Opioids everyday hydro user: ? about APAP

[ThrashMetal]

Hey all, How you doing? My name is NIck and this is my first post, But i have been reading here for about a year. I have a question that i have been searching for the answer to but I can't seem to find, Well a few actually.
Ill just list them off and thanks in advance for your help, You all are great and so freakin smart.


So i take about 4-6 pills a day, sometimes they are the popular watson "blues" sometimes they are M363 but ALWAYS hydrocodone/APAP and iv'e been doing this recreationally for about 2 1-2 yrs. There have been somedays where i party harder but most days just 4-6 to get me through work and play some video games and get loose when i come home... I never take more than 1 1/2 at a time and usually i wait about 2 hours inbetween doeses.

So my questions are this;

1. When i take my first dose its always <1000 mg APAP, does this get flushed out seperatly than my later doses or do the later doses make it harder for my body to purge the first dose?
2. so if i stay under 4000 mg a day, would i be safe for long term use like this?
3. im more-so worried about APAP than my addiction, how long would the body take to full purge all APAP? (like if i wantted not to pop any and flush out)
4. what would be signs of the APAP starting to do damage? EI: pain in side by where liver is? can that happen?


Thanks for everything, you guys rock and i have learned so much from this community about how to play safe, I really think its great and thanks again.


-Nick

 

[murderator]

It's possible you would notice pains. Yellowing of the skin, real dark urine, smelly urine, yellowing of the eyes are all signs of liver damage (Dark Urine, Smelly Urine could also equate to Kidney issues - some will say liver damage doesn't do this, but liver damage when it is severe, can cause kidney failure) - Also, itching, fatigue, weakness, loss of apetite, minor abdominal pains (Because, left lobe/right lobe makes up liver, its basically on both sides)

Also, if you start to bruise a lot easier than before, that's another major sign of liver disease.

4000mg of APAP daily is the recommended MAXIMUM amount, but, long term use at that amount is still deadly. They are pushing for the FDA to lower it to 2000mg daily. APAP is NO JOKE, and is dangerous in long term users. If you are going to continue at this dose DAILY..

Cold Water Extraction is your best friend. The doses you take, if they were an every now and then thing, is not too bad, and your liver would be ok. But daily, especially after 2 1/2 years, it's already taken it's toll, and I'd go get blood tests done. Guarantee you that your liver enzymes will be really high in your blood, and your doctor will have concerns and probably want to do further testing.

I'm not saying this to scare you, it's just the ugly truth, APAP is dangerous, more so than the hydrocodone.

From what I could gather about Bluelight, the main goal here is HARM REDUCTION. So please, do a search, and you'll find just how easy it is to perform a Cold Water Extraction. You may enjoy it, because when you drink the final solution, it's no longer a solid pill that has to be broken down and absorbed, it's now already broken down and hits your stomach and is instantly, or close to instantly, absorbed and set into motion.

Bottom Line: Be safe! The liver is one organ you do NOT want to mess with. I am very lucky after my past use to not have major liver issues years later. I was very ignorant and ignored all warnings. I thought I was the exception. 4000mg daily limit? Not for me, I was doing upwards of 8000 sometimes. I know it's disgusting.

 

[phatass]

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[ThrashMetal]

Right on thanks for the advice, Im currently messing with the CWE process.

What do you think about the amount of time for all APAP to leave body and begin healing from it after last pill was taken?

Your liver can heal itself right?

I have not ever had any symptom like that before, NO yellowing skin, No smelly peepee (except when i drink coffee) and its almost impossible to bruise me, I itch when i am buzzing... and as far as fatigue,weakness or loss of appitite, nothing has changed but im also a stoner so... those arent my strongest department anyway =P Im guess you mean like extreme fatigue like running out of breathe easy? no, i work 40 hours a week at a fast paed restraunt and also run everday.

 

[ThrashMetal]

also i do NOT drink or take any other drugs besides hydros

 

[Coraline]

I would suggest going with Norco 10/325mg. It has 1/2 the Tylenol that lorcet's have.

Stay under 4000 mg of Tylenol a day, 24hrs period.

The liver can heal itself. Just be careful and don't take other products that contain Tylenol in them like NyQuil, Tylenol Pm, ect...

 

[ThrashMetal]

hehe thanks, I wish i could switch that easy, I have to buy these off the street only cuz i got no real reason to use them besides abuse.

 

[MartinFn]

Hey, Thrasher..i think it's ok. The thing that matters a lot is drinking, and as you say you don't, i don't think you got a problem..and the itching i'm sure is from the buzz, and not a bad sign about your liver. But anyway, a good CWE is always a good idea, because of the everyday use. And do a blood test about the liver's enzymes (transaminaces), just to be sure, if you can... Don't get panic (i'm fuckin sure you don't..), and just an advice, keep your tolerance as low as you can, and you would be fine and cool! Cheers, pal..%)


MartinFn

 

[BeachBum4u]

So, I can't really gather from your post how much APAP you actually comsume daily? It doesn't really sound like your up around the max from what I'm reading, yes/no? How many mgs are in each pill? Everyone is a little different but I used to take tons of percocets (10-20) everyday for months at a time and have taken pretty high doses of narcotics for over 30 years and my liver is in excellent shape. If I were you, I'd take as little as you can and maybe try to space them out a little more to give your body a good chance to purge the stuff. But it'd be my guess that you're just fine but don't go upping your daily consumption to 15-20 pills or anything and you should be fine.

 

[Deadhead420]

also i do NOT drink or take any other drugs besides hydros

Well that's good. The main thing I was gonna say is to not drink if you're taking APAP every day. You may want to look at a cold water extraction or just switch to using roxi's or something without APAP since you buy them off the street anyway.

 

[Choosing_Positive]

Yea, I fucking hate the fact that all most doc's prescribe is norco's and vicodin's. That is what I get from my doc, who is a POS good-ole-boy who can suck it as far as I'm concerned. I have a serious medical condition, but due to my age and the way I look, he most likely takes me as a stoner or something and doesn't prescribe the necessary medication due to his own biases. What a douce bag. Sorry, off topic. To answer OT, long term use of APAP is not advised. You probably shouldn't take the MAX daily dose for more than two weeks without a good equivalent break. Like two weeks on and two weeks off. This would be much better than a constant max dose. Possibly, since you get yours off the streets you could switch it up a bit. But please, BE CAREFUL, cause a lot of the alternatives are much much stronger...

 

[tricomb]

How much are you taking?

 

[bronson]

As said above, it sounds like you are fine for now where you are at. I will just say, that if your addiction does grow and you end up doing higher doses, then look into doing CWE for sure. Or possibly exploring other options, but that could worsen the addiction further, so may be best avoided unless absolutely 'necessary'.

Anyway, be safe, and welcome to bL.

 

[ThrashMetal]

Thanks for all the replies, Iv'e decided I am gonna do CWE alot more even if its a quick 20 min throw together one it should help alot.