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Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'

A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'

I've seen this happen on loads of bodybuilding forums trying to sell bumph products.

I don't think there are many fake accounts on bluelight concidering they get pulled up quickly. On other forums I've seen there are certainly lots of troll accounts, usually to serve the end purpose of making money.
 
Sounds familiar.

Our governments even smarter. They tell you where and when you can protest so you can get it out of your system, then don't do a thing about it. Protesting isn't really the way to get shit done in what is meant to be a democracy... Sadly democracies have too many competing interests to address most concerns. Like if I look out my window now I see what is the shittest rainiest weirdest summer on record, and have done for the last decade, but that won't be addressed because the economy takes primacy.

I dunno, maybe I just feel like democracy doesn't work because a lot of the things I want like drug legalisation aren't wanted by the people who actually bother to vote. One of these days i'll stop drawing dicks all over my voting card, honest :sus:
 
what exactly is it you want the government to do about this?

I was referring to the fact that I believe (as i'm sure most of you Guardian lovers do) that this is just an indication that climate change has begun. We will look back at this last decade of persistently weird weather and think "what the fuck, it was so obvious". The government doesn't do anything about it because it isn't a key voting issue, and it's an issue that's just going to get gradually worse. By the time it's an issue people have in their minds when they go to the polls we'll probably be getting to the polling station in a scuba diving suit or some shit.
 
I think it's been a voting issue for a while. The thing is that voting issues don't drive policy decisions. Every election, the parties set out their "stall" of promises and after every election the stall is wiped clean and replaced with the interests of money. Politics doesn't drive policy.

The same is true of politics on the international stage, all these environmental summits and nothing is ever agreed because different states see their economic positions challenged by ecological interests. The economic goals always win out.

You're probably too young to have noticed this, MSB.
 
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I think it's been a voting issue for a while. The thing is that voting issues don't drive policy decisions. Every election, the parties set out their "stall" of promises and after every election the stall is wiped clean and replaced with the interests of money. Politics doesn't drive policy.

I think it's been something they've added into their manifestos as a side issue just to say 'yeah we ticked that box', but i'm pretty sure that I read an opinion poll on people's motivations to vote that said the economy was the number one issue people vote on, followed by key social issues like policing, the nhs and education. Very few people went out and placed their vote based on anything to do with Green issues, that's why the Green party has such a pitiful amount of seats.

I'm not a particular fan of democracy to be honest. It's the best of a bad bunch, but people are way too fickle and their priorities are so inconsistent from one day to the next. Then you have to factor in the fact that a pretty large percentage of people vote for the party they think is going to win without even knowing it because they don't want to feel like they lost, or they'll vote against Ed Milliban because he's an ugly plastacine character etc. tl;dr people too stupid for democracy.
 
You're probably too young to have noticed this, MSB.

O I remember kyoto and all that malarky, and every one since. As you might of guessed until really quite recently I wasn't 100% convinced in the global warming/climate change phenomenon. I kept saying 'yeah its just a coincidence that we had record rainful in July this year, at some point a record has to be set', but when it happens every year there is no denying the shift. I know why they don't do anything about it... it's basic game theory. If you're the first super power to start hurting your economy for the future of your children, some other power will rise up and fuck you over. It's way too easy for them to just sign an accord promising a load of stuff, then not do it any way, because there's no accountability. If you say "yeah by 2050, no one in Britain is even going to use lightbulbs", it doesn't matter if you don't do f/a about it because it will be a politician 3 generations down the line who has to explain the failure, and who will in turn just repromise.
 
I don't think people are too stupid for democracy, I think they're too busy for it. Or, too removed from it.
 
I don't think people are too stupid for democracy, I think they're too busy for it. Or, too removed from it.

The majority of the British population still seem to think that if you put people who use and sell drugs in prison for longer and longer terms, eventually drugs will mysteriously disappear and no one will want to or dare take them. Are you sure you don't want to revise your view that people aren't too stupid for democracy?
 
The majority of the British population still seem to think that if you put people who use and sell drugs in prison for longer and longer terms, eventually drugs will mysteriously disappear and no one will want to or dare take them. Are you sure you don't want to revise your view that people aren't too stupid for democracy?

