Stimulants Adderall HELP

[Tryptamino]

... id assume riddalin

*ritalin

wellbutrin does have an effect on it, as its a SNERI, which will reduce some of the effects, but not many. try rectal admin.

 

[jones-in_J]

*ritalin

wellbutrin does have an effect on it, as its a SNERI, which will reduce some of the effects, but not many. try rectal admin.

A guy with a username like yours woulld correct me on the spelling of a stim lol.

 

[tricomb]

Let's keep discussion on topic, we don't need to correct each others spelling it distracts from the topic at hand. K, Thanks!

 

[Non Nobis Solum]

I was once on a very high dose of oxycodone IR 30mg tablets Rx'ed by the doctor I found, 100mg of oxycodone and 100mg of d-d/l-amphetamine was a canceled out effect. I feel since your longevity of using opioids and opiates has been quite some time that it may have a cancelling out effect for a short while. Seriously though that's the only way I've ever taken that much amps and not felt it before.

 

[Non Nobis Solum]

I might as well chip in my RX's, Klonopin 1mg and Xanax 1mg with 90mg of adderall IR as needed taken with 45mg of Dexedrine spanules. I've been taking amphetamines from the doctor for at least a decade now, I am an adult with serious adhd. I'm also no stranger to opiates or opioids, I banged my left shoulder up badly in the U.S military and got tons of painkillers for it.

 

[waldo777]

To the OP,

I think if u give more details u'll get some more helpful answers... At least imo...so could u pls address the flwing:

-how do you take the 100mg's; all at once, or in 20mg incriments throughout the day, etc...?

-do you take regular old adderall IR, or some other brand/formulation?

-are you on any other psycoactive drugs like benzos, SSRI's, etc..? (I know u stopped the wellbutrin, but r u taking nething else?)

-what are the ffects that you DO feel from the adderral other than irritability? Do you get physical effects like sweating, increased heart rate, insomnia, etc...?

-when u first started taking this stuff after geting off the opiates, did u get the euphoric effects or not, and if u did, what dose did u need to take? Did your tolerance go up or did the euphoria just vanish and so u raised ur doses chasing after that feeling?

-what do you WANT to get out of these stims? Are you just looking to combat the post-opiate w/d lethargy and tiredness? Or are you looking for a non-opiate drug to get you high and euphoric?


IME/IMO, opiates used to give me that upper/buzz effect, that euphoric energy that u said u got from them also. Stims/amphetamine on the other hand used to make me feel non-social, short tempered, anxious, withdrawn, uncomfortable, etc... I only got enjoyment out of them when I took them ontop of a big dose of opiates, but sober I hated them. After a break (detix, sobriety, just didn't like stims, or w/e the reason was) I got euphoria maybe the first couple of times I took stims, but after a few days, the euphoria / novelty wore off and I just got the bad negative effects from em--regardless of dose. So I'd stop, forget why I hated taking them start again, and after a few days, remember and stop again...

Point is, maybe u don't like stims and are just looking to get high off them b/c ur trying to replace ur DOC

 

[allthegoodjwh's]

personally the combination that worked best for me
would be 5-htp and l-tyrosine pre-load everyday untill the day of administration

eat 2-4 "tums" antacids 1-2 hours before administration

administration of amphetamine dose

when i feel as if the peak has passed and am slowly going down hill
administration of dri/nri (usually bupropion or a varation of methylphenidate)
co-administration with an nmda antagonist (usually dxm)
i know there are reactions between dxm and wellbutrin and amphetamine but i usually use a low dose (150-300mg wellbutrin Xl) and (60-80mg Dxm) and havent had any adverse reations yet
but the potential for them still existent so do your research and dont blindly mix chemicals as it can prove to be regularly fatal

the antacids allow more amphetamine to be absorbed by making the stomach more basic
and potentiate the amphetamine

source from wikipedia
"Alkalinization of the urine can decrease the renal elimination of amphetamines, both potentiating the strength and prolonging the mechanism of action, especially when ingested with sodium bicarbonate.[47] There are also users who periodically misuse more than others, often using small amounts (1/2-1 teaspoon) of sodium bicarbonate mixed with water at 2-3 intervals following a single ingestion in order to achieve a longer euphoric effect. This method of administration may lead to a higher risk of intoxication, especially in children, in addition, tolerance and dependence develop rapidly."

