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Opioids Fast track off 'done after 1 year and using dope ontop?

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plague66

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So here I am, on the last days (6th) of my 3-methylfentanyl withdrawal so I can start tapering off the Methadone. I need to be off that shit for 1th September when the school starts or it's fucked.
Anyone wondering about the fentanyl, then I'm from an Eastern Europe country where Heroin was last seen in 2002 because of the 3-methylfentanyl, only opioids available here. You can IV, smoke or snort it. Comes packed in little aluminium foil packages. This type of fentanyl is 600-1000x more potent than Heroin, and pretty short acting so it skyrockets ur tolerance really fast and it's really easy to overdose. I have only smoked it, never IV'd. The general consensus here is that once you IV, you are gone... Impossible to overcome the addiction then.

If anyone wants some more back story on this dope, then BBC did a mayor story few months ago about how this substance has taken over our country and stayed here for 10 years and haven't been found anywhere else (on streets). http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17524945

Anyway, 1 year ago I got started on 60 ml's of Methadone so I could work, go to school, and maintain. I never stopped using for longer than a few days, and I've been basically using ontop of Methadone the whole time and oh boy, how I wish I'd never gotten started on the done and just smoked the dope. Or just stop the done while I had things going and dope was readily available money wise every day.
Luckily for me I realized that 3 months ago, when someone filled me in on the details what it's like to quit the 'done, that it's retarded to take it (or atleast take it at such high ml's) when I'm smoking dope everyday.

So, during the last 3 months I gradually reduced the Methadone dose from 60 to 45, from 45 to 35, from 35 to 25 (where I am now) without feeling any withdrawal effects because I was on the dope. The fentanyl is extremely short lasting and the W/D's are extreme but last top 8-9 days, so I wish I would have realized it earlier while I still had the monies that I should taper off the 'done completley and sooner.

Right now, I'm on the last days of the dope withdrawal. Every morning when I take the 25ml's of Methadone it definitely eases the withdrawal symptoms. Once the 'done kicks in, and I've taken my medications (1mg clonazepam in the morning, 300mg lyrica, 2mg clonidine, 10mg loperamide/immodium) then the dope withdrawal is basically gone. But after two days, the dope W/D's are definitely over. (the w/d's are def. there, done and the med's are just masking it) And then the hard work starts, I need to start reducing the Methadone on high rate without any other opiods masking it.

I plan on dropping to 15mL's on 16th of July (next week) and I'll see on from there. I've read and heard that people have trouble dropping even 1mg/ml a week so I might have developed a placebo effect that I can drop 10's and 20's of units of the 'done at a time because of the times I did while I smoked dope. But nonetheless I'm planning on doing it and I don't know what awaits for me. I've heard people who CT-ed around 150mL's of done within 10 days of prison time with minimal W/D effects so I hope I belong in that 'miracle' group on who the methadone doesn't have much effect. What makes me wonder that is the thing, that when I dropped the methadone dose, my dope habit stayed the same (huge, I don't know how to compare it to bags of H or w/e) and the 25mL's of Methadone in the end managed to mask my withdrawal effects STILL somewhat when I couldn't get a dose so I could sleep atleast like 6 hours and do work.

I have access to any benzos, antipsychotics, anticonvulsants, low grade painkillers (panacod (30mg codeine); tramadol) and Suboxone being RX-ed, so, if you have any good suggestions for meds or taper plan then fire away please. One thing which I'm really worried about is that I'm running out of Clonidine (last 5-6 pills) and in my country it is a scheduled special order medicine, and the doctor who orders it for me is on summer vacation and returns after 2 weeks, and the Clonidine itself takes 3 weeks to arrive. So at best, I might get the medicine in the last weeks of August...

