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well you know what dude they are fucking babies. They dont have a say yet.

Should they be able to pick what clothes they wear? Or what food they eat?

No, they cry and shit all over the place.

faultless logic yet again-

what you eat and wear are temporary, chopping part of your dick off is permanent.

if you want to chop part of your own dick off fine, as an adult, but dont do it to a child who cannot disagree. its simply abuse, as is female genital mutilation.
 
if my parents didnt get me circumcised i would be pretty pissed tbh

maybe, but if it bothered you you could CHOOSE as an ADULT to get it done. and there would be no problem with that.

BUT if as an ADULT you wish your parents had not CHOPPED part of your PENIS OFF, you dont have the same freedom of choice to stick it back on.

do you see? its not very complex and its about human rights and physical abuse.

BstC there is no way you are going to agree with my logic as it would make you feel bad for having your child genitally altered by surgery so i can see why you have to defend your choice even if from my point of view it wasn't the right one.
 
maybe, but if it bothered you you could CHOOSE as an ADULT to get it done. and there would be no problem with that.

BUT if as an ADULT you wish your parents had not CHOPPED part of your PENIS OFF, you dont have the same freedom of choice to stick it back on.

do you see? its not very complex and its about human rights and physical abuse

99% of people would never get circumcised as an adult.

fuck that. glad i got it when i did cuz i dont remember it
 
USING CAPS DOESN"T MAKE YOU SAGGY SKINNED PENIS ANY BETTER LOOKING ;)

A lot of skivvy envy in here

no, but when you ignore a point made earlier in the thread because you have nothing to say that can counteract it that makes logical sense then maybe i am wondering if highlighting the key simple points would help.

i am not against cutting bits of yourself off, getting peircings, having tattoos, bisecting your shlong to look like a frittered banana sundae or removing your own eyelids and clitoris. but doing it to someone else when its not their choice is wrong. that is all. give them the choice.

loads of people would get circumcised as an adult if they wanted to and felt it would improve them, just look at the african politicians lining up. how many people get peircings and tattoos and boob jobs and nose jobs all for purely superficial reasons. i guarantee you there would be people looking to be circumcised and i say let em at it. as adults

plus my penis is way better than yours lol ;p (joking)

bear in mind i have sucked more dicks than you're probably seen and i'm really open to a wide variety if you get my drift, but it was my choice to gargle on all those rosy helmets, no-one made me do it without my consent. really.
 
This is turning into a shit-fest, so let me just say this very quickly:

I am circumcised, and for the longest time I was pissed about it because "a boy is born perfectly" and all of the arguments against circumcision made sense to me.

I still lean somewhat in that direction, but I remember a friend telling me about how he chose to undergo the procedure only later in life and how miserable an experience it was.

I asked him all about the whole cleanliness thing and many of what I considered to be the "myths" surrounding uncircumcised penises, and, much to my surprise, he confirmed some of it... so, I don't know how I feel about it now, and I'm still not entirely sure what I might want for my own son someday (if I ever have a son).

I hate to say it, but I think that I might choose circumcision. And I guess that's my take on it.

(inb4 "your friend is a retard who doesn't know how to clean his own penis" 8))
 
bear in mind i have sucked more dicks than you're probably seen and i'm really open to a wide variety if you get my drift, but it was my choice to gargle on all those rosy helmets, no-one made me do it without my consent. really.
I played rugby and showered with at least 17 other dicks every week for almost 20 years.

That is a lot of dicks sucked. You must be good at it.
 
Hahahaha everyone is getting so butthurt
Whinging in a thread trying to explain the obvious logic to people isn't going to change shit, and it's not going to reattach the foreskins that have been cut off
If you were cut and don't wish to be, I pity you.
If you're a parent, I think you're stupid.
If you're a parent who cut off their child's foreskin, I think you're even more cruel and stupid.
If you're a mod for SLR, why is this thread still open? Nothing constructive will come from it..
Don't take this wrong, I'm just saying.
 
^ ssssshhhh - the grown-ups are talking about little boys' pricks.

I wouldn't say this thread is lacking constructive arguments - they're just all coming from one side. Nothing out of the ordinary.
 
Hahahaha everyone is getting so butthurt
Whinging in a thread trying to explain the obvious logic to people isn't going to change shit, and it's not going to reattach the foreskins that have been cut off
If you were cut and don't wish to be, I pity you.
If you're a parent, I think you're stupid.
If you're a parent who cut off their child's foreskin, I think you're even more cruel and stupid.
If you're a mod for SLR, why is this thread still open? Nothing constructive will come from it..
Don't take this wrong, I'm just saying.

ur stupid for calling everybody stupid, stupid.
 
