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Its brown powder and when its white its powder too, I was always under the impression that powder=shit but since ive been around this guy I realized that I was very wrong. Still wouldnt buy coke as powder though unless I got a tester line first.

There is always good white rock around too but that guy takes forever and theres a middleman that expects compensation(too much at that, course I help em out somehow but im not giving someone half my shot when I only get $50 worth or even $100) so fuck em both, I hate greedy selfish fuckers. IMO if the dealer doesnt want more customers its up to him to hook his runners up, not me. If they want it their way then they dont get my money, simple.

Ash, pie sized slices sounds yummy! Knowing me though id end up with a huuuuge habit.
 
There is always good white rock around too but that guy takes forever and theres a middleman that expects compensation(too much at that, course I help em out somehow but im not giving someone half my shot when I only get $50 worth or even $100) so fuck em both, I hate greedy selfish fuckers. IMO if the dealer doesnt want more customers its up to him to hook his runners up, not me. If they want it their way then they dont get my money, simple.
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I hate this, this is why I never buy H locally. People cling to their dealer because they want to force you to go through them every time you want to score, then squeeze you to buy them a shot on top for hooking you up, and probably skim some off the top of your bag as well. They always feed the "nah my guy doesn't want any more customers" line or something similar, which imo is almost always just bullshit. What drug dealer doesn't want more customers? It's just a lie to preserve their position as middle man so they can try scab off you every time you buy.

Thank god for pharmaceuticals.
 
the_ketaman said:
Its brown powder and when its white its powder too, I was always under the impression that powder=shit but since ive been around this guy I realized that I was very wrong. Still wouldnt buy coke as powder though unless I got a tester line first.

Ash, pie sized slices sounds yummy! Knowing me though id end up with a huuuuge habit.
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It'd be nice for starters if we could afford a huge habit in this country. That white stuff looks like the kinda gear they get on the east coast of the USA. ECP they call it, East Coast Powder, as opposed to tar. Mixes up easy, draws up practically clear (maybe a slight yellow tinge, depending on how many bags you try and squeeze into a 1mL fit). I'm so jealous that for a gram (i.e. a bundle; 10-13) bags, they pay much less than us. If that was the case, I'd have a massive habit too! But alas. :)

I still stand by the fact that the best gear I've had has been brown, specifically rock. Though, gear is gear is gear. And on the same token I have overdosed on white powder just recently, so as we all know colour, smell, taste, appearance mean shit as per purity.
 
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when i was still in the game i was getting tan coloured powder, nicely rocked up. would absorb straight into the mix without any residue.

damn all these threads about gear and prescription pills is going to make this holiday break harder.
 
Crankinit said:
I hate this, this is why I never buy H locally. People cling to their dealer because they want to force you to go through them every time you want to score, then squeeze you to buy them a shot on top for hooking you up, and probably skim some off the top of your bag as well. They always feed the "nah my guy doesn't want any more customers" line or something similar, which imo is almost always just bullshit. What drug dealer doesn't want more customers? It's just a lie to preserve their position as middle man so they can try scab off you every time you buy.

Thank god for pharmaceuticals.
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Are you serious? The majority of people ive picked up from would rather have steady and safe clientele instead of getting calls from people they dont know.
 
^ yeah i tend to agree. most of the dealers i know (not talking about smack necessarily) tend to avoid 'randoms' and i haven't known too many dealers that want more customers. perhaps just the people i've associated with (not bigshot business-minded dealers) who hook up for their friends plus a small circle of clients (with overlap/ambiguity between the concepts of friends and clients).
i totally see where you're coming from crankinit, but i guess for some people middle-manning is a fairly low-stress scam to get a hit.
sucks if people expect too much, or tax what they get, but it makes a certain sense.
i don't mess with h much because i don't have any direct connection, and i don't want to get any of the users i know to go and score for me, as it seems like a predictable way to get ripped off. not complaining, mind you - i think it's better for me not to have an easy hook-up.
 