TL;DR
Currently on 25mL of MMT, 2mg clonazepam a day (1mg in the morning, 1mg in the nights), 300mg lyrica, 2mg clonidine, need to get off fast and be 100% normal on 1th September. Short acting dope is not an option. What med's? How would you recommend to taper? I've heard jumping off of a dose like that takes like 45 days for you to go 100%, so I could go CT or is this a bad idea and fast track to relapse of higher doses of done? I've considered Suboxone but then I'd have to taper off that also. One thing I'm also wondering when one is in 100% withdrawals, what's the usual dose of Lyrica (pregabalin) you take just to be out of it. (Hell, I'm even considerably out of it on 300mg's and I like the drug because it gives me back my appetite, without Lyrica I'm not eating anything)

Sorry for the long read but If anyone has some ideas fire away please.<3
 
ANYONE?! I've heard so much horror stories about going CT from Methadone, but my friend went CT from 20mL-s 2 months ago and only had 6-7 days of severe withdrawal and maybe 13 days afterglow. So only 20 days total until he felt 100%. At the moment I'm considering jumping from the 25...
 
Hallo my friend, i have some questions..you say at 1th September you need to be clean..you mean from methadone, from clonaz, from lyrica, from what? If you mean you've to be clean from all these, well, i guess it won't be so easy, but of course this is not sure, maybe you are at these lucky people who come off the methadone easy, as you said, (i really wish you're). I'm on fent patches, the 100mcg/hr, every 48 hrs, for 8 years..i also take lyrica 450mg a day, clonaz. 2-4mgs a day, amotryptilline 75mg a day, these prescribed..I bet you're from Esthonia, Talin maybe (cause i think that there is the 3-methylfentanyl, there is a guy here in Bl from there, he's on this stuff too..).
Now, you said you're on the 6th day of the 3-methfent WD, i think that the first and most important, (and maybe difficult..), is that you have to forget this fuckin 3-methfent. Don't even touch it. Then, you would be in a situation that you should titrate your methadone dose, (of course the less you can take, the better..), and then taper off from there..I think that it's a litl complicated, cause you have to consider the amount of the other drugs, so only you would know when would be the best time to jump off..
Don't get panic or anxiety, i'm sure you can do it, dude..(we're both from Europe, but let'say an american word,heh, why not?..%)
Forget the 3-methylfent, and stay strong and focused to your plan. I wish you good luck and power, i'm here if you wanna ask me anything, stay strong my friend..


MartinFn%)
 
Yeah you guessed it right, and I think I even know who you are talking about. Anyway, took 20mL-s today and 600mg of Lyrica and 4mg Clonazepam. Feel the same as on 25... Taking 15 tomorrow. I'll see how it works out. Thanks for the support. No w/d-s as of yet, maybe a bit RLS. But I have found Lyrica to be a wonderdrug. Gives me appetite, energy to move etc and even a slight buzz. And I need to be clean only from the opiates. I'll keep taking Clonazepam and taper that later. Tapering different types of drugs at the same time is bad... Anyway, Thanks! If someone has some good ideas then post. I'll update the thread and let you guys know how the fast taper works out at first.
 
Took 15mL today and yesterday, today morning I was feeling a bit shitty. Woke up at 4AM with tears running and mild w/d symptoms. Then took Lyrica and all that vansihed. Slept 5 hours straight and woke up feeling great. Still do. No W/D symptoms whatsoever - Lyrica is a miracle drug. Going to sleep soon and let you guys know tomorrow morning how I'm feeling. Planning to take 15mL for the last time tomorrow, and then 3 days 10mL, 3 days 5mL and then I'll see how I am feeling and how I'll go on from there.
 
Second day on 10mL, slept perfectly fine a 9 hours sleep. I've found that Lyrica really masks almost all of the W/D symptoms, right now - I'm not feeling any. I also exercise alot, or atleast try as much as I can. Also started taking 10mg Loperamide/Immodium a day now. When I get down to 5mL and below I'll raise the Clonidine dosage also if needed. Doing as I feel If the WD is coming or no. Want to mask it as much as possible. Right now I'm just kind of blogging into this thread because I know many many people want to get off Methadone and taper advice. So if I did anything really wrong (too fast taper) and the W/D kicks in once the Methadone has left my fatcells - I will tell you guys.
 