I played rugby and showered with at least 17 other dicks every week for almost 20 years.

That is a lot of dicks sucked. You must be good at it.

of course i am- practice makes perfect. and lets be honest its pretty good fun. if i am honest my beef with circumcision is about the missing banjo string. its an integral part of making a man cum quickly and without it sex is a"rough" affair as there is clearly less sensitivity. i know for a fact that there are other places on my dick that can make me come but that one is hands down the best by far. in many (not all, but a large proportion of) circumcised men this part is removed-WTF! if someone gives you something this good, it seems like a good idea to risk losing it? stupid, thats all i have to say. and if you want to be stupid to yourself as an adult go ahead, but to do something this stupid to a child- you need to be told its not right

where did this process originate? in countries with a poor water supply and general bad hygiene so it made sense then, but to keep doing it now that you have running water (america is the worst example of this)- if you do something dont do it for the sake of always having done it, do it because its a need of necessity and in modern times with all the sanitation and access to water that we have it is unnecessary and therefore pointless and ridiculous
 
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This is turning into a shit-fest, so let me just say this very quickly:

I am circumcised, and for the longest time I was pissed about it because "a boy is born perfectly" and all of the arguments against circumcision made sense to me.

I still lean somewhat in that direction, but I remember a friend telling me about how he chose to undergo the procedure only later in life and how miserable an experience it was.

I asked him all about the whole cleanliness thing and many of what I considered to be the "myths" surrounding uncircumcised penises, and, much to my surprise, he confirmed some of it... so, I don't know how I feel about it now, and I'm still not entirely sure what I might want for my own son someday (if I ever have a son).

I hate to say it, but I think that I might choose circumcision. And I guess that's my take on it.

(inb4 "your friend is a retard who doesn't know how to clean his own penis" 8))

one persons bad experience shouldn't be the reason to deprive others without consent of multiple good experiences...
 
all ya need to know IS - if they have a problem with you bein uncut, they're too superficial for the likes of you.

Fuck em.

No literally just fuck em, don't give them time to look at your dick - as long as you clean properly down there, it don't mean a ting.

You're how you are, and you going natural. I personally wouldn't get my foreskin back if I could, I like not havving to think about smegma or cumming too quickly, but evveryone's different.

Just havve confidence in your dick - and a real woman won't mind.
 
Busty St. Clair said:
...like a piece of chewed gum...

I’ve noticed that people will make up ANY excuse to mutilate their son’s genitals including vanity and even worse religious dogma. Male genital mutilation is so painful to an infant that they pass out from the pain, and it's completely pointless.

OP-I'm not cut and I have never had any issue with a partner not liking my penis. I am a gay man and I've given and got more blowjobs than BSC ever will and seen more penises and a man that is cut does lose sexual pleasure and sensitivity and there are lots of things you can do to a man with a foreskin that you can't do to a man that's cut.

Many people think circumcision removes nothing more than a little extra skin. However, circumcision removes several critical components of male sexual anatomy. This list enumerates everything currently known to be physically lost after circumcision.
Alongside these physical losses, it is important to remember that whenever a child is circumcised, by far the greatest loss is his choice to make decisions about his own body and his own sex life when he becomes an adult.

The Foreskin
which comprises up to 50% (sometimes more) of the mobile skin system of the penis. If unfolded and spread out flat the average adult foreskin would measure about 15 square inches( the size of a 3x5 inch index card). This highly specialised tissue normally covers the glans and protects it from abrasion, drying, callusing(keratinisation), and contaminants of all kinds.The effect of glans keratinisation has never been studied.
[1. M. M. Lander, "The Human Prepuce," in G. C. Denniston and M. F. Milos, eds., Sexual Mutilations: A Human Tragedy (New York: Plenum Press, 1997), 79-81. 2. M. Davenport, "Problems with the Penis and Prepuce: Natural History of the Foreskin," British Medical Journal 312 (1996): 299-301.]
The Frenar Ridged Band,
the primary erogenous zone of the male body. Loss of this delicate belt of densely innervated, sexually responsive tissue reduces the fullness and intensity of sexual response.
[Taylor, J. R. et al., "The Prepuce: Specialized Mucosa of the Penis and Its Loss to Circumcision," British Journal of Urology 77 (1996): 291-295.]
The Foreskin's 'Gliding Action'
- the hallmark mechanical feature of the normal natural, intact penis. This non-abrasive gliding of the penis in and out of itself within the vagina facilitates smooth , comfortable, pleasurable intercourse for both partners. Without this gliding action, the corona of the circumcised penis can function as a oneway valve, scraping vaginal lubricants out into the drying air and making artificial lubricants essential for pleasurable intercourse.
[P. M. Fleiss, MD, MPH, "The Case Against Circumcision," Mothering: The Magazine of Natural Family Living (Winter 1997): 36-45.]