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^ yeah i tend to agree. most of the dealers i know (not talking about smack necessarily) tend to avoid 'randoms' and i haven't known too many dealers that want more customers. perhaps just the people i've associated with (not bigshot business-minded dealers) who hook up for their friends plus a small circle of clients (with overlap/ambiguity between the concepts of friends and clients).
i totally see where you're coming from crankinit, but i guess for some people middle-manning is a fairly low-stress scam to get a hit.
sucks if people expect too much, or tax what they get, but it makes a certain sense.
i don't mess with h much because i don't have any direct connection, and i don't want to get any of the users i know to go and score for me, as it seems like a predictable way to get ripped off. not complaining, mind you - i think it's better for me not to have an easy hook-up.
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I've found more or less the same situation when it comes to H dealers, except for a few nice hookups in the city I had, but they're gone now. I'm not sure they don't want new clientele. It's just junkies are just so protective of their dealer's number, its like trying to squeeze blood out of a stone. Usually costs a cap if ya get on every time!

That's around here anyway, I know in Sydney I usually get the number after shouting the person, that knows the supplier, a tickle.

Stay safe friends, I OD'd last Tuesday off a pretty standard sized shot based upon my tolerance, .250mg IV. No benzos, diphen, alcohol, etc. Just really nice dope. :)

A.
 
My friend turned up just as i was writing this =D . He's so good, always quick, always quality stuff, usually polite( socially sometimes he's a bit of an ass but its kind of understandable with the people he has to deal with) and he actually cares about his customers. It was pure luck that I met him.

Bit of a mini-trip report kind of-
As others have said most of the dealers around here stick to a certain few customers and thats it, I knew my current guys girlfriend at the time and she got me on to him, so a very lucky coincidence. At the time I was terrified he'd think we were hooking up. Once years ago she called me late at night and asked me to take her $100 to buy back a few of the deals she was supposed to sell(she was meant to be cutting down, somewhat by force) and say it was for me and she would give me half. I got there and tried texting her but after multiple attempts there was still no answer. I ended up venturing just around the side, not into the backyard or anything where I saw the side glass-sliding door was open where I could clearly see her. She'd obviously already had it so I had to get her up from next to her boyfriend who was sleeping less than a metre away on the couch FACING ME! All he had to do was open his eyes :( Luckily I found out later he'd taken a lot of xanax and heroin and was deeply asleep. But this guy was crazy with guns and everything. God this girl was in such a deep nod and there were a few others in the room in similar states. I didnt know what to do, so I whispered her name, nothing, got a bit louder and still nothing. Man it doesnt sound like much but at the time I was so scared someone would wake up and realize something was up like I was trying to steal dope or fucking around with his missus. Eventually after yelling her name a few times she woke up, no one else did, I reckon thats karma if you will coz lets face it with that many others in the room I was very lucky. If someone had have woken up and saw me I could have got away at first but not for long im sure, this guy knew everyone. Anyway she comes out and says she's been fighting with the BF and gives me a big hug JUST OUTSIDE THE DOOR! At this point I im losing it with fear and she see's this(after a 10 minute hug that felt like half an hour) and apologises, gives me the dope and off I go. Never letting myself get into a situation like that again, the only reason I did it was because I genuinely felt like she was a good person and a friend going through a hard time but I dont think I could do it again. It sounds like nothing but scared me so much. Dont deal with people like that anymore. The things people will do for drugs 8)

Back to the Brown-White discussion. I stand by my comment of the brown stuff having a stronger rush. I just had to sit down just after a shot(a point at that! I usually can handle 0.35g) which ive never had to do before. The rush is amazing, the white stuff NEVER makes me rush this hard! Hmmm interesting hey? This stuff comes in waves where ill almost feel sober and the next ill be pretty high whereas the white stuff has a consistent high, crazy how two forms of the same drug can feel so different.

I put a few drops of micron filtered white vinegar(you shouldnt use vinegar at all, its bad for your veins especially) into it as the guys at the NSP told me to put a tiny bit of ascorbic acid and heat and it would make the brown gear dissolve much easier as its probably base. Now a question for all of you, is all(or 90%) of brown gear freebase or is it common to get brown #4? As when I put the vinegar with it it dissolved pretty much just as easy(or as hard should I say) as last time when I didnt add acid just heat. Im confused 8(
 
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the_ketaman said:
I hate being somewhere while your sick and you see someone drive past that you KNOW sells but its not like you can just go up and say "Hey I know you sell heroin can I be one of your custies?" lol :X I swear that guy has a house very, very close to me and its such a temptation but theres nothing I can do.
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I can relate to that so much. I know where about 4 of them live, but like you said you can hardly just go knock on their door. Well, I suppose you could...