Hallo plague,
very nice to hear you're doing so well (knock on the fuckin wood and have your fingers crossed:)). Don't forget to drink a lot of water, and maybe some vitamins would help..I wish you to have an even more easy W/D, from this point to the end. You can do it, that's for sure, never fuckin forget it.%)

MartinFn
 
MartinFn said:
Hallo plague,
very nice to hear you're doing so well (knock on the fuckin wood and have your fingers crossed:)). Don't forget to drink a lot of water, and maybe some vitamins would help..I wish you to have an even more easy W/D, from this point to the end. You can do it, that's for sure, never fuckin forget it.%)

MartinFn
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Thanks for the support Martin. I am drinking loads of fluids and eating berries and stuff. I hope when I come off the 'done and a month or so passes, my tolerance has gone so low that I can get 8 hours high from 400mg tramadol. :D (My first contact with opiates and still one of the best memories)
 
Lyrica/gabapentin really is a fantastic drug to have for any opiate addict. It alone can take care of about half of the withdrawal symptoms. Way more usefull than benzodiazpine's for this purpose.

IME with short term methadone detoxes, I would only start to feel shitty when I got down to 5mg-and even then it wasn't unbarable. As far as maintenance goes, it can take a while, even when tapered, for the proper methadone withdrawals to kick in. I had to CT 90 mg, and for four days I felt pretty decent considering I was getting only a weak dose of phenobarbital once a day. But around day five it kicked in and it was very unpleasant (but like I said, no taper, no bupe).

I say continue to use the lyrica and Immodium, and try and keep your dosages to both low. I found the 150mg of lyrica to equal 300mg of gabapentin, and for myself at least, without constant use, it's enough to ease withdrawal. I personally have to take a lot more loperamide for reliefe, but if 10-20mg is enough, stick with it.
 
Znegative said:
Lyrica/gabapentin really is a fantastic drug to have for any opiate addict. It alone can take care of about half of the withdrawal symptoms. Way more usefull than benzodiazpine's for this purpose.

IME with short term methadone detoxes, I would only start to feel shitty when I got down to 5mg-and even then it wasn't unbarable. As far as maintenance goes, it can take a while, even when tapered, for the proper methadone withdrawals to kick in. I had to CT 90 mg, and for four days I felt pretty decent considering I was getting only a weak dose of phenobarbital once a day. But around day five it kicked in and it was very unpleasant (but like I said, no taper, no bupe).

I say continue to use the lyrica and Immodium, and try and keep your dosages to both low. I found the 150mg of lyrica to equal 300mg of gabapentin, and for myself at least, without constant use, it's enough to ease withdrawal. I personally have to take a lot more loperamide for reliefe, but if 10-20mg is enough, stick with it.
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I 100% agree with you there about pregabalin/Lyrica being more useful, I was almost amazed how can it make a person feel perfectly fine and even get him a bit high whilist benzos only softened the W/D a bit. I posted it in the Lyrica megathread too but nobody has answered yet, anyway I already feel like my Lyrica tolerance is skyrocketing. 5 days ago I would be super high/feeling great from 600mg, now 600mg does a slight high and 300mg I don't even feel anymore. But the 300mg sure does take away the W/D symptoms cause there isn't any and I should be already feeling them because I started the fast taper now over 8 days ago. Tomorrow dropping to 7.5mL or 5mL, can't dedice yet. I wanna go 5mL because this just seems so easy. At first I considered going on Suboxone when I got under 25mL but I don't see any point in it now. I can't stop the Clonazepam because I've been taking it for over a year and It would cause unpleasant W/D-s and insomnia etc and that would maybe trigger the 'done WD and I don't want that.

Also on the topic of Loperamide, I have very, VERY bad bowel movement. Shit once a week, sometimes even once in a 10 days. (that is WITHOUT lope) Bringing birth to such unbelievable Heroin or Fentanyl/Methadone babies and the toilet paper all blooded up etc. So I really wouldnt risk venturing into the higher doses of lope.