Nerve Endings Circumcision removes the most important sensory component of the foreskin - thousands of coiled fine-touch receptors called Meissner's corpuscles. Also lost are branches of the dorsal nerve, and between 10,000 and 20,000 specialized erotogenic nerve endings of several types. Together these detect subtle changes in motion and temperature, as well as fine gradations in texture.
[1. R. K. Winkelmann, "The Erogenous Zones: Their Nerve Supply and Its Significance," Proceedings of the Staff Meetings of the Mayo Clinic 34 (1959): 39-47. 2. R. K. Winkelmann, "The Cutaneous Innervation of Human Newborn Prepuce," Journal of Investigative Dermatology 26 (1956): 53-67.]

The Frenulum
The highly erogenous V-shaped web-like tethering structure on the underside of the glans; frequently amputated along with the foreskin, or severed, either of which destroys its function and potential for pleasure.
[1. Cold, C, Taylor, J, "The Prepuce," BJU International 83, Suppl. 1, (1999): 34-44. 2. Kaplan, G.W., "Complications of Circumcision," Urologic Clinics of North America 10, 1983.]

Muscle Sheath
Circumcision removes approximately half of the temperature-sensitive smooth muscle sheath which lies between the outer layer of skin and the corpus cavernosa. This is called the dartos fascia.
[Netter, F.H., "Atlas of Human Anatomy," Second Edition (Novartis, 1997): Plates 234, 329, 338, 354, 355.]
The Immunological Defense System
of the soft mucosa. This produces both plasma cells that secrete immunoglobulin antibodies and antibacterial and antiviral proteins such as the pathogen-killing enzyme lysozyme.
[1. A. Ahmed and A. W. Jones, "Apocrine Cystadenoma: A Report of Two Cases Occurring on the Prepuce," British Journal of Dermatology 81 (1969): 899-901. 2. P. J. Flower et al., "An Immunopathologic Study of the Bovine Prepuce," Veterinary Pathology 20 (1983):189-202.]
Lymphatic Vessels
the loss of which reduces the lymph flow within that part of the body's immune system.
[Netter, F.H., "Atlas of Human Anatomy," Second Edition (Novartis, 1997): plate 379.]
Oestrogen Receptors
The presence of estrogen receptors within the foreskin has only recently been discovered. Their purpose is not yet understood and needs further study.
[R. Hausmann et al., "The Forensic Value of the Immunohistochemical Detection of Oestrogen Receptors in Vaginal Epithelium," International Journal of Legal Medicine 109 (1996): 10-30.]

The Apocrine Glands
of the inner foreskin, which produce pheremones -nature's powerful, silent, invisible behavioural signals to potential sexual partners. The effect of their absence on human sexuality has never been studied.
[A. Ahmed and A. W. Jones, "Apocrine Cystadenoma: A Report of Two Cases Occurring on the Prepuce," British Journal of Dermatology 81 (1969): 899-901.]
Sebaceous Glands
which lubricate and moisturise the foreskin and glans, normally a protected and internal organ-like the tongue or vagina. Not all men have sebaceous glands on their inner foreskin.
[A. B. Hyman and M. H. Brownstein, "Tyson's Glands: Ectopic Sebaceous Glands and Papillomatosis Penis," Archives of Dermatology 99 (1969): 31-37.]
Langerhans Cells
Specialised epithelial Langerhans cells, a first line component of the body's immune system in a whole penis.
[G. N. Weiss et al., "The Distribution and Density of Langerhans Cells in the Human Prepuce: Site of a Diminished Immune Response?" Israel Journal of Medical Sciences 29 (1993): 42-43.]
Colouration
The natural coloration of the glans and inner foreskin (usually hidden and only visible to others when sexually aroused) is considerably more intense than the permanently exposed and keratinized coloration of a circumcised penis. The socio-biological function of this visual stimulus has never been studied.
The glans ranges from pink to red to dark purple among intact men of Northern European ancestry, and from pinkish to mahagony to dark brown among intact men of African and Asian descent. If circumcision is performed on an infant or young boy, the connective tissue which protectively fuses the foreskin and glans together is ripped apart. This leaves the glans raw and subject to infection, scarring, pitting, shrinkage, and eventual discoloration. Over a period of years the glans becomes keratinized, adding additional layers of tissue in order to adequately protect itself, which further contributes to discoloration.
[P. M. Fleiss, MD, MPH, "The Case Against Circumcision," Mothering: The Magazine of Natural Family Living (Winter 1997): 36-45.]

