and I don't have the answer. Should it be founded as a church, citing spiritual aspects, or should it be found as an independent committee of health and medical professionals citing therapeutic potential? No existing institutional model accommodates this particular can of worms with its unprecedented cross-disciplinary value and breadth of reach. It would be nice if the world could get over all the political boundaries and come together over nascent subjects such as these special compounds and make a level-headed action to collectively facilitate a controlled exploration of the potential benefits of this compound for the common goal of making the world a better place.
psood0nym
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'Revolutionary' legal high law means state regulated drug market
56 percent of Americans Favor Legal Marijuana
Society has more than considered it, and they already know that medically or cognitively functional drugs like pain killers or Adderall can be used recreationally (so if a recreational drug has other uses ...) . Granted, New Zealand is asking manufacturers of the new recreational legal synthetics to pay to prove their new synthetics are "low risk."
Makes me wonder what "low risk" is in a recreational context. It's never been considered legally on a mass scale before. They estimate it'll take $2 million to apply for the "low risk" proving tests (the US's FDA really ought to use NZ accountants [or more realistic estimators]). $2 million ain't gonna prove much, but on the cheap with a shit ton of new liability waiving laws is the only way it'll happen. The manufactures should really just push 4-AcO-DMT, a synthetic that converts to psilocin, which has been studied pretty extensively and shown to be non-toxic. Heh, wonder if they know about that one -- might be a way to slip a good one in without too much cost or time.
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Sounds like the mania has set in
Completely. Mania 101. Hope he had a fun down-time.
I'm about to get hiiiigh. Insufflated about 80 - 100mg? I don't even remember. All I know is I had about 370mg of this bunk ass MXE left. Not the most pure but it'll get ya there with increased doses but c'mon, 80-100mg no tolerance? Should have me floored! I have another small line laid out which I plan to fully partake in and go deep. I might finish off season 2 of The Walking Dead. Might bust out my djembe for a real trip.
cheers y'all
cheers y'all
Lost Ego
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yesterday i wanted to test the drug and see if it was really mxe and not rat poison and so i took a tiny amount - which was probably about 5mg. after about an hour i felt a little bit disoriented and slightly stimulated. this lasted for about an hour, no withdrawal.
eyeballed what probably ended up being around 15mg today. i began playing a video game during the come up. it hit me about 45 mins later and i again felt disoriented and slightly stimulated. 15-30 mins of come up and i felt the disentigration of thoughts. and then came the body load, amazingly similar to dxm. in fact during my whole 1 hour peak i was half convinced it was dxm without the visuals. i talked myself out of it because there was no split vision. it felt exactly like dxm though, no joke, maybe a little bit of a cleaner high and i loved it. i spent the hour in mild euphoria, disorientation, immense body load, mild stimulation and whatever else im forgetting that i'd attribute to dxm(everything minus the dxm visuals and that being sucked into a vortex feeling). i began coming down about 2 hours ago. the robo-walking is finally settling down and i have a mild headache. i have work early tomorrow and i need to sleep and yet i dont feel very tired =/.
my mg scale should come on fri/sat... on saturday ill be trying it for real, maybe a 20mg at the beginning of this beach bonfire thing im going to and then a good 50-60 mg dose when the bonfire gets lit at midnight. i'll be looking forward to feeling the full potential of mxe.
questions: will i be good to drive at about 5am if i dose at 11/12? do you think the sedation will wear off by then? with little tolerance, will 50-60mg be enough to take me all the way? and at higher doses will i feel more music appreciation/get lost in the music like when on dxm? will i be able to be social at all at this dose?
eyeballed what probably ended up being around 15mg today. i began playing a video game during the come up. it hit me about 45 mins later and i again felt disoriented and slightly stimulated. 15-30 mins of come up and i felt the disentigration of thoughts. and then came the body load, amazingly similar to dxm. in fact during my whole 1 hour peak i was half convinced it was dxm without the visuals. i talked myself out of it because there was no split vision. it felt exactly like dxm though, no joke, maybe a little bit of a cleaner high and i loved it. i spent the hour in mild euphoria, disorientation, immense body load, mild stimulation and whatever else im forgetting that i'd attribute to dxm(everything minus the dxm visuals and that being sucked into a vortex feeling). i began coming down about 2 hours ago. the robo-walking is finally settling down and i have a mild headache. i have work early tomorrow and i need to sleep and yet i dont feel very tired =/.
my mg scale should come on fri/sat... on saturday ill be trying it for real, maybe a 20mg at the beginning of this beach bonfire thing im going to and then a good 50-60 mg dose when the bonfire gets lit at midnight. i'll be looking forward to feeling the full potential of mxe.
questions: will i be good to drive at about 5am if i dose at 11/12? do you think the sedation will wear off by then? with little tolerance, will 50-60mg be enough to take me all the way? and at higher doses will i feel more music appreciation/get lost in the music like when on dxm? will i be able to be social at all at this dose?
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do not drive that soon after MXE. 50-60 might take you pretty far if its good. turns into a different beast when the dose is high enough. yeah you should get lost in music, and being sociable at that dose is possible but could be a bit odd
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Driving on 60mgs MXE could be...fatal. At least with no tolerance (which is what i thankfully never had). I don't think i'd be pro-social at that dose. With 10-15 sublingual, yes, but not with 50+.
Btw, nicely said ColtDan, it indeed could be a bit odd.
Btw, nicely said ColtDan, it indeed could be a bit odd.
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