Quick basic Tramadol question

[delphinen]

Hi guys, I have a very high tolerance both to Tramadol and benzodiazepines, how much Tramadol could I take with just 6mg Klonopin (3 2mg pills)?

I was thinking 400mg Tramadol - 2mg Klonopin, 300mg Tramadol - 2mg Klonopin - 200mg Tramadol - 2mg Klonopin
Would this keep me a little more safe from seizures?

I'm asking this because I have lot of Tramadol but I'm low on benzos.
Thanks in advance.

 

[dais]

you should not exceed 400mg/day for tramadol as you're lowering your seizure threshold and heighten your chance of a possible seizure. benzo's do help counteract the seizure side of things but are no solid solution.

 

[HydroCanada]

I take 800mg of tramadol perday and have not experinced any negative effects.. usually 600mg in the morning then another 300 too 500mg in the evening...... but thats just me, mabey I have a high tolerance.

400 mg should be no problem with the 6mg

 

[delphinen]

HydroCanada, I meant 400mg Tramadol - 2mg Klonopin, then 300mg Tramadol - 2mg Klonopin, finally 200mg Tramadol - 2mg Klonopin (again, I have a BIG tolerance to Tramadol)

 

[RobotRipping]

the klonopin might keep you safe but you really should not do this. Can't you find another opiate/ioid? Do you really want an opioid/snri and a benzo addiction at the same time? and hydrocanada u should also find something else, that is crazy, you're lucky you haven't seized. What the fuck are you guys doing, the 400mg/day is the max for a reason, nothing to do with tolerance, you aren't going to become tolerant to the seizure threshold being greatly lowered. Be careful.

 

[Mel22]

I take 800mg of tramadol perday and have not experinced any negative effects.. usually 600mg in the morning then another 300 too 500mg in the evening...... but thats just me, mabey I have a high tolerance.

400 mg should be no problem with the 6mg

Just to note: this is a very high dosage, and very unsafe. You say you haven't experienced any negative effects? Just wait until your first seizure, it'll scare the shit out of you. If you keep going, it will come. Or even more fun: wait until it's time to get off Tram

To the OP: the benzos may help with the seizure risk, but there is still a significant risk. If you keep going with it, then it's only a matter of time. I'm currently going through Tram WDs and I can tell you, it's absolute hell. Get another opiate instead, as there are just too many consequences that come from taking Tramadol in this manner for it to be worth it.

 

[delphinen]

Thanks for the replies guys. I also found 0.5mg Xanax lol.
I like Tramadol because I'm probably a very fast CYP2D6 metabolizer and it gets converted to O-Desmethyltramadol fast, and it feels really really nice and lasts a lot more than Codeine... on the other hand, yes, Codeine feels much natural.
Any idea if Clonidine or Labetalol helps even a little with the seizure threshold?

 

[Swimmingdancer]

We can't tell you how much drugs you "should" take. Can you be more specific about your tolerance to each drug? How much do you normally take when taking them seperately?

If you are going to combine the 2 I would advise starting with 1/3 of your usual dose of each, so if you normally take, say, 300mg tramadol and 6mg klonipin, start with 100mg tramadol and 2mg klonopin, or you could take close to your usual dose of 1 but 1/4 of the other, so in this example one would try 250mg tramadol and 1.5mg klonopin. This may seem very cautious, but opioid/benzo combos are responsible for the majority of serious drug overdoses so it's best to be safe. You can always take more the next time if it wasn't enough.

I am unclear on what you meant by "400mg Tramadol - 2mg Klonopin, 300mg Tramadol - 2mg Klonopin - 200mg Tramadol - 2mg Klonopin"
Do you mean to take that all in one day, spacing them out by a few hours or what?

As others have said, it really isn't good to be taking such high doses of tramadol. Tramadol can increase the risk of seizures in those with a history of seizures/ are predisposed for seizures, or are on another medication that lowers the seizure threshold, and may even induce seizures in those without any prior seizures when taken in high doses. People have also overdosed on tramadol and been given naloxone only to go into convulsions. It also of course creates a terrible dependence.

 

[delphinen]

I am unclear on what you meant by "400mg Tramadol - 2mg Klonopin, 300mg Tramadol - 2mg Klonopin - 200mg Tramadol - 2mg Klonopin"
Do you mean to take that all in one day, spacing them out by a few hours or what?