Penis Size Some of the penis length and circumference because its double-layered wrapping of loose and usually overhanging foreskin is now missing, making the circumcised penis truncated and thinner than it would have been if left intact.
An Australian survey in 1995 showed circumcised men to have erect penises an average of 8mm shorter than intact men.
[1. R. D. Talarico and J. E. Jasaitis, "Concealed Penis: A Complication of Neonatal Circumcision," Journal of Urology 110 (1973): 732-733. 2. Richters J, Gerofi J, Donovan B. Why do condoms break or slip off in use? An exploratory study. Int J STD AIDS. 1995; 6(1):11-8. ]
Blood Vessels
Several feet of blood vessels, including the frenular artery and branches of the dorsal artery are removed in circumcision. This loss of the rich vascularity interrupts normal flow to the shaft and glans of the penis, damaging the the natural function of the penis and altering its development. [1. H. C. Bazett et al., "Depth, Distribution and Probable Identification in the Prepuce of Sensory End-Organs Concerned in Sensations of Temperature and Touch; Thermometric Conductivity," Archives of Neurology and Psychiatry 27 (1932): 489-517.� 2. Netter, F.H., "Atlas of Human Anatomy," Second Edition (Novartis, 1997): plates 238, 239.]
Dorsal Nerves
The terminal branch of the pudendal nerve connects to the skin of the penis, the prepuce, the corpora cavernosa, and the glans. Destruction of these nerves is a rare but devastating complication of circumcision. If cut during circumcision, the top two-thirds of the penis will be almost completely without sensation. [1. Agur, A.M.R. ed., "Grant's Atlas of Anatomy," Ninth Edition (Williams and Wilkins, 1991): 188-190. 2. Netter, F.H., "Atlas of Human Anatomy," Second Edition (Novartis, 1997): plate 380, 387.]
Complications
Every year boys lose their entire penises from circumcision accidents and infection. They are then "sexually reassigned" by castration and "transgender surgery" and expected to live their lives as "females". [1. J. P. Gearhart and J. A. Rock, "Total Ablation of the Penis after Circumcision with Electrocautery: A Method of Management and Long-Term Followup," Journal of Urology 142 (1989):799-801. 2. M. Diamond and H. K. Sigmundson, "Sex Reassignment at Birth: Long-Term Review and Clinical Implications," Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine 151 (1997): 298-304.]

Death
Every year many boys lose their lives from the complications of circumcision, a fact the billion-dollar-a-year circumcision industry in the U.S. routinely obscures and ignores.
[1. G. W. Kaplan, "Complications of Circumcision," Urologic Clinics of North America 10 (1983): 543-549. 2. R. S. Thompson, "Routine Circumcision in the Newborn: An Opposing View," Journal of Family Practice 31 (1990): 189-196.]
 
one persons bad experience shouldn't be the reason to deprive others without consent of multiple good experiences...

I'm having trouble making sense of this, and you must be misunderstanding me or I must be misunderstanding you.

You do realize that we're talking about infants here, right? Circumcision at infancy? These "others" are infants, and they're incapable of making very many decisions for themselves. If you're suggesting that it's wrong to make decisions for an infant that may affect the rest of its life... then... well sweetheart, that's called parenting.

I have got to be misunderstanding you here because it's just too idiotic a thing to ever suggest; please, just please clarify this statement for me.
 
I'll chime in and just say what a lot of other people have said: a penis is a penis.

However, I have talked with a few guy friends about it. Only one is uncircumsized (he's also the biggest by a good 2.5") and says that he feels his enjoyment of sex might be so much less if he had been cut. He says the extra layer of skin makes sex that much more enjoyable for him, yet acts as a cover so he doesn't blow his load so early.

I guess I could compare it to the "hood" on a woman. It acts as a protection so you don't overload yourself so soon into it, yet also provides different levels of sexual pleasure. I, for example, have an "easy", "medium", and "extreme" mode. Rub the most covered area for a warm up and continual pleasure, the middle for intense pleasure and "extreme" is for a nice little jolt every once in a while.

Now, I understand that a guy has a lot more area that he can rub than a clitoris has. However, I can imagine that having foreskin would just make sex / masturbation more... interesting and fun, in a way. More ways to play. I can't imagine the "jewel" part of my clit being exposed completely every time I masturbated or had sex. I would never be able to orgasm properly!
 
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