UK: Schoolgirl who died of an ecstasy overdose begged friends not to call ambulance

Carl Landrover said:
You type this as if the girl knew what her outcome was going to be
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I mean, it's common sense. Better to receive an ass-whooping than face whatever detrimental health effects could have resulted from that. There's no point in even taking that risk by thinking "maybe I'll be ok". She was foaming at the mouth. If that's not time to call an ambulance then I don't know what the fuck is.
 
scureto1 said:
I like how this pathologist referred to a fatal dose as ranging from "0.18mg to 5.0mg". I assume he meant mg/kg, since that's what the line before was about. But, at my weight, 140 pounds, that would be a dose ranging from: 11.43mg to 317.5mg. I've definitely never taken a dose as low as 11.43mg and have very serious doubts about whether I'd even feel such a dose. But I certainly HAVE taken a 317mg dose before and still had a great time.
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memory tells me you're off by an order of magnitude, but I can't find the specific conversion tables
 
If these were legal substances she would have been abpe to read the acfompanying instructions/warnings... her friends even suggested her not to take it because they didnt know what it was... perhaps if she HAD known what it was and the proper dosage things would be different... im sure she didnt want to die...

Her friends also could have consulted the packaging as soon as a problem arose even if she didnt heed the warnings...
 
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i seriously doubt it was pure MDMA, or even MDMA at all. For all we know it could have been PMA, amphetamines, more likely research chems...Condolences to the girl's family tho.
 
XciteD said:
i seriously doubt it was pure MDMA, or even MDMA at all. For all we know it could have been PMA, amphetamines, more likely research chems...Condolences to the girl's family tho.
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MDMA may not have been what ultimately killed her but the article was pretty clear in stating she did ingest MDMA.

“Westminster Coroner's court heard a post-mortem revealed she had an "extremely high" level of ecstasy in her body of 9.96mg per kg.”
 
23536 said:
memory tells me you're off by an order of magnitude, but I can't find the specific conversion tables
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1 lb = 0.454 kg

140 lbs * 0.454 = 63.56 kg

65.36 kg * 0.18mg/kg = 11.44mg

65.36 kg * 5.0mg/kg = 317.8mg
 
LuGoJ said:
MDMA may not have been what ultimately killed her but the article was pretty clear in stating she did ingest MDMA.

“Westminster Coroner's court heard a post-mortem revealed she had an "extremely high" level of ecstasy in her body of 9.96mg per kg.”
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They stated it was "ecstasy" which can mean it was either MDMA, adulterated MDMA, piperazines, amphetamines, or god knows what. It doesn't neccesarily mean it was actually MDMA at all. Its just ridiculous that they blame it for this, when they still do not know what killed her. it was most likely a combination of drugs and/or overheating and dehydration.

Regardless of what killed her, she was taking drugs in which she wasn't entirely sure what they were. if she would have been more cautious this could have been avoided.
 
scureto1 said:
1 lb = 0.454 kg

140 lbs * 0.454 = 63.56 kg

65.36 kg * 0.18mg/kg = 11.44mg

65.36 kg * 5.0mg/kg = 317.8mg
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You know what, I completely misread the article & your post. Sorry. I was talking about mg per liter of blood, which I think is what he was trying to refer to. MDMA in blood = "0.5-10 mg/L potentially lethal" according to one source.
 
XciteD said:
They stated it was "ecstasy" which can mean it was either MDMA, adulterated MDMA, piperazines, amphetamines, or god knows what. It doesn't neccesarily mean it was actually MDMA at all. Its just ridiculous that they blame it for this, when they still do not know what killed her. it was most likely a combination of drugs and/or overheating and dehydration.

Regardless of what killed her, she was taking drugs in which she wasn't entirely sure what they were. if she would have been more cautious this could have been avoided.
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MDMA alone can kill in very high doses. See:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...-of-MDMA-(ecstasy)-toxicity-from-a-rave-party
 
23536 said:
You know what, I completely misread the article & your post. Sorry. I was talking about mg per liter of blood, which I think is what he was trying to refer to. MDMA in blood = "0.5-10 mg/L potentially lethal" according to one source.
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There's about 5 liters of blood in the body, so those doses would be 2.5mg and 50mg doses, so I think something is off there too. What is the source?
 
Pathologist Dr Peter Wilkins said a fatal dose ranged from between 0.18mg and 5mg.
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He must have meant grams... even if it was mg/kg, many people I know and I have taken well over 10 mg/kg of highly pure MDMA with no ill effects at all.
 
Pink Cherries. There has been some very high dosage pink Cherries (cherry's?) if you search pill reports from back then (in Europe and London), I came up with 4 results for MDMA 'high' with some people saying they got totally nailed by 1 pill.

(edit) Her and her friends apparently had 'pink cherries'.
 
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Reading the comments above, it is amazing to me that we have no accessible, comprehensive body of knowledge about MDMA. Even here, where people are open-minded about drugs and tend to be highly educated, we are not sure of what to make of all this. It is true that it is mostly due to the shitty reporting, but it is also because of lack of the accessible, comprehensive body of knowledge I am talking about. Even BL and Erowid, the best sources available, can't do the hundreds of scientific studies necessary to really learn about these substances. And the gov. is not only shirking its own responsibility, but preventing scientists from doing the work. = one type of social failure.

It is disgusting that we are not educated in such things early on in life.
This is another type of social failure. (Both must be blamed on the gov.)

Fuck trigonometry and precalculus. Spend those hours in High School on something useful.
(And this is someone who enjoyed and aced both of those math classes speaking.)
 
jeez, we are going to have to start teaching kids about shit like this a little differently imo. i do remember times growing up where it was all about catching a buzz some nights but still there's a point where you have to draw the line, also as a kid alcohol by it self is more than enough really.
 
Obviously I can't say much other than (kind of adding to what toad posted) - for those who aren't aware, there's currently (afaik, at least) one batch in circulation that has been tested and found to contain approximately 200mg (+/- roughly 5mg) of mdma per pill in W/NW europe including UK so please be safe. Sorry if that's not enough info - you could check out the designated section of the forums as well as the usual sites for more details.
 
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If it was this pink cherries with ~200mg in each pill, and she consumed two of them (~400mg of MDMA), along with alcohol and not drinking any water because I think it's unlikely she knew anything about harm reduction, then that could explain her death.
 
Chesh said:
If it was this pink cherries with ~200mg in each pill, and she consumed two of them (~400mg of MDMA), along with alcohol and not drinking any water because I think it's unlikely she knew anything about harm reduction, then that could explain her death.
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Still, people take huge doses of MDMA with other drugs and little or no water all the time. Very few have complications or death.
 
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