What's the difference between Lyrica and Gabapentin? Where I live Gabapentin is like 6 times cheaper and contains 5 times more dosage... Baclofen or whatever is it called. Should I get it RX-ed and try instead of Lyrica? Or continue Lyrica because it works (but expensive as FUCK - for me, maybe it's cause pfizer has a patent on it and generics cannot be made yet?)?

Thanks for your replies guys, appriciate it really!
 
Plague, i'm very happy with your situation, it's so good to see that things come easy for you, hmm, it seems you're a strong soul!! But don't forget, the war isn't over yet, yeah, it's good you win the most battles, but keep your spirit and your strength up, it's not fuckin over yet;)...But expect of this, i have a question for you and Z-negative..you say a lot of good words about lyrica, and i wanna ask:Well, lyrica is very good for the w/ds as you say, but, what if someone who is on opiates for years, and he's on lyrica for years too, to help with the pain..let's say he wants to come off the opiates, and he's starting a taper..Will the lyrica help him like helped you plague,or because he takes it for some years, it won't help him with the w/ds? So, i wish the best for you plague, go on and no fear..


Martinfn%)
 
MartinFn said:
Plague, i'm very happy with your situation, it's so good to see that things come easy for you, hmm, it seems you're a strong soul!! But don't forget, the war isn't over yet, yeah, it's good you win the most battles, but keep your spirit and your strength up, it's not fuckin over yet;)...But expect of this, i have a question for you and Z-negative..you say a lot of good words about lyrica, and i wanna ask:Well, lyrica is very good for the w/ds as you say, but, what if someone who is on opiates for years, and he's on lyrica for years too, to help with the pain..let's say he wants to come off the opiates, and he's starting a taper..Will the lyrica help him like helped you plague,or because he takes it for some years, it won't help him with the w/ds? So, i wish the best for you plague, go on and no fear..


Martinfn%)
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Thanks Martin for your constant support and posts in this thread. As for your question about Lyrica, I don't know if I'm the right guy to answer this but my guess would be that before you start tapering off the opiates, taper off Lyrica slowly to a lower dose (do not stop it completley) - IMO it comes in 75/150/225/300 so you can taper in all kinds of ways and you probably won't even feel it. (I may be hugely wrong here because I don't know the Lyrica long-term effects) And after your tolerance to Lyrica has dropped... then start tapering the opioids and start taking Lyrica again in high doses so you will feel it and it would mask the w/d.

As for me, yesterday evening started feeling shitty - added the 150mg of Lyrica to my usual 300mg dose and everything went to kinda shitty to just great. Went to sleep and had a great good nights sleep. This shit is really fucking wierd that it almost creeps me out to some point, I have never even slept so good while using Fentanyl and Methadone at high doses and not tapering. Or maybe it's just that feeling, that you're brain is no longer intoxicated and you wake up to that natural feeling I have been missing for the last 2 years.

Today morning was the first day of 5mL, drinking so little amount of Methadone is really wierd... even 10mL was. I always took alot of water and made sure it all went down my stomach and 100% absorbed. Just took my meds also and well, here it goes. I'll let you guys know how it works out.
 
Took 5mL for the second time + 2mg Clonazepam + 450mg Lyrica. No withdrawals whatsoever. I started the ultrafast taper ~17 days ago, and people say that after 3 weeks the 'done PAWS or real WD creeps up on you. We will see, right now - feelin good.
 
Last day on 5mL and I have a question, can somebody PLEASE answer it. I'm moving to 2.5mL tomorrow and even 5mL felt like I didn't even swallow anything. So I am scared that the Methadone doesn't absorb correctly and stays stuck in my mouth in the saliva and whatnot. Is it safe to mix the 2.5mL methadone into a half glass of water? Does the potency remain the same? Help please. Znegative maybe you can help me out?
 
