N.B. diatribe free zone: white superiority bred into western society

[P A]

ultra-liberal progressive rantings?

The refusal to attribute sweeping qualities to vast, nebulously defined groups of people is not indicative of progressivism nor even of political liberalism, really. If anything, radical individualism is a conservative-libertarian position, at least as far as I'm aware.

I thought you wanted people's opinions not some bullshit argument.

You should look up the definition of the word 'discussion' before posting in a subforum explicitly dedicated to that purpose, first and foremost. Also, seeing as how this forum's title contains the word 'Philosophy,' the fact that you've come here under the impression that your controversial and heretofore unsubstantiated opinions will go forever uncontested by your peers is, frankly, embarrassing.

In my opinion, I am superior to many people just for the sole reason of where I was born. You can't tell me it's wrong because it's my opinion.

Actually, I can. You're wrong. What's more, you appear to be an ardent nationalist and apparent racist with a repellent chip on your shoulder. Kindly take your frothy-mouthed anti-intellectualism elsewhere.

 

[L2R]

tbh, i'm still having trouble coming to terms with how anyone could possibly find paris hilton attractive, let alone enough to assume she's a preference of the general population.

"what we all desire"
this phrase makes me feel sick to my stomach for some reason

 

[Voxide]

The refusal to attribute sweeping qualities to vast, nebulously defined groups of people is not indicative of progressivism nor even of political liberalism, really. If anything, radical individualism is a conservative-libertarian position, at least as far as I'm aware.



You should look up the definition of the word 'discussion' before posting in a subforum explicitly dedicated to that purpose, first and foremost. Also, seeing as how this forum's title contains the word 'Philosophy,' the fact that you've come here under the impression that your controversial and heretofore unsubstantiated opinions will go forever uncontested by your peers is, frankly, embarrassing.



Actually, I can. You're wrong. What's more, you appear to be an ardent nationalist and apparent racist with a repellent chip on your shoulder. Kindly take your frothy-mouthed anti-intellectualism elsewhere.

I have the right to stick by my beliefs that I've gathered from my own experiences and judgements, just like everyone else can do the same. Doesn't make me wrong, contrary to what your white-apologist philosophy says.

 

[P A]

This all strems from individals taking credit for the achievements of their ancestors.

I'm not so sure about this. Though so-called 'scientific racism' has been (and continues to be) thoroughly discredited, the ever-shifting historical tide of race politics has forced us to view the world through increasingly rarified lenses, ultimately reducing the individual to a fundamentally unaccountable, infinitely malleable wad of flesh and hip-ironical insecurity. Though I wouldn't go so far as to claim that scientific racism is factually valid, I'll repeat that such an ideology does in fact have a theoretical and historical basis. Are races/lineages effectively differentiable based upon more than surface-level characteristics? Perhaps not in fact, but the postulate as such isn't exactly fantastical nor fallacious in its essential thrust. The way I see it, 'taking ancestral credit' has less to do with racial/national pride than does simple ethnic (probably valid) identification with said ancestors.

And is it really so horrible to be proud of or enamored by your ancestry? Can one accomplish such a thing without running the risk of being haplessly ensnared by the seductive appeal of nationalism and xenophobia?

 

[P A]

I have the right to stick by my beliefs that I've gathered from my own experiences and judgements

I've gathered from my own experiences and judgements

my own experiences and judgements

my own

Oh, please. "My this, my that" - the perennial rallying call of the banal and the ignorant. What ever happened to scientific literature? Or, hell, dare I suggest a goddamn book every once in a while? Nothing is more tedious and insufferable than being told that your well-reasoned argument is invalid by sole virtue of another person's 'experience.' That's almost as stupid as telling someone that 'it's all subjective, mannnnn.'

All this is not to mention the fact that you didn't even attempt to respond to the actual content of my post. Your fundamentally incurious and unquestioning style of argumentation and insistently parochial worldview is less-than-becoming of you. Stop ranting about your entitlement to blahblahblah and consider making an actual contribution to the discussion.