Exactly. I'm already on my way to that schedule, so far so good. 6mg Klonopin should be enough to prevent seizures from 1g Tramadol right (spaced out in 6 hours)?
And I usually take 1500mg of Tramadol with 10 or 12 mg of Klonopin (I know it's a lot, and I also already had a tonic seizure, but it was because I mixed Tramadol with Codeine, never again)

 

[delphinen]

I just found out this

Magnesium and vitamin B6 both have strong anti-seizure properties and can be effective even when other anti-seizure medications fail

So I just popped 800mg Magnesium and 2 Supradyin pills (vitamin A, B1, B2, B5, B6, B9, B12, C, D3, E, H, PP, Calcium, Phosphorus, Iron, Copper and Zinc)

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Wow, these doses are out of my territory, I have no idea of the safety of taking that much tramadol plus that much klonopin (obviously for someone without your huge tolerance it would be dangerous, but I mean for you). So you normally take 1500mg tramadol at the same time as 10-12mg klonopin? So your question was more would 6mg klonopin be enough to prevent seizures from 900mg tramadol? I'm sorry, I really don't know. I'm sure it's variable. I would really not recommend this but I understand that isn't going to stop you. I guess just try to have someone close by in case anything happens to you?

 

[delphinen]

Thanks for your reply; except some panic attack before going to sleep because I was afraid of having a seizure, nothing happened. I think the Magnesium and Vitamins (B6 in particular) helped a lot, I don't know how fast they work, but an hour after I popped 800mg of Magnesium I felt a little more calm. I am continuing taking these and stopping my Tramadol intake for a couple of days; I'm also getting some Xanax or Lyrica tonight thankfully.

I would also like to state I got impressed yesterday after googling for an hour the lack of things that could help with the seizure threshold, how many things can cause seizures!, Milk, Cheese, fruits, salad chips, etc; basically, any food except meat could help produce seizures! I know this was a extreme case for people with actual epilepsy, but man, I couldn't find anything that could help that wasn't some drug, supplement or vitamin... that's so... wrong.

 

[Jabberwocky]

magnesium bromide is probably what you took - its a mild sedative and mild anticonvulsant too

 

[Anoymator]

Delphinen, during my forum searches for tramadol (it's my drug of choice), I have come across a lot of your posts, I'm kind of surprised you are asking this. Just curious, not trying to have a go at you. I would have thought you would know your best dose?

IME, benzos, especially clonazepam, kills the stimulant high from tramadol and somewhat smoothens the opioid feeling. Tramadol on its own induces a mild stimulant effect in me which I quite enjoy and which clonazepam kills completely (even 0.5 mgs will kill it).

On the other hand, tramadol on its own gives me a jittery opioid feeling after a few hours which is not fully enjoyable as the norepinephrine is still lingering strong (odesmethyl still has NRI properties). In this case, clonazepam kills the jitters and allows me to actually enjoy the opioid high. Extremely easy to fall asleep though.

Is tramadol OTC in Argentina?

 

[Anoymator]

I know anecdotal experience is not he best, but I feel very safe with clonazepam and high doses of tramadol. If I venture into +450mgs, I always take 0.5mgs to 1 mg of clonazepam. This benzo is a champ to help avoid seizures, at 3-6 mgs I would think you'd be safe from seizures but this is just my opinion.

For what is worth, my highest ever dose of tramadol has been 700mgs and I took 1mg of clonazepam with it. I twitch at 400mgs with no clonaz. but at 700mgs + 1 mg clonaz. I felt safe. Seizures can come out of anywhere especially if you are prone to them or if you are triggered (e.g. avoid bright flashing lights while on high doses of tramadol!).

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

Clonazepam will significantly protect against the epileptic potential of Tramadol. Of course this depends on the user's tolerance, but 6mg of Clonazepam is a high dose which will most likely keep one safe. That said, knowing one's own seizure threshold (as in, be aware of signs of seizure in any previous dosing with that medicine) as well as the other stimuli which are most likely to invoke a seizure obviously is a good idea.

I believe I have experienced a seizure. Though not just due to the seizure, I was very scared and thought I was going to die.