if your having tolerance problems co administer a small dose of dxm with the amp
and it tends to either prevent further tolerance and or reverse current tolerance
plus it can help prevent methamphetamine nuerotoxicity (oxidative stress) being an SRI
and the sharp increase in glutamate following both amp/Mamp recreational doses
being an nmda antagonist

also consider a small dose Dri as (cant quote exact source) but ive read in numerous places they can be nueroprotective especially with stimulant use, as well as potentiating the amp and buffering the comedown by allowing DA and NE to hang around in the synapse longer

also id like to know the answers to waldo777s questions as
if you had initial euphoria it would be because of amp tolerance
but if you had no initial euphoria it would be because of most likely down regulated dopamine receptors from opioid use as opioid use (not overdoses and other similar aspects) basically plain semi-safe recreational use of opioids was not proven to be damaging to the brain or nuero-toxic (correct me if im wrong as that would be gross information) ill try to find a source on it but i believe i read it in one or two other discussions here

also adderall has a good percent levoamphetamine which is mainly adrenic with little to any dopamine action this causes adderall to feel more stimulating (more energy, increased heat, irratability/anger problems, jaw-clenching (basically nasty NE release related side effects, besides the more energy but even that starts to suck after a point) than other adhd meds such as dexedrine or vyvance which are dextroamphetamine which is 3.5 times more potent at DA release than NE so it seems cleaner with more euphoria and concentration with less adrenic side effects

also is it adderall XR or IR because if its XR 100mg could not be felt due to
(opioid use downregulation of dopamine receptors) or (tolerance in general) -depending on your answer of euphoria/no euphoria
If its IR than goddamn man thats a heavy ass dose even for someone with a large tolerance
and honestly if its caused by receptor downregulation then id use dopamine supplements like L-tyrosine and give it a month or two before you try again (with an appropiate dose)

if its just from tolerance i would consider choosing a new class of drug because if you cant find recreational euphoria at balls amount of mg than your asking for a heart attack blood pressure problems and an inside out condom DAT if you continue dose escalations of that maginitude


also something to think about maybe the euphoria is there but your used to opioid euphoria which can be several times greater than stimulant euphoria and in fact you are feeling it but your mind is so accustomed to feeling X... amount from mu-opioid agonization
it would appear as if you were having little to no effects when in reality you are

 

[Keweanna]

Well let's see lol I didn't know my tolerance to amps so I started low and kept taking more hoping I would reach something but it never happened , the first time was xr and I took a huge dose between crushing it up and trying to eat it or snort it and had no euphoria Maybe looking at it now I might have been looking for that ah ha moment and never got it but was awake and then at like midnight something kicked in that made me wide awake when I was trying to sleep . Anyways since the first time taking so much I had experimented with every avenue with no such luck , even plugging which I forsure thought would yield something but had no effects. BUT yesterday I took probably 50mg at once with my gabapentin that I take everyday btw and it was ir the little pink ones and had somewhat of a good experience for sure the best by far and was talkative and I guess just the way you are suppose to feel when taking it , In the end I have felt a little of something off every time just not what I want to feel . It's so hard to explain sorry lol , I don't take anything except gab . Maybe I am looking for the euphoria like the opiates because I kept telling myself I wanted for the lethargic no energy crap but then started chasing euphoria that never came , not even once . Forsure taking small doses over time doesn't work even when I take a big dose first. Anyways I'm sorry if this seems all over the place but I'm on my phone and the gab makes me spacey ... Oh and I have stopped everything , the gab and any supplement like ltyrosine and multi vitamins to see if it would work with nothing else and I was wrong . I have probably wasted 100s of mgs of adderall just trying and what a waste , my tolerance for the few times I have tried is at probably 50mg ir . Seems kind of crazy for having zero tolerance a few weeks ago . Again sorry if the post doesn't make sense.

 

[allthegoodjwh's]

i have found low doses of lyrica (basically a more potent version of gabapentin) potentiates amps quite well while a higher dose seems to have a muting effect on them
like i said before if your trying to get opioid high of amphetamines especialy adderall your going to end up with high blood pressure and possible heart attacks among failed resuslts
honestly i would say take them for the prescribed reason or dont take them at all in you case as your chasing the orange dragon is going to get ugly

 

[Tryptamino]

(...long ass post i know, please don't judge me for it, I'm tweaking hard as fuck, and every amp user post text walls from time to time, and theres a plethora of info here that will help you greatly, so i havent wasted any BL space in my mind )

hold on...

