Breaking the ice with a suspected H user

[wmabeta]

and yes rabbit i work in a restaurant. i find it really annoying that half the employees are on prescription opiates all the time but god forbid you mention dope

 

[oxytocin]

Maybe don't do this at all at this stage? If you don't share more than a sentence with each other, perhaps jumping straight into conversation about hard drug use is a bit too personal.

How about just trying to make friends with her first? Probably a bit more appropriate. Just because you may have heroin use in common, doesn't mean you two will click on any other level. I'd suss that out before divulging or trying to draw any personal information from her.

agree. if someone i just saw in passing at work just straight up started the first conversation they had with me about heroin i'd assume they were a narc

 

[Boupstarnm]

No. It's simple, casually mention vicodin or percocet. If she continues the conversation in that direction then roll with it. Wayyyy better to give off the vibe that you're an opiate noob than a fucking junkie.

Just mention a script or say you ran out of a script. That gives her an opening and makes her feel comfortable sharing. At a job I had a few years back this is exactly how I started doing pharms and heroin with all the girls that were far too good for me.

 

[LSDiesel]

Anyone else NOT want to make friends with another H user? Even when I was using, I wouldn't seek out "friends" or any other users. It was absolutely a private thing that I did all to myself. Anytime I brought someone in with me, it turned out bad. One time, girl ended up in detox, twice, then rehab, dunno how shes doing but we don't talk anymore because I couldn't stand to see her spiral down. Other times, with male friends, (I am a male), they would just not be able to handle the addiction, the sickness and their money before spiraling out of control. Not to say I could control it either, but I lasted a lot longer than anyone else I brought into my hell. I just stopped seeking out other people to do H with once I learned that it isn't a fun thing to do, it's a horrible lifestyle that I wouldn't want to push on anyone, let alone someone I would consider a friend

 

[shimazu]

^

OP said he knows the girl already uses, he just isnt sure how to talk about it since he wasnt told that by her.

 

[LilbabiC]

Ask her out for a cup of coffee. Get to know her a bit. I'm sure there is more to her than her drug use.

 

[spacejunk]

Anyone else NOT want to make friends with another H user? Even when I was using, I wouldn't seek out "friends" or any other users. It was absolutely a private thing that I did all to myself. Anytime I brought someone in with me, it turned out bad.

you don't mention your ROA, but if you were IVing heroin, this kind of thing is really not advisable. doing dope on your own is a recipe for things to "turn out bad".

i agree that if she's someone you're interested in getting to know, you should try getting to know her before you get too interested in her drug use, alluring as it may be...


also, i find everyone's association of 'the velvet underground' and 'heroin' kinda interesting. despite a few songs about smack on the first record, i always consider them a methedrine band. none of them had heroin habits, as far as i know - but lou certainly shot a lot of speed. i think it's a bit sad that everyone seems to see such a great band as synonymous with a drug that didn't really consume them (to my knowledge) like others did. johnny thunders and the heartbreakers, on the other hand...

 

[verso]

...but why do they have to cry? They could slap OP in the face, throw a drink at them, make an anvil fall atop their head, go on a rant, tell them to fuck off, OP could be totally WRONG ad just seeing what he wants to see, etc etc etc... just so many other possibilities.

They don't have to cry, but I was just providing one scenario, working under the assumption that the suspected user is, in fact, a user, and one who is not doing well at staying clean; and I guess that I just considered all of the possible outcomes to his calling this suspected user out -- anvils falling, the suspected user throwing a drink in his face -- and the one that made the most sense to me was the suspected user's becoming upset and, yes, crying (albeit an unlikely thing to occur at that exact moment)

Again, I was exaggerating somewhat by suggesting the suspected user would "burst out" into tears at that moment, but I don't think that crying is so outside the realm of possibility. Do you? It's like when people I haven't seen in a while approach me and ask how becoming a teacher is going for me. It's not going well, of course, but they don't know that, and so when I get back to my car or whatever... sometimes I'll think about it and have a good cry because it's something that I don't like talking about, something I don't like others talking to me about... but maybe I'm just full of hyperbole. lol

 

[LSDiesel]

you don't mention your ROA, but if you were IVing heroin, this kind of thing is really not advisable. doing dope on your own is a recipe for things to "turn out bad".

i agree that if she's someone you're interested in getting to know, you should try getting to know her before you get too interested in her drug use, alluring as it may be...
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I was IVing although I did switch it up when my arms got too rediculous looking

 

[1394]

By reading the title I thought this thread was about sharing meth with an H user.

There ya go, life is full of surprises.

 

[Rabidrabbit]

They don't have to cry, but I was just providing one scenario, working under the assumption that the suspected user is, in fact, a user, and one who is not doing well at staying clean; and I guess that I just considered all of the possible outcomes to his calling this suspected user out -- anvils falling, the suspected user throwing a drink in his face -- and the one that made the most sense to me was the suspected user's becoming upset and, yes, crying (albeit an unlikely thing to occur at that exact moment)

Again, I was exaggerating somewhat by suggesting the suspected user would "burst out" into tears at that moment, but I don't think that crying is so outside the realm of possibility. Do you? It's like when people I haven't seen in a while approach me and ask how becoming a teacher is going for me. It's not going well, of course, but they don't know that, and so when I get back to my car or whatever... sometimes I'll think about it and have a good cry because it's something that I don't like talking about, something I don't like others talking to me about... but maybe I'm just full of hyperbole. lol

You're right, I'm an insensitive jerk and joking when I should be serious.

You wanna be a teacher too? Every drug user I meet (including myself) wants to be a teacher. EDIT: Oh and practically every teacher I meet is a drug user. Maybe it's the 2 months summer vacation every year?

That's pretty awesome.

 

[verso]

^ I can't think of any better profession. To have that many new, malleable souls and minds in one room and to have their attention oh man it's a beautiful thing.

 

[Tryptamino]

^ I can't think of any better profession. To have that many new, malleable souls and minds in one room and to have their attention oh man it's a beautiful thing.

read that a few times and think
in a perfect world then there would be nothing wrong with being a teacher, but I've never seen a class pay attention to a teacher in my whole life, unless I had sold the students adderall beforehand. maybe I'm just biased against teachers and school in general cause i grew up in LAUSD schools.

 

[Seyer]

I wasnt even in the LAUSD, but I know its completely fucked there.

 

[uproarious]

this is a predatory thread and will only lead to negativity imo.

 

[verso]

read that a few times and think
in a perfect world then there would be nothing wrong with being a teacher, but I've never seen a class pay attention to a teacher in my whole life, unless I had sold the students adderall beforehand. maybe I'm just biased against teachers and school in general cause i grew up in LAUSD schools.

I don't mean to sound full of myself... but I can capture the attention of a roomful of high school students. (shrugs) I can, and I have, so I think that you've just had bad experiences... or I've just had good experiences.

EDIT: It's not that difficult, really. Just think back to when you were in school... were there any teachers who you listened to and respected and who you learned anything from? There has got to be one, right? If not, then you really did have a shit education. Anyway, just do what that teacher did... and I bet I know what that teacher did... that teacher appeared confident, expressed genuine interest in his students, may not have been the most organized but had an interesting idea, topic or theme in mind to discuss with the class... he may have taught a bit off-the-cuff, even. Am I right? There's a reason why you remember those teachers and, occasionally, remember those little nuggets of information they taught you.