That's not because they're stupid, though, is it? They have the same dense squishy grey matter in their heads that you do. What's wrong is the neural connections which reside within it. How did they get to be the way they are, and how might we more effectively direct those valuable neural networks?
 
That's not because they're stupid, though, is it? They have the same dense squishy grey matter in their heads that you do. What's wrong is the neural connections which reside within it. How did they get to be the way they are, and how might we more effectively direct those valuable neural networks?

Stupid might have been a bit strong. Shall we say, less intelligent? An IQ of perhaps 80-105? I'll be honest, I know no truly clever people who believe prohibition will work. I know of some clever people who will say that it will work because their position of power would become untenable if they went against the general moron consensus, but that's about it. I honestly think it almost purely comes down to intelligence. It takes intelligence to think beyond very primitive cause and effect, and to take in more than one factor at once. Those Sun articles aren't written for every person in the UK to read them and think 'hahahaha, what a load of bollocks', they're written because 90% of their readership will read it and say 'derp, drugs must be really bad if dat happend'.

How can we rewire their brains so they can step back and see the bigger picture? I don't know how to flip the switch, I just know that for the majority it hasn't been switched. I don't know if it's genetics or environment or what...
 
There is no switch, it's not the easy.

How do you see the human brain, MSB? I see it as a memory-making, decision-making system. Decisions are made based on past experience. Intelligent people make intelligent decisions because they have suitable past experience. Sure there are genetic differences which make some people smarter than others but I think by and large it's all about past experience.
 
There is no switch, it's not the easy.

How do you see the human brain, MSB? I see it as a memory-making, decision-making system. Decisions are made based on past experience. Intelligent people make intelligent decisions because they have suitable past experience. Sure there are genetic differences which make some people smarter than others but I think by and large it's all about past experience.

The switch I talk of, is the switch of independent logical thought. This switch is engrained from a very young age in children. I have been reading quite a bit about it recently, and apparently by the time you're capable of making yourself a sandwich you're set. Let me give you a few examples in the differences which result in marked intellectual differences between classes and people in general:

- In a typical hour, parents from a professional background spend twice as much time interacting with their young children than those on welfare (this is American based by the way)
- Children hear 2100 words per hour in a professional household, 1200 in a working class household, and just 600 in a welfare household
- By age 4 a child born in a welfare dependent family will have heard upto 13 million words less than a child from a working class background
- Professional parents give children feedback such as praise more than 30 times per hour, twice more than working class parents, and five times more than welfare parents
- Children from welfare dependent families are twice as likely to have a scolding for their behaviour than they are to get praise for good behaviour

Working class parents tend to train their children in obedience as a life skill to get on in the world, whereas middle class parents tend to teach their children independent thought as a method of solving problems and surviving in life. Unquestioning obedient people, who can't help but be that because they are above the age of 4, can't help but pass that onto their children. There is nothing we can do to fix this. You can't force independent thought onto people who don't possess it, any more than you can make people who aren't particularly intelligent into geniuses.

Now, let's consider our population structure. I would estimate that even though wealth has increased rather dramatically in recent years in this country and many people now consider themselves middle class, this country is in fact still working class or benefit dependent by a fairly large majority. What can we really do to get the majority of children in this country out of the trap that has been laid for them before they were even born? High quality language skills are the fundamental foundation to better linguistics, higher thought, and a greater degree of independent thought. I don't have the answer... Even if we schooled these children for 12 hours a day, they'd still go home to different families who would instil different values wouldn't they? I mean, in one sociological study my wife showed me, there were quite a few families who had been dependent on welfare for generations who actively mocked their children for using 'big' words that they'd accidently picked up from their baby sitter TVs.

I am at a loss... perhaps you have the answer?
 
Interesting stuff MSB. Where does this age 4 stuff come from? My only guess at the answer is that child rearing should be the responsibility of the community, not of "families". Unfortunately the community is a shadow of it's former self. (By this I mean, there used to the idea of the extended family, and before that the clan or tribe. Now we have nuclear families.)
 
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