 

[L2R]

I have the right to stick by my beliefs that I've gathered from my own experiences and judgements, just like everyone else can do the same. Doesn't make me wrong, contrary to what your white-apologist philosophy says.

just having a belief does not automatically substantiate it. a person can have the delusion which causes a genuine belief that they have bees inside their head (this has actually happened), does that belief make it true or right?

 

[Bucklecroft Rudy]

So whats the opinion on interracial dating/marriage/procreation - I know plenty of people on both sides of the divide with anti/pro miscgenation perspectives. Personally my attitude is one of casual dont-give-a-flying-fuckery, but there are others who im sure vehemently cling to notions of genetic purity and the ubermenches

Reason I mention it is that nationalists by virtue of their position often concern themselves with the "integrity" of their gene pool. Anyone who believes they hail from some sort of thoroughbred stock may want to preserve that as some sort of inheritance for future generations.

Its sort of like the logical extension to an affirmative answer to the question of western superiority.

 

[Voxide]

Oh, please. "My this, my that" - the perennial rallying call of the banal and the ignorant. What ever happened to scientific literature? Or, hell, dare I suggest a goddamn book every once in a while? Nothing is more tedious and insufferable than being told that your well-reasoned argument is invalid by sole virtue of another person's 'experience.' That's almost as stupid as telling someone that 'it's all subjective, mannnnn.'

All this is not to mention the fact that you didn't even attempt to respond to the actual content of my post. Your fundamentally incurious and unquestioning style of argumentation and insistently parochial worldview is less-than-becoming of you. Stop ranting about your entitlement to blahblahblah and consider making an actual contribution to the discussion.

You reek of a superiority complex. There's no point in trying to substantiate my claims when you make insulting posts like that.

just having a belief does not automatically substantiate it. a person can have the delusion which causes a genuine belief that they have bees inside their head (this has actually happened), does that belief make it true or right?

Delusion =/= natural ethnocentrism

So whats the opinion on interracial dating/marriage/procreation - I know plenty of people on both sides of the divide with anti/pro miscgenation perspectives. Personally my attitude is one of casual dont-give-a-flying-fuckery, but there are others who im sure vehemently cling to notions of genetic purity and the ubermenches

Reason I mention it is that nationalists by virtue of their position often concern themselves with the "integrity" of their gene pool. Anyone who believes they hail from some sort of thoroughbred stock may want to preserve that as some sort of inheritance for future generations.

Its sort of like the logical extension to an affirmative answer to the question of western superiority.

I don't care if a black man/woman has a kid with a white man/woman. They're 2 consenting adults of opposite sexes and they can do whatever they please. The individual aspect doesn't bother me, but there's nothing wrong with preferring a racially homogenous relationship.

 

[Bardeaux]

In my opinion, I am superior to many people just for the sole reason of where I was born. You can't tell me it's wrong because it's my opinion.

You reek of a superiority complex.

Come on now voxide.

 

[Voxide]

I don't mean superiority complex in the "better than you" sense. I mean it in the self-righteous sense. Calling yourself tolerant of all races and creeds doesn't make you any less wrong than claiming you want to exterminate all non Anglo-saxons. Both of those ideas are fucking dumb. The school of thought that you need to be politically correct and sympathetic in order to have a say in this forum is ridiculous and completely biased in and of itself.

 

[Bardeaux]

^Being tolerant or not is a choice, however when making claims of racial superiority you're entering into scientific waters. We're no longer talking about opinions, we're talking about fact, which can be proven or disproven. It has nothing to do with being PC or sympathetic, it has everything to do with being right or wrong.

Science is alot less subjective than personal opinion.

 

[Voxide]

^Being tolerant or not is a choice, however when making claims of racial superiority you're entering into scientific waters. We're no longer talking about opinions, we're talking about fact, which can be proven or disproven. It has nothing to do with being PC or sympathetic, it has everything to do with being right or wrong.

Science is alot less subjective than personal opinion.