after taking some (a lot of) (meth)amphetamines myself, I noticed theres something that hasn't been addressed yet... which usually means that I have to write a long meth rant about the topic at hand:

tolerance to adderall doesnt build to the point where 100mg wont work unless its use is daily and chronic (my dose for adderall after using daily for two years consistently was around 70 at most, and i would be able to feel therapeutic effects from as low as 10mgs, and daily use did create problems like psychotic-like effects, but tolerance never accelerated to higher than 100mg, even now, after having done my share of meth). from what i read, i understand that you only felt it the one time with 30mgs, and all other times have not produced any effects. were you taking wellbutrin when you dosed that first time? this isnt just tolerance at play, even i will feel 100mgs, in fact thats prolly too much, 60mg rectal will get me the effects i want, and i have a HIGH amphetamine/stimulant tolerance. Having said that, there could be many factors to why its effecting yu different, such as body weight (im a skinny guy, so my development of tolerance might be a little slower than most, although i can take more amps than most of my friends who are fairly large in body-type), or metabolism. are you taking any other medications, or any other drugs? DRIs like ritalin or ketamine will fuck up an adderall high, because adderall is a dopamine releaser, while DRIs inhibit it's reuptake, and if combined, they will cancel the dopaminergic effects of both drugs. I learned this the hard way, by mixing focalin with dexedrine. I literally snorted the focalin and could feel the adderall high go away, leaving only an uncomfortable, tweaked out feeling which was not at all pleasant. Adderall also reacts similarly with wellbutrin, although it effects the NE and NA rather than the dopamine, as far as I know, but the "high" is all in the dopamine, so you should be fine, but it's quite possible that wellbutrin has more effect on adderall than what i know.

Now, on the other hand, hypothetically assuming that you're not taking any meds, and you're tolerance really is the issue, I would recommend taking it rectally, with chelated magnesium before, during and after, it will make the effects more pronounced, and also ease out the comedown quite a bit. If you're not comfortable with that, you can either take a gram of baking soda about an hour before dosing the adderall, which will potentiate it and prolong the duration, or you coud take a tolerance break. If you haven't been using it daily for a long time (months) then 2 weeks to a month will bring your tolerance down significantly.

also I wouldnt take adderall to deal with opiate WD fatigue, i tried that once back in my heroin days, and it exacerbated my anxiety, nausea, and insomnia.

although if you're past the WDs then i suppose it's fine, if you can, try to get dexedrine, or better yet, some other, safer, stimulant that will deal with the fatigue but isn't recreational and addictive like adderall. the levo-amp in adderall will create more negative effects, and amphetamines in general might become a problem for you, and if you get addicted to them, i have no doubt that you'll go back to opiates in no time, and then you'll have two addictions instead of one, and i dont think getting off them will be as easy as it was this time so I strongly encourage you to try something that takes care of the fatigue, but doesn't create any other problems: a good non recreational stimulant that handles fatigue exceptionally well is Modafinil or Amodafinil (Nuvigil and Provigil). It's a CNS stim, used for narcolepsy (although In high school I got RXd it for ADD, which it is not particularly helpful for, but I did notice that it got rid of my general tiredness throughout the day that I've always had, and didn't give me any negative side effects) and is not regulated. It has limited (there is some, but for a seasoned stim user, it's very mild and uninteresting) recreational value, has a decent duration of effects, and will keep you from being tired all the time, and their isnt a crash or very negative mental effects like depression or possible psychosis (unless you make the mistake of thinking that dosing higher will fuck you up - it won't. you will just get really anxious and paranoid and generally overstimulated). I also believe, although i might be wrong, that piracetam is a non recreational (mostly) drug that works well as way to stay awake and alert without causing side effects or any addictive potential, so that's another fine, legal option that is also useful for many other things (ADD, potentiating other drugs, in general it's a good thing to take daily, as it is safe and from what I understand it's very good supplement to take regularly) and I'm sure that there are more drugs. Green tea and yerba mate are also great sources of caffeine to keep you from getting to tired/fatigued, and their health benefits are significant, especially yerba mate (which also tastes GREAT! If you choose this option, get it loose leaf and drink it from a gourd, you can get a whole set for 20-30 bucks from the Guayaki brand that comes with the tea, the gourd and the "bombilla" [special filtering straw thing with multiple other purposes] and the caffeine is stronger than with coffee, but more recreational, clean, and less physically uncomfortable than with coffee). I drink it daily, and it not only soothes my stomach, gets me caffeinated and awake, but also IMO seems to give me a very significant mood lift that lasts long after the normal caffeine effects wear off, almost like a playful, energetic calm, which gives me a surge of energy (remember when you used to get hyper off of caffeine as a kid, and then feel like running around being silly? thats the feeling ) that makes me very productive, sociable, happy and even noticeably more polite to people in general. In general, a good tea like green tea or yerba mate beats amphetamines for pretty much any use besides for recreation.

lastly, congratulations on quitting opiates, it's a tough thing to do try to continue abstaining from opiates, your life will be so much better.
i would apologize for tweaking out and spewing out this wall of text, but i think this post was justified in that it was just as long as it needed to be , so no regrets or apologies this time.