Come on plague, it's just psychological..the meth will absorb normally. Throw it to your mouth, and swallow it immidiately, right down..wash up your mouth with water, in case there some residues left, and you'll be fine..i've takken doses like 2mg in the past,had no problem... Just swallow it immidiately. I think the mix with the water would work fine, too, but i would rather swallow the meth quickly, and wash with water, if i was you..it seems you're going fine-knock on wood-, if your problems are things like this, it means you're allright..:), which i hope. Stay focused on your target, and you'll be the winner. Wish you good luck and strength, pal..


MartinFn
 
0mL as of today. (Didn't take methadone) + 4mg clonazepam + 0.15mg clonidine + 450mg Lyrica... feeling def. different than on methadone. Huge RLS and so on... I am like withdrawing but at the same time drunk from the RX drugs so kind of like a zombie. Tomorrow going to my counselor to get some DHC, or 30mg Codeine with APAP. Hope he gives DHC though. Dihydrocodeine will relieve the symptoms and only w/d you can get from 120mg codeine a day is runny nose. But I feel surreal. Over & Out.
 
Man, clean your box from old messages,you can't receive new..

Hallo plague,
i dropped you two pm's, one at 27/7, and the other today, it says that you must clean your box (delete some messages) cause there isn't enough space to receive them. Anyway, i see you're on maybe the most difficult part of the game..Look, if you relapsed, don't take it as the end of the world...it happens reguralerry...just a lost battle, but NOT the lost of the war..it's just a thought, of course i hope that you didn't relapse, just don't take it hard, in case that you fuckin did it, man..you simple continue from tomorrow, that's all, don't take it as a sign you're not enough strong to quit and fuckin bullshits..i'll be leaving from tomorrow, for a week or so, and i don't think that i'll have 'net, so i'll "see" you later..My friend, be safe and strong, don't get panic if smth went fucked, continue your try, maybe take some litl ml's methadone for a couple of days, and if nothing happened, well, i think you'll be better..you asked my advice for smth serious, i told you my opinion in the PM i sent on 27/7, fuck the work..;). At your age i'm almost sure that the other choice would be a lot better..So, pal, i hope you're safe, OK, and strong..drink tones of water, it fuckin helps a lot..and whatever happened or will, don't fuckin give it up. Wish you the best, see you..:)


MartinFn
PS.My thought will be on you and your try..wish i could help, but i think that i only could help if you were here..Once again, be SAFE and STRONG..you're so close to make it, don't even think to fuck the whole detox you made, i'll come in your place and beat you..haha..%)
 
MartinFn said:
Plague, i'm very happy with your situation, it's so good to see that things come easy for you, hmm, it seems you're a strong soul!! But don't forget, the war isn't over yet, yeah, it's good you win the most battles, but keep your spirit and your strength up, it's not fuckin over yet;)...But expect of this, i have a question for you and Z-negative..you say a lot of good words about lyrica, and i wanna ask:Well, lyrica is very good for the w/ds as you say, but, what if someone who is on opiates for years, and he's on lyrica for years too, to help with the pain..let's say he wants to come off the opiates, and he's starting a taper..Will the lyrica help him like helped you plague,or because he takes it for some years, it won't help him with the w/ds? So, i wish the best for you plague, go on and no fear..


Martinfn%)
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Plague's response to this was pretty spot on. Once you develop a high tolerance to lyrica it's not going to work too well for withdrawals as it does for people such as myself who don't take it regularly. However, Gabapentin[/i] can be taken, as supposedly there is no cross tolerance between the two substances, as shocking as it seems, (source), especially since they pretty much do the same thing (though according to the patent, lyrica works differently on inflammatory pain).

Either way, when used for opiate withdrawal, it's best to take the lowest dose for withdrawal reliefe. With Neurontin (gabapentin), that'd be around 300mg for myself, and with Lyrica, 100mg. Higher dosages would work too, but the tolerance builds so fast with these drugs, and I feel the side effects are kind of shitty, though some seem to enjoy them.
 
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