I think superiority has less to do with biology and genetics and a lot more to do with culture, at least from my perspective. Pseudo-science that caters toward a specific group of people exists everywhere. I'm sure there are plenty of Neo-nazi nutjobs that came up with esoteric conclusions on how whites are genetically pure and the most evolved, but those don't really hold as much merit as actual statistics as far as crime, education, net worth, marriage/family life, etc. When I said qualities, I meant, sure we're generally smarter and more attractive but that all depends on who's doing the judging. A black person could always claim they have favorable traits that allow them to be better athletes and I wouldn't really be able to argue with that for the most part. My views don't really stem from race or skin color as much as culture. If I'm proud that one-third of the males in my ethnicity aren't incarcerated and more than half aren't born out of wedlock, why can't I be?

I get extremely happy everytime I see an intelligent and successful black person, because it proves that all of that "White man holding us down" is just a load of bullshit and a cop-out for laziness and stupidity.

 

[rangrz]

I get extremely happy everytime I see an intelligent and successful black person, because it proves that all of that "White man holding us down" is just a load of bullshit and a cop-out for laziness and stupidity.

Do you know how statistical significance and Gaussian distributions work? Briefly, it is going to be the case that we find cases of a set which are outlying from the norm by several standard deviations. As such, even an oppressed group, will, now and then, have a small number of members who overcome or avoided or otherwise bypassed the oppression, but it does not mean the oppression does not exist, the numbers of them are not significant, but the number of ones who are still oppressed are.

Personally, I am happy when I see an intelligent and successful black person, white person, Asian, or ANYONE, because I like intelligent and successful people simply for being intelligent and successful, they provide a nice change from theuneducated, bigoted pricks one encounters all too often.

 

[Voxide]

Do you know how statistical significance and Gaussian distributions work? Briefly, it is going to be the case that we find cases of a set which are outlying from the norm by several standard deviations. As such, even an oppressed group, will, now and then, have a small number of members who overcome or avoided or otherwise bypassed the oppression, but it does not mean the oppression does not exist, the numbers of them are not significant, but the number of ones who are still oppressed are.

Personally, I am happy when I see an intelligent and successful black person, white person, Asian, or ANYONE, because I like intelligent and successful people simply for being intelligent and successful, they provide a nice change from theuneducated, bigoted pricks one encounters all too often.

Sick burn bro. You sure showed me. I think I'm gonna go to an NAACP convention now. Maybe when you're done e-stalking you could join me.

 

[P A]

You reek of a superiority complex. There's no point in trying to substantiate my claims when you make insulting posts like that.

Cool cop-out bro.

The school of thought that you need to be politically correct and sympathetic in order to have a say in this forum is ridiculous and completely biased in and of itself.

But that's just it - you're not only politically incorrect (which, in my opinion, is more than fine in most instances); you're insisting upon being bullheaded and childish, resisting rational discussion of a topic that simply cannot and will not be relegated to the annals of personal opinion and agreements to disagree. As already mentioned by Bardeaux and I, any attempt to confirm a difference in racial 'quality' is an inherently scientific endeavor. When viewed in this light, some people (you) are simply wrong.

Pseudo-science that caters toward a specific group of people exists everywhere

If I'm proud that one-third of the males in my ethnicity aren't incarcerated and more than half aren't born out of wedlock, why can't I be?

Jesus Harold Christ, talk about shifting the goalposts! This isn't an issue of wholesome ethnocultural pride, and you know it. Cite all the stats you like - you're not going to win over any converts to your patently racist sensibilities by appealing to your 'rights' to fervent sectarianism and the 'personal experiences' that helped to sculpt your covert bigotry. Nor, by the way, will you successfully evade criticism by hiding behind a thin veil of relativism and vacant attempts to dispel the importance of the scientific method in a discussion about an ostensibly scientific phenomenon.

 

[L2R]

Delusion =/= natural ethnocentrism

beliefs can occur in varying ways, but this doesn't support the claim that having a belief (of any sort) automatically legitimises it.