Dont mean to be selfish but I wouldnt have had a dealer anymore had be died so I hope the silly cunt doesnt do it again, plus he's a good guy but I said that
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Haha! ;)

I stand by my comment of the brown stuff having a stronger rush. I just had to sit down just after that shot(a point at that! I usually can handle 0.35g) which ive never had to do before. The rush starts as a warm, tingling feeling("kind of" like IV morph pins n needles) coming from my thigh's/upper legs and works its way up to my head, dont know why it starts from my legs I would have thought it'd be my chest or head as thats a lot closer to where the drug would be hitting first but no its my legs, Hmmmm. The white stuff NEVER makes me rush this hard.
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I've found the exact same thing, like I was telling you the other night. The brown stuff I've had has always been more "morphy" and "heavy", though I've had decent brown stuff that has had long legs. I usually find the white stuff to be lacking in legs. I've always thought they felt like two different kinds of heroin, even though they're both (presumably) diacetylmorphine HCl, which is a hydrochloric salt (i.e. #4) One seems to have a strong almost immediate rush whereas the white stuff seems to slowly creep up on you over the course of a few minutes and sort of wash over you. Also, I find it hard, almost impossible, to achieve a nod without the assistance of some benzos, preferably alprazolam, diazepam or clonazepam. I've also mixed the anti-histamines; diphenhydramine (Unisom Sleep Gels) and promethazine (Phenergan) with some success as opiate potentiators. The more I tend to have of the white powder, the more nauseous and physically sick I become. Vomiting and headaches. Rather than getting more and more stoned.

As there is no way to know how the smack was synthesized, it's impossible to say for certain why the effects are so different. The first thing that pops to mind is if was converted from morphine to diacetylmorphine using acetic anyhydride, it is never a complete reaction that yields just diacetylmorphine. Left over post reaction there would be unreacted morphine, 6-monoacetylmorphine (6-MAM) - which is widely contributed to the rush that heroin is so famous for, as it crosses the blood brain barrier, also 3-monoacetylmorphine (3-MAM) which I believe is inactive but gets metabolized into morphine. Perhaps the 6-MAM is responsible for the stronger rush with the brown gear, and it sounds like there's unreacted morphine in there too based upon the "pins and needles" rush that you mentioned.

Also I put a few drops of micron filtered white vinegar into it as the guys at the NSP told me to put a tiny bit of ascorbic acid and heat and it would make the brown gear dissolve much easier as its probably base. Now a question for all of you, is all(or 90%) of brown gear freebase or is it common to get brown #4? As when I put the vinegar with it it dissolved pretty much just as easy(or hard should I say) as last time when I didnt add acid just heat. Im confused 8(
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There's no need to add citric acid, ascorbic acid or white vinegar to the gear we get in Australia and certainly no lemon juice! Not sure injecting white vinegar is a great idea with regards to vein health. It's all #4 over here, unlike the #3 that is prevalent in the UK/Europe. You shouldn't even need heat as a matter of fact, though sometimes just a little bit of heat helps it dissolve easier, especially if it's a rock hard. For the most part though you're just dissolving unwanted cuts into the mix. Heroin is extremely water soluble and should pretty much just dissolve into the mix instantly. I've never come across #3 over here, but I couldn't say for certain it isn't available in this country - just not in large amounts. From memory they have citric acid and/or ascorbic acid available at the MSIC in the Cross, though I could be wrong - that would suggest that the freebase is around if I'm correct about the MSIC stocking it. Haven't come across it in any NSPs though.

Speaking of which, my local NSP has stopped providing Hirudoid cream (for treatment of vein inflammation, bruising, scarring, etc.) and believe it or not tourniquets due to a lack of funding. Personally, I'm disgusted as I pride myself on cleanliness when it comes to injecting and would always apply Hirudoid cream after a shot and for the days following to encourage healing. It really does a great job of lessening bruising and minimizing any scars. For those of you that haven't heard of it, it is still available at any pharmacy. From memory, it's about $7-$14 depending on whether you get the little tube or the large one.

Ash. <3
 
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gimpan said:
Are you serious? The majority of people ive picked up from would rather have steady and safe clientele instead of getting calls from people they dont know.
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Obviously I don't mean randoms just coming up and asking for drugs, but if someone who's already a trustworthy regular can vouch for them and make an introduction, most dealers would take a customer on. Why not? It's more money, unless that dealer literally has more customers than he can see in a day, which I doubt is the case for 99% of dealers.

I've found the exact same thing, like I was telling you the other night. The brown stuff I've had has always been more "morphy" and "heavy", though I've had decent brown stuff that has had long legs. I usually find the white stuff to be lacking in legs. I've always thought they felt like two different kinds of heroin, even though they're both (presumably) diacetylmorphine HCl, which is a hydrochloric salt (i.e. #4) One seems to have a strong almost immediate rush whereas the white stuff seems to slowly creep up on you over the course of a few minutes and sort of wash over you. Also, I find it hard, almost impossible, to achieve a nod without the assistance of some benzos, preferably alprazolam, diazepam or clonazepam. I've also mixed the anti-histamines; diphenhydramine (Unisom Sleep Gels) and promethazine (Phenergan) with some success as opiate potentiators. The more I tend to have of the white powder, the more nauseous and physically sick I become. Vomiting and headaches. Rather than getting more and more stoned.

As there is no way to know how the smack was synthesized, it's impossible to say for certain why the effects are so different. The first thing that pops to mind is if was converted from morphine to diacetylmorphine using acetic anyhydride, it is never a complete reaction that yields just diacetylmorphine. Left over post reaction there would be unreacted morphine, 6-monoacetylmorphine (6-MAM) - which is widely contributed to the rush that heroin is so famous for, as it crosses the blood brain barrier, also 3-monoacetylmorphine (3-MAM) which I believe is inactive but gets metabolized into morphine. Perhaps the 6-MAM is responsible for the stronger rush with the brown gear, and it sounds like there's unreacted morphine in there too based upon the "pins and needles" rush that you mentioned.
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Another thing to bear in mind is cuts. Not all cuts are inactive, I'm not sure about here in Australia but in America for example, I know it's common in some cities for dealers to cut their heroin with anti-histamines.
 
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Crankinit said:
Another thing to bear in mind is cuts. Not all cuts are inactive, I'm not sure about here in Australia but in America for example, I know it's common in some cities for dealers to cut their heroin with anti-histamines.
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Yeah, I've thought about that. In Chicago they cut the "raw" with the anti-histamine diphenhydramine, which obviously potentiates the effects of the heroin. But it's not like that. I mean, if you mix two different batches of heroin, it's like you get the best of both worlds, different effects from each batch combined. Which begs the question, if diacetylmorphine is diacetylmorphine, as far as I know from a chemistry perspective purity doesn't equate to a "better" product, the molecule is still diamorphine, so you just need to inject double the amount of 30% pure gear to achieve the same result as a single dose of smack that is 60% pure. I find if you mix two different batches of heroin together, they kind of "synergize" and you get different effects from each batch but combined.

I hope that makes sense, I think there was some discussion about purity in The Methamphetamine Discussion Thread, which came to a similar conclusion. Let me see if I can't dig it up.

Ash. <3
 
Next time im around my friend ill casually ask him what kind of cuts he's seen people use and likely that will come out as the cut he or his dealers uses. I didnt think it was cut by the low rank dealer before but now im thinking twice as the brown gear had white speckles visible when the water was added and the white speckles didnt dissolve and its usually white gear so 2+2? It would be interesting to know for sure what at least one of the cuts are.

Pretty sure this brown stuff should be micron filtered because it looks just like dark, dirty water and is pretty hard to mix up. The white stuff mixes up clear like Ash said but the Brown stuff turns the cotton dark brown and it just looks a bit yuck but it feels good and I trust my friend. The brown stuff had a different smell too, I could never relate when people said gear smells like vinegar but this brown stuff smelled like vinegar as well as something organic that ive smelled before. The white stuff had a very faint smell that I couldnt quite put my finger on but definitely not vinegar.

I usually have 50-75mg of Phenergan/Promethazine with my gear to potentiate it. Do most anti-histamines have cross tolerance? If its worth changing over to Diphenhydramine then I might because im not getting much from the Prometh anymore. Is Seroquel cross tolerant with Promethazine or Diphenhydramine? I take 100mg Seroquel every night for sleep and I know its an Anti-Histamine at doses below 400mg for the average person. Above that it becomes an anti-psychotic but on to the point, I wonder could that be why im not feeling the potentiation so much anymore from the prometh or is it just prometh tolerance? I have used it for awhile but only 1-2 times a week.
BTW Seroquel isnt much of a good potentiator for opiates or opiods, kind of kills the high for me.
 
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I usually have 50-75mg of Phenergan/Promethazine with my gear to potentiate it. Do most anti-histamines have cross tolerance? If its worth changing over to Diphenhydramine then I might because im not getting much from the Prometh anymore. Is Seroquel cross tolerant with Promethazine or Diphenhydramine? I take 100mg Seroquel every night for sleep and I know its an Anti-Histamine at doses below 400mg for the average person. Above that it becomes an anti-psychotic but on to the point, I wonder could that be why im not feeling the potentiation so much anymore from the prometh or is it just prometh tolerance? I have used it for awhile but only 1-2 times a week.
BTW Seroquel isnt much of a good potentiator for opiates or opiods, kind of kills the high for me.
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Yeah, I gave up on promethazine pretty quickly, don't think it's a tolerance per se, just a familiarity with the effects if that makes sense. 150mg+ of promethazine wouldn't make any difference and I used to eat them before a blat. If I actually bother nowadays, I'll use Unisom sleep gels (diphenhydramine), and mix some of the gel from the caps in with the shot, make sure to use enough water so it's relatively dilute, micron filter of course, and it definitely does something. Not sure how safe the gel is to inject as a matter of fact. :) Orally, I'm sure they'd act the same. Mind you, diphen does have a bit of a rush, I have heard that from a few people and experienced it myself. DPH does much more than promethazine IME. Just don't take too much diphen, it has sent me delirious before, but that was after a crazy amount of Unisom. Also I've never tried Dozile (doxylamine) before, as the general consensus seems to be diphenhydramine for the win!

Ash. <3
 
I usually use dimenhydrinate (travacalm) with opies and I do think I've developed a tolerance to it. Anti histamines don't make me drowsy at all anymore whilst when I first started they used to make me very sleepy. I do believe I've noticed somewhat of a cross tolerance too, I alternate with doxylamine and notice that if I've been using anti histamines daily, it works far less well, even if I've been using dimenhydrinate exclusively for a few weeks.

I don't use promethazine so much because of its inhibition of codeine, so I don't have as much experience as to what extent there is a cross tolerance with it and the other anti histamines.

Glad you pulled through your OD Ashley. Did you require medical intervention? Stay safe <3
 
Thanks footscrazy, yeah I pulled through it no worries. The friend's house I was out called an ambulance and spent a good 15 minutes doing the usual things to try and rouse me. Eventually I came too on my own, got up went to the toilet and when I came back out into the living room the ambos had arrived. Apparently, I had a seizure (tonic clonic / grand mal style) and I've only ever had seizures as a direct result of benzo withdrawal, which I found strange. But all sorts of weird things can happen with mild heroin overdoses, still freaks me out though - being a hypochondriac doesn't help. :)

Have you or anyone else injected diphenhydramine in the form of the Unisom Sleep Gels? I was just reading the consumer medicine information PDF for them and it says aside from the active ingredient diphenhydramine hydrochloride 50mg, each gel capsule also contains: macrogol 400, glycerol, gelatin, sorbitol, water – purified, Brilliant Blue FCF, Opacode WB Monogramming, Ink NSP-78-18022 White.

Though, obviously not ideal substances to be mainlining. Are any of those particularly nasty? IV Heroin + DPH is really the only anti-histamine I get any great success from. Admittedly I haven't tried many, but nevertheless.. :P
 
hey guys n gals

im going to be plugging some smack soon and got a couple of things to ask....when i do H i snort 20mg at a time and this dealer has also said 20mg up the noase.how much should i use if im plugging?i know the dose will be lowerd im just not sure by how much by.also is it more of a rush than snorting?and how long does it take for me to begin to feel the effects?
 
Good news in perth, I picked up a half weight of some very decent shit, first time in quite awhile I havnt wasted alot of coin on poo.

So I think i'll try hoard this shit for a while and save it for when I want to treat